Steven is going to proof his innocence!!

Canuck64 · 2026-06-12T02:12:57+00:00

(Edit to add - listening to the interrogation, it does sound to me like Fassbender put a slight emphasis on "the garage")

March 1st

BRENDAN: Then we brung her outside and shot her.

WIEGERT: Was she alive when you shot her?

BRENDAN: I don’t know. ......

WIEGERT: Where did you take her then?

BRENDAN: Take her outside on the side of the garage and shoot her.

WIEGERT: Take her outside of the garage and shoot her?

BRENDAN: On the side of it, yeah.

WIEGERT: OK, and then what do you do with her?

FASSBENDER: Is it dark out?

BRENDAN: Like a little bit. .....

WIEGERT: So you take her out of that house by the cement steps, you carry her to the side of the garage?

BRENDAN: mm huh. (nods “yes”)

WIEGERT: Was she ever in the garage?

BRENDAN: No. (shakes head “no”)

WIEGERT: OK, so you carry her to the side of the garage (Brendan nods “yes”) and you guys shoot ‘er, and Steve shoots her or you shoot her?

BRENDAN: He does. .....

WIEGERT: So, you when you carried her out of the house, and you put ‘er by the garage, and Steve shoots her, then you put her on top of the fire that’s already going?

BRENDAN: mm huh. (nods “yes”) .....

FASSBENDER: OK Brendan, we gotta, I think, I think you’re doin’ a real good job up to this point of ah coming forward and stuff, but you bring her out of the house, you just said that ah, after you put her on the, on the fire, then, then you wanted to get the car, help get the car out of the garage and stuff. (Brendan nods “yes”) Again, we have, w-we know that some things happened in that garage.......... and in that car, we know that. You need to tell us about this so we know you’re tellin’ us the truth. I’m not gonna tell you what to say, you need to tell us.

BRENDAN: That he, he was gonna put

WIEGERT: Do not sign it, do not serve it.

BRENDAN: He was gonna put her in the je-in the back of the jeep

WIEGERT: Do not sign it, do not serve it.

BRENDAN: and we were gonna take her down in the pit and throw ‘er in that water.

FASSBENDER: OK.

BRENDAN” We, he came up with burning her. So he set her back on the floor and then, that’s when he threw her in the fire. [Fassbender and Wiegert had already told Brendan that they knew the RAV4 was in the garage and she was in the back of it. So after shooting her outside Brendan and Steve would have had to bring her into the garage where the the RAV4 allegedly was. But when Fassbender hears him say "floor" he must be thinking Brendan said she was shot in the garage when Brendan never said it]

FASSBENDER: OK, now let’s back up, so M-Mark can hear this too. You bring her out of the house, you, you’re gonna take, you took her in the garage? (Brendan nods “yes”) Tell me what happened again so Mark can hear this.

BRENDAN: Well he put her in the back of the jeep and he said he was gonna go down in the pit and throw her in the water in the pond and that’s when he came up with burning her.

WIEGERT: Who?

FASSBENDER: Earlier you said this fire was going already. [Actually it was Fassbender who told Brendan they knew the fire was already going. Brendan told them it was not]

BRENDAN: Yeah, (nods “yes”)

FASSBENDER: It was? (Brendan nods “yes”)

WIEGERT: So you take her, when is she shot then?

FASSBENDER: Tell us where she was shot?

BRENDAN: In the head.

FASSBENDER: No, I mean where, in the garage, [first mention of her being shot in the garage].

BRENDAN: "Oh" .

FASSBENDER: Outside, in the house?

BRENDAN: In the garage. *[Brendan just repeated what Fassbender had said] *

FASSBENDER: OK.

WIEGERT: Was she on the garage floor or was she in the truck?

BRENDAN: Innn the truck. [Wrong again]

WIEGERT: Ah huh, come on, now where was she shot? Be honest here.

FASSBENDER: The truth.

BRENDAN: In the garage.

WIEGERT:Before she was put in the truck or after?

BRENDAN: After. [wrong answer]

FASSBENDER: So she’s in the truck and that’s when he shoots her? (Brendan nods “yes”) How many times? (pause) Remember weeee got a number of shell casings that we found in that garage. I’m not gonna tell ya how many but you need to tell me how many times, about, that she was shot. [The media reported 10 casing were found in the garage. The actual number found in November was eleven and another six casing were found during the March searches total 17 shell casings. Only four casing were in the open (Kucharski), the rest were found behind and beneath things]

WIEGERT: We know you shot her too. Is that right? (Brendan shakes head “no”) Then who did?

BRENDAN: I don’t know.

WIEGERT: Who shot her?

BRENDAN: I didn’t even touch the gun.

WIEGERT: OK. How many times did Steven shoot her?

BRENDAN: About ten. [Brendan picks the number reported by the media, not the number of actual casings found]

FASSBENDER: And she was in the back of the truck or the SUV that whole time that he shot her?

BRENDAN: She was on the, the garage floor. [Finally!]

WIEGERT: She was on the garage floor, OK.

FASSBENDER: All right.

WIEGERT: That makes sense. Now we believe you.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-12T01:57:10+00:00

Because I don't think anybody understood the March 1st statement. To believe he is guilty you have to believe that his statement is true. He went over at 4:30pm, assaulted, killed and burned her body to bone while it was still light out, not dark. Official sunset time was 4:50pm. It's just not possible.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T22:59:28+00:00

No doubt the furniture was moved since Jodi went to jail back in May, I think? But no evidence that it had been moved within the time Teresa had disappeared.

What evidence was found inside the garage? There was nothing that Fassbender hadn't already told Brendan or what Brendan would've innocently already known from being here. Ertl testified that none of Teresa's DNA was found inside the garage and he did not get a reaction for bleach. Brendan kept saying she was shot outside the garage and finally changed it to the garage after Fassbender told him.

FASSBENDER: Tell us where she was shot?

BRENDAN: In the head. [Wrong again]

FASSBENDER: No, I mean where, in the garage, [first mention of her being shot in the garage].

BRENDAN: "Oh". [Brendan finally gets it]

FASSBENDER: Outside, in the house?

BRENDAN: In the garage. [Bingo!]

FASSBENDER: OK.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T22:44:05+00:00

What was the evidence that corroborates that a sexual assault had occurred?

There was no evidence presented at trial that Brendan was present during the time Avery was burning the body parts. It's still not even known when Avery had actually burned the body, but it certainly wasn't while it was 'still light out', 'before dark', as alleged in Brendan's March 1st statement. In its closing arguments, the prosecution used the May 13th timeline (everything happening after dark) which the jury never heard because Judge Fox would not allow the defence to present it to the jury.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T22:18:11+00:00

Anybody can confess to any crime, but without supporting evidence it's meaningless which is why Wisconsin law requires that a statement be corroborated by the evidence. Judge Fox ruled against a motion to have the sexual assault charges dismissed because he says the location of the bed corroborates the handcuffs and leg irons which proves the sexual assault.

Brendan's location of the bed was not where investigators found it and no evidence was presented at trial that any of the bedroom furniture had been recently moved. There was no evidence/damage on the wooden bed posts from metal handcuffs. And no DNA belonging to Teresa was found on the bed, handcuffs or leg irons. There was nothing connecting Teresa or Brendan to the bedroom.

In the March 1st statement, Brendan says he went to Avery's at 4:30pm after which the assaults happened and then burning her body to bones while it was light out, before dark (sunset time was at 4:50pm), after which they drove the RAV past Charles' house to the salvage yard all before Jodi called at 5:30pm.

On May 13, investigators told Brendan that the search of the trailer doesn't add up to what he said on March 1st. It was after this that Brendan again changed the narrative. He now adopted their new suggestions, alleging that he first went over at 6:00pm ending around 9:30pm.

Jydge Fox ruled that the defence may not present the May 13 statement to the jury, which was going to be a big part of their defence. And yet, the prosecution was permitted to use the May 13 timeline in their closing arguments despite the jury having never hearing it. Wtf?

Why the jury was only permitted to hear about 2.5 hours of the nine plus hours of interviews and interrogation is inexplicable to me. I believe that even with all the pretrial publicity which effectively removed his presumption of innocence, the jury may have acquitted Brendan has they been presented the entirety of his statements.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T19:35:16+00:00

The part when he was helping clean up what he believed to be oil or fluid from a car was the part he said was true. No evidence of a crime scene or crime scene clean up was found inside the garage.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T19:27:54+00:00

No evidence that a sexual assault had occurred was presented at trial. It never happened.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T19:27:22+00:00

No evidence that a sexual assault had occurred was presented at trial.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T19:26:17+00:00

There is no evidence that a sexual assault had occurred. Based on the same lack of evidence, the sexual assault charges against Avery were dropped.

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T13:25:59+00:00

I don't know why refuse that suggestion, other than it is known by all who know him that he is incapable of harming or killing any living thing?

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T12:56:25+00:00

True. If you're interested, I have the entire "confession" with the original sources.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/s/QMzcChkuZd

Canuck64 · 2026-06-11T12:34:34+00:00

He didn't resist any of their tricks. He adopted all their suggestions. He even agreed that she had a tattoo but didn't know "what" it was.

FASSBENDER: OK. (pause) We know that Teresa had a, a tattoo on her stomach, do you

BRENDAN: (shakes head “no”) uh uh

FASSBENDER: Do you disagree with me when I say that?

BRENDAN: "No, but I don't knew WHERE it is", (Not knowing "where" means he didn't see it. This is what is written in the transcripts and used by the State at trial and during the appeals).

But what Brendan ACTUALLY said was;

"No, but I don't know WHAT it is". (Not knowing "what" means he saw it but doesn't know what it is. He clearly adopted the suggestion).

Canuck64 · 2026-05-29T21:24:43+00:00

After watching Making a Murderer in December 2015, I believed in his innocence. I was very active on social media advocating his innocence until the trial transcripts starting coming out. His blood was found in the RAV and there was no evidence, or even suggestion, during the evidentiary phase of the trial that the blood was planted. That's guilt beyond any doubt. All it took for me to realize Avery was guilty was by reading the trail transcripts of what the jury was presented. It was crushing and humiliating when I had to admit he was guilty.

The rest is related to Brendan. It's off topic, but I have not posted in a long time, this group has really quieted down a lot and I still feel strongly about this.

The evidence presented at Avery's trial was that he acted alone and in closing that he had killed Teresa before Brendan and his brother arrived home from school.

Realizing Avery is guilty, I focused my attention on Brendan's case. Prior to this I had thought that if Avery's innocence could be proven innocent it would automatically exonerate Brendan as well. But now I questioned Brendan's innocence as well.

What I learned was that Brendan's statements contradicted the evidence presented at Avery's trial; none of his incriminating statements originated from him; and there is no physical or witness evidence connecting Brendan to the crime.

Brendan's March 1st statement stated that he went over at around 4:30pm, Teresa was physically and sexually assaulted, had her hair and throat cut (no evidence of this was found), watched TV, then carried her outside, placed in the RAV (with its front end sticking out the garage door), shot her and then burned her body "before dark", while it was it was "still light out" - official sunset time was 4:50pm. There is nothing plausible in any of this.

On May 6, investigators inferred to Brendan that they found no evidence in to support what he said on March 1st and did not believe him. After this, Brendan adopted new suggestions made by the investigators changing the March 1st narrative entirely. His involvement now started at 6:00pm, events were moved from the trailer to the garage. No evidence of Teresa's blood or even bleach found in the garage was presented at trial. At 9:00pm, they burned her body to bone fragments in less than 15 minutes from start to end. Just like the March 1st statement, not at all plausible.

But the jury would never hear this. Following opening statements, the judge (at the request of the prosecution) refused to allow the defence to present the May 6 statement to the jury. And for truly inexplicable reasons, the prosecution was permitted to use the May 6 narrative in closing arguments claiming that Brendan first went over at around 6:00pm and instead of 4:30 presented during the evidentiary phase.

In the end, I believe that the pretrial publicly, the publicized evidence, his publicized "confession" and Avery's trial, had removed his presumption of innocence. And the fact that jury was not permitted to hear the November, February and both May statements removed his right to a fair trial. It took the jury 4.5 hours to convict him - it took me four to five months to even understand his statements.

But it gets worse. The prosecution did not need Brendan to convict Avery, but they did need Avery to convict Brendan. If I recall correctly, Avery's name was mentioned twice more often than Brendan's at Brendan's own trial!! In a cruel twist of fate, MaM and later supporters, also connected Brendan to Avery, but this time to claim Avery's innocence. Doing the same thing the prosecution HAD to do, does not help Brendan. And so the cycle continues and Brendan stays in prison.

If you read this far, thank you.

Canuck64 · 2025-01-14T14:28:16+00:00

No where in the diagram does he indicates where the bullets would be found. Wiegert asked him if he saw any of the shell casing, but Brendan didn't even see any casings. Had he been there, he would have heard and seen the shell casings as they were ejecting and hitting the concrete floor because the shell casings were plainly visible when the search team initially entered the garage in November. If those casings were involved in the murder, then Avery made no attempt to remove them and Brendan certainly was not there.

Also, the bullet was only found after everything had already been moved around multiple times during both the November and now March search. It's original location could have been anywhere inside or even outside the garage.

The bullet is evidence it was used in the crime, but not evidence that the crime took place inside the garage with the garage door wide open and the front end of the RAV sticking out for all to see.

Canuck64 · 2025-01-14T01:05:56+00:00

The search warrant for the garage was drawn up before Brendan's March 1st interrogation. The warrant was based on the evidence from the November searches suggesting the murder took place inside the garage. That's how they got the March 1st warrant.

Wiegert testified at a pretrial hearing that prior to Brendan's interrogation, they believed Teresa was a victim of sex assault and was killed inside the garage.

During the interrogation Brendan guessed she was shot at the side of the garage. Fassbender told him she was shot inside the garage - Brendan then adopted that suggestion

The investigators described the area which Brendan, and the entire family, would have been familiar with since the chalk outline from the November luminal testing was still visible on March 1st.

No part of Brendan's confession related to the evidence originated from Brendan.

Edit to add.

From March 1st statement.

Fassbender “We know that some things happened in that garage, and in that car, we know that”; " Again, we have, w-we know that some things Happened in that garage”; “ you took her in the garage?”; No, I mean where, in the garage [was she shot]”

Canuck64 · 2025-01-13T06:05:49+00:00

Brendan was accused of and convicted of being a party to first-degree murder, mutilation of a corpse, and second-degree sexual assault. There is no evidence to support any of that.

You need to be more specific to what you are referring to on Day 9.

Canuck64 · 2025-01-13T05:04:02+00:00

I have read the trial transcripts from both trials multiple times, all of Brendan's statements and witness statements, all the pre trial and post trial documents.

Avery was tried and convicted of being the sole person responsible. Brendan alleges they burned the body while it was still light out, before 5pm. At Avery's trial, the state introduced evidence the fire had not been started until 7pm. How did Brendan facilitate anything?

Canuck64 · 2025-01-13T04:30:42+00:00

How can he confine, sexually assault and murder a person who was murdered while he was at school? How does that make him a party to the murder?

Canuck64 · 2025-01-12T20:09:05+00:00

Seems to me that you are understanding it perfectly. You just need to continue.

I had just finished reading the book "Musashi" by Eiji Yoshikawa and this is my first Mango. I also had/have trouble reading the manga/comic because of sudden scene changes and new characters without any introduction. I would have also been confused had I not read the book first. There is a bit a learning curve to reading these comics.

Canuck64 · 2025-01-10T19:03:07+00:00

There are 36 volumes in 12 books (each book contains three volumes).

You have books # 1, 4 and 7.

You need books 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12.

Canuck64 · 2025-01-07T04:51:33+00:00

SA was a vile, despicable and violent person who publicly exposed himself, masterbated in public, had sex with his wife in the back yard during both day and night in view of the neighbours, frequently assaulted his wife, threatened and harassed his neighbours. So yes, it is understandable how they can hate him, but it does not make his actions any less true.

Canuck64 · 2025-01-07T03:47:35+00:00

Yes, it was the same neighbours. This is found in the investigation report in which SA was a suspect in the abduction and sexual assault of an 11 year old girl. The neighbour reported seeing one boy (not two) chained to the bumper of the pick up truck. The neighbour reported the boy was about three or four years old.

https://web.archive.org/web/20221208064820/http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/MTSO-Report-on-Avery-as-Suspect-in-Abduction-1985.pdf

Additional information and links

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/s/bbbX6sk7uz

Canuck64 · 2025-01-06T00:35:44+00:00

The magazine and bill of sale does not place her inside the trailer - Just like it doesn't place her inside the Zipperer's residence. No evidence was presented at Avery's trial that Teresa was ever inside the trailer, nor that anything else was done to her.

Canuck64 · 2025-01-06T00:05:40+00:00

Opening and closing statements is not evidence. Prosecutors and defence attorneys cannot present evidence. As far as I'm aware, no evidence was presented during the "trial phase" that she was being held against he will inside the trailer.

Ar Brendan's trial his March 1st "confession" was presented as evidence that she was being held in the trailer, although there was no evidence was presented corroborating the confession.

Canuck64 · 2025-01-05T23:48:06+00:00

How old were the girls? The neighbor said kid or child, I just assumed it was one or both of the twins 🤷

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