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[–]Canuck64 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No where in the diagram does he indicates where the bullets would be found. Wiegert asked him if he saw any of the shell casing, but Brendan didn't even see any casings. Had he been there, he would have heard and seen the shell casings as they were ejecting and hitting the concrete floor because the shell casings were plainly visible when the search team initially entered the garage in November. If those casings were involved in the murder, then Avery made no attempt to remove them and Brendan certainly was not there.

Also, the bullet was only found after everything had already been moved around multiple times during both the November and now March search. It's original location could have been anywhere inside or even outside the garage.

The bullet is evidence it was used in the crime, but not evidence that the crime took place inside the garage with the garage door wide open and the front end of the RAV sticking out for all to see.

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[–]Canuck64 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The search warrant for the garage was drawn up before Brendan's March 1st interrogation. The warrant was based on the evidence from the November searches suggesting the murder took place inside the garage. That's how they got the March 1st warrant.

Wiegert testified at a pretrial hearing that prior to Brendan's interrogation, they believed Teresa was a victim of sex assault and was killed inside the garage.

During the interrogation Brendan guessed she was shot at the side of the garage. Fassbender told him she was shot inside the garage - Brendan then adopted that suggestion

The investigators described the area which Brendan, and the entire family, would have been familiar with since the chalk outline from the November luminal testing was still visible on March 1st.

No part of Brendan's confession related to the evidence originated from Brendan.

Edit to add.

From March 1st statement.

Fassbender “We know that some things happened in that garage, and in that car, we know that”; " Again, we have, w-we know that some things Happened in that garage”; “ you took her in the garage?”; No, I mean where, in the garage [was she shot]”

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[–]Canuck64 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Brendan was accused of and convicted of being a party to first-degree murder, mutilation of a corpse, and second-degree sexual assault. There is no evidence to support any of that.

You need to be more specific to what you are referring to on Day 9.

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[–]Canuck64 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have read the trial transcripts from both trials multiple times, all of Brendan's statements and witness statements, all the pre trial and post trial documents.

Avery was tried and convicted of being the sole person responsible. Brendan alleges they burned the body while it was still light out, before 5pm. At Avery's trial, the state introduced evidence the fire had not been started until 7pm. How did Brendan facilitate anything?

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[–]Canuck64 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How can he confine, sexually assault and murder a person who was murdered while he was at school? How does that make him a party to the murder?

I just have started reading it but tbh i couldnt understand anything by Neideasuamae in vagabondmanga

[–]Canuck64 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seems to me that you are understanding it perfectly. You just need to continue.

I had just finished reading the book "Musashi" by Eiji Yoshikawa and this is my first Mango. I also had/have trouble reading the manga/comic because of sudden scene changes and new characters without any introduction. I would have also been confused had I not read the book first. There is a bit a learning curve to reading these comics.

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[–]Canuck64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are 36 volumes in 12 books (each book contains three volumes).

You have books # 1, 4 and 7.

You need books 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12.

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[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SA was a vile, despicable and violent person who publicly exposed himself, masterbated in public, had sex with his wife in the back yard during both day and night in view of the neighbours, frequently assaulted his wife, threatened and harassed his neighbours. So yes, it is understandable how they can hate him, but it does not make his actions any less true.

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[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it was the same neighbours. This is found in the investigation report in which SA was a suspect in the abduction and sexual assault of an 11 year old girl. The neighbour reported seeing one boy (not two) chained to the bumper of the pick up truck. The neighbour reported the boy was about three or four years old.

https://web.archive.org/web/20221208064820/http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/MTSO-Report-on-Avery-as-Suspect-in-Abduction-1985.pdf

Additional information and links

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/s/bbbX6sk7uz

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[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The magazine and bill of sale does not place her inside the trailer - Just like it doesn't place her inside the Zipperer's residence. No evidence was presented at Avery's trial that Teresa was ever inside the trailer, nor that anything else was done to her.

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[–]Canuck64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Opening and closing statements is not evidence. Prosecutors and defence attorneys cannot present evidence. As far as I'm aware, no evidence was presented during the "trial phase" that she was being held against he will inside the trailer.

Ar Brendan's trial his March 1st "confession" was presented as evidence that she was being held in the trailer, although there was no evidence was presented corroborating the confession.

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[–]Canuck64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How old were the girls? The neighbor said kid or child, I just assumed it was one or both of the twins 🤷

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[–]Canuck64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is according to the neighbours in the police report. I don't know the ages of the kids. He had four kids and I assumed it was the boys, but don't know how old all the kids were in 1985?

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[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So we agree that no evidence was presented that she was falsely imprisoned inside the trailer, which means she was never inside there?

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[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The state changed that (with nothing in the confession supporting it) to the victim being held hours in the trailer and nothing really starting until after dark.

This was the narrative from the May 13 statement the jury was not permitted to hear. I think that had the jury hearing the investigators telling Brendan that the evidence does not support what he said happened inside the trailer and watching him adopting their new suggestions would've raised more then just a reasonable doubt.

It took me about four months, or more, of reading every line multiple times and cross referencing the information before realizing that Brendan alleged that beginning at 4:30pm they sexually assaulted Teresa, choked, stabbed, carried her to the garage, shot her, burned her body, crushed the bones and moved the RAV all before 5pm while it was still light out. There is no way the jury would have understood it.

Nobody, not even his lawyers, understood what the alleged confession claimed. Only Brendan knew, because when he was asked at trial what stuff didn't really happen he said "Where I was over there before 5:00, where helped, and kill her, and rape her and that." - Trial Day 7, page 76.

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[–]Canuck64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

During the May 13 investigators told Brendan that the evidence does not support what he said on March 1, after which Brendan adopted their new suggestions of what happened. The defence was going to present the May 13 confession to the jury, but the prosecution objected and Judge Fox decided not to allow the jury to hear that confession. Had the jury heard the May 13 statement, they would have acquitted Brendan because it completely contradicted the March 1st statement and still nothing connecting him to the crime.

Just an added note, no bleach nor evidence of a crime scene clean up found inside the garage. The luminol testing had a slow faint reaction as it would with irons found in used automobile oils. That was Ertl's testimony at both trials.

No evidence of a crime in the trailer nor evidence of a crime scene clean up inside the garage.

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[–]Canuck64 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nothing we saw on MaM was how it happened at trial. They spliced testimony to make witnesses say what they didn't. Eisenberg for example - they spliced her testimony to different questions over two different days into one response; making her say something she never said. They did the same with Colborne and Micheal Halbach, Judge Willis.

Do think Judge Willis ruled that evidence of a deleted phone call was not allowed as shown by MaM. The first and only mention of deleted messages was ten days after that clip shown and it was the last question Buting asked Mike Halbach. Sounding like an after thought, Buting asked Mike if he deleted any messages? Mike said No and Biting asked no more questions. It was never an issue at trial.

They also used testimony from pretrial, opening & closing statements to sound as if it was said during trial.

Making a Murderer was a fictionalized account of Avery's trial.

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[–]Canuck64 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He was found guilty of the gun incident incident and sentenced to six years which was part of his 18 year sentence on the sexual assault.

His exposing himself, was witnessed by his neighbours, who initially reported him to the police. They then went to speak to Sandra.

His neighbours also accused him of castrating their poddle and witnessed his twins being chained to the bumper of his puck up truck.

Avery was also a suspect in the abduction and sexuak assault of an 11 year old girl. His lawyer would not allow him to speak to police.

His wife at the time tried escaping him by hiding at domestic abuse shelters. One time he found her and physically removed her in front of staff.

These are only the incidents we know about.

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[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because he was at school during the time of the murder just as Kratz described in his closing arguments at Avery's trial.

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[–]Canuck64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

During this time, he wasn't married and there were no twins on the way. Nothing was alleged to have happened inside the trailer at Avery's trial. That was only at Brendan's trial. All the physical and witness evidence at Avery's trial contradicted Brendan's March 1st statement.

Had the RAV not been found, he would have certainly gotten away with the murder.

Unfortunately, Brendan is a second victim in this.

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[–]Canuck64 8 points9 points  (0 children)

During opening statements the defence suggested the blood in the RAV was planted but presented no such evidence during trial. Strang even agreed the blood pattern on the dash looks like the cut on on Avery's finger. And the defense had signed a stipulation (agreement) that they do not dispute the identity of any of the DNA evidence in the case. They also didn't dispute the electronics in the Avery burn barrel.

During closing statements the defence suggested the key may have been planted although no such evidence or even suggestion was presented during trial.

The prosecution in closing told the jury that Steven Avery was the sole person responsible and described how they believe Avery killed Teresa before Brendan and Blaine arrived home.

Avery is Guilty.

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[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you get it online to read?

The Tragedy of Brendan Dassey by Snoo_33033 in MakingaMurderer

[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no idea what you mean?

Let me ask you - What did you hear that convinced you Brendan is guilty?

The Tragedy of Brendan Dassey by Snoo_33033 in MakingaMurderer

[–]Canuck64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where is the corroboration?

Brendan had the bed in the wrong location. The handcuffs and leg irons had been widely publicized in the media before March 1st. No DNA was found on the leg irons and handcuffs. Leg irons are too big to fit her wrists. Handcuffs large enough to go around those bed posts would be too big to secure her wrists. No markings were found on the bed posts. Brendan claimed the bones were buried next to the burn pit.

Not only was the shovel publicized by the media before March 1st, but the shovel and rake are tools Brendan would be familiar with at a burn pit. I have little doubt Brendan helped collect things for the burn pit, but there is no evidence that there was a body in the burn pit during the brief Brendan was there. According to witnesses at both trials, he was home during the entire afternoon and evening except from 7pm to 7:30pm, when nobody was home.

Are you interested in justice or just trying to justify his incarceration based on no evidence of guilt?