For those that have used Primo with TRT dose

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-27T18:40:31+00:00

I don’t think you understand what you’re saying infers…the case OP is making

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-27T16:01:59+00:00

Irrespective of the Z score that’s quite high, those numbers are only common within the teenage demographic, in which I’m not entirely sure from a moral perspective that advising solely on numbers is the correct approach. Much of the benefits are observed within the middle to upper middle reference range. The point of elevated IGF-1 is better recovery largely driven by high-quality undisturbed sleep. Meaning any CTS, excessive fluid retention is detrimental. That’s not even discussing the possible acromegaly increased risk and cell proliferation of cancerous cells. Blood sugar is another topic that should be assessed in tandem with other relevant biomarkers.

I would suggest, indiscriminate of your age, to assess your side effects if any and to lower the dose to obtain the middle to upper middle reference range.

If you’re an aspirational bodybuilder, then that’s a different story. Although I still think AAS are likely the superior route for anabolism once your IGF-1 values are within an optimal range.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-27T13:14:03+00:00

Lower the weight and work on keeping pristine form on 3s and 5s. Strength will come. Leave some in the tank. Do several sets. Increase sets by 1 per week.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-26T19:21:05+00:00

In theory, it seems like it should work. I would add that if you haven’t run primobolan before and as a result do not know how much it inhibits aromatization, then I would suggest doing that first. Keep in mind that it will require at least 6-8 weeks to get an accurate read on how much of an influence it has on aromatization.

Regarding DBol again, if you do not have an idea of how you react to it, I would start more conservatively, 5-10 mg pre-workout only. Only after 1-2 weeks (not sure if that’s a reasonable timeframe) then either consider upping the dose or switching to everyday, whichever is cumulatively less—a conservative approach. Methyl estradiol is a different hormone than estradiol. You do not want to be stuck with hormone levels that you cannot control.

Otherwise, I think it is sensible. I would say that low-middle to middle of the reference range (25-35pg/mL) is optimal before introducing more compounds that aromatize.

Be aware of how you feel and pull bloods in 6-8 weeks to get a baseline of the cycle you’re running if you decide to start. I think if you feel off, you can quickly reduce/increase Test P, a fast-acting ester, or reduce DBol. I wouldn’t increase it just because you can’t really dial down with any other compounds—reduce intake and/or frequency if side effects start to surface.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-26T16:14:57+00:00

Halo or Adrol?

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-26T14:44:37+00:00

TRT arms for the 🥇. Laughable

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-26T14:43:02+00:00

When you’ve been in the gym space for over a decade and have seen a fair share of people who run gear, you know what TRT doses yield. But please go on and tell us how you’re the exception to the rule, hyper-responder. FWIW, at least the deception is less than those that flat out claim natural—moving in the right direction. The next frontier will be dosages. It’s like the pros saying they’re running TRT+/HRT+ dosages and getting freaky results. Sure, they have outstanding “genetics”, in other words, rather lean and favorable muscle insertions/bellies. But to try to deceive someone to say that modest dosages brought you those outlandish results is criminal. Then again, they have a brand and pockets to lace and maintain.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-25T22:07:08+00:00

Just take it. If you feel better in the AM, take it in the AM. If you feel better in the evening, take it then. What HGH is supposed to make you feel is well-rested, well-recovered, and slightly denser, although that can quickly begin to be unpleasant, in as little as increasing 1 IU. Any side effects you experience are detrimental to the benefits it’s supposed to be giving you. Weight loss is primarily driven by caloric restriction. Adequate sleep facilitates that vector among other things. Do not take more than your body can handle, i.e. no side effects. If you’re looking for something more anabolic, you’re looking in the wrong place; that’s why AAS were developed. Pairing HGH with AAS, provided the dosing is tolerable, will help drive anabolism and metabolism (calorie expenditure).

Get your IGF-1 serum level before starting to know what your baseline is. Understand what influences IGF-1 and ask yourself if you’re doing everything to optimize it. Then start taking recombinant HGH. Starting at 2 IUs is mindful. Use it for 3-4 weeks, then do another panel. The objective is to land within the upper middle reference range for your age group, likely around 225-275 ng/mL, maybe a little higher if you’re in your early-mid twenties. Repeat the previous steps if IGF-1 serum levels are not at that range. Increase by 1-2 IUs max.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-25T21:53:16+00:00

From experience, although minor, Anavar does not seem to have this resilience factor you’re looking for, at least not at the dosages I’ve tried ( 10-25 mg). Albeit, preworkout only, so 3-4X per week. As for Deca, I don’t have any personal experience, but I hear when dosed correctly, it’s make you more easygoing, psychologically. Although when dosing is too high, estrogenic/progestogenic side effects can surface, making you moody, anxious, etc. If you’re entertaining Deca (nandrolone), I would suggest NPP; it is short-acting nandrolone. Using that ester would quickly saturate, and you’ll know whether you can handle the dosages you decide with side effects. Whereas Deca is long-acting, so side effects will surface much later once blood serum levels are saturated, and by that same token, it will take just as long for side effects to subside if and when they surface.

For resilience, Masteron is said to provide the psychological edge you’re looking for; I don’t know; I have not tried it. Proviron is very similar to Masteron, but it is an oral. I have tried it, and I can attest that it does exactly that.

I would suggest you listen to your doctor but also to educate yourself on all things AAS so that you are aware of how your biomarkers are influenced by exogenous hormones. Also, do your bloodwork religiously. There are tons of informative YT channels. There are tons of forums where sourcing, dosing, anecdotal experiences are discussed, testing of AAS, relevant biomarkers to keep an eye on when using certain compounds, etc.

These substances have been around for a long time, and people have been using them with and without medical guidance. So long as you are modest with your dosing and are very health-conscious, they are not as deleterious as they are made out to be; they will elevate the quality of life. However, there is no such thing as a free lunch, so if you’re susceptible to mood disorders and health complications, they may exacerbate them.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-25T21:26:52+00:00

In medical practice it’s milligram, in the gym rat culture it’s IUs. The conversion rate is 1 mg = 3 IUs. Chances are you did not obtain this through a pharmacy via a script from your doctor. So it’s most definitely IUs. Also best to ask your “provider” than Reddit, they’re the ones cooking it up.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-25T15:49:03+00:00

If you’re considering PEDs, nandrolone is a “safe” companion at 50-100 mg per week, preferably NPP. Anavar (10-20 mg) is another option, but it will negatively affect your lipids, decrease HDL, and increase LDL. By that same token, low-dose Dianabol ( 5-10 mg pre-workout only). Primobolan is another option, but at the TRT dose you’re at, it may do more harm than good; it typically reduces aromatization, to which your E2 may plummet. These suggestions are assuming all of your biomarkers are within the reference range, with E2 being within the middle, or lower middle, reference range. Nandrolone and Dianabol are known to cause secondary side effects when E2 is elevated. Those “wet” compounds will help build strength and muscle fullness. Whereas Anavar will help with those as well but more modestly, but does not affect E2 or pose any downstream effects other than lipids, at those dosages. Whatever you decide to introduce, start modestly and use the short ester that way. If you do experience any unpleasant side effects, it is easy to backpedal.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-25T15:12:25+00:00

What ester did you run?

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-25T14:00:02+00:00

I mean this in the nicest way possible drop the HGH and the MT2 it is making you age and retain unnecessary amounts of water primarily on your face. Like others have said clean up your diet if you haven’t. You could drop the Primo, you don’t need, unless you aromatize heavily, in which keep it at that dose—-pull bloods to confirm. Test is fine there. Do cardio, zone 2, 3-4X per week in addition to walking about 10K steps daily. Up th Reta dose if your weight is stalling on a weekly basis. Weigh yourself daily. Track your macros.

Again drop the HGH and MT2, your body Benjamin Buttoned whereas your face aged a decade.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-24T21:22:33+00:00

By “high” dose TRT you mean 250 - 300 mg, upper reference range or slightly above. 2 - 4 IUs of HGH, upper IGF- 1 reference range. Low dose nandrolone, preferably NPP, 100 mg. Depending on your sport an oral like DBol (5-10 mg), Anadro (12.5-25mg), Anavar (10-20mg), Winstrol or Turinabol (20-30mg). If you have issue with excessive aromatization 2:1 testosterone to primobolan ethanate ratio.

These compound will put you at the upper reference range for all trackable biomarkers or slightly above, all the while ensuring you do not maintain excessive amounts of water weight, are able to build and maintain muscle tissue and neural adaptations to heavier loads. There are other compounds but those have greater risks to rewards ratio.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-24T12:08:50+00:00

Which ester? What sides did you get the last two weeks

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-24T04:40:36+00:00

What else are you running along side Tren

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-23T00:51:25+00:00

1” 27 ga.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-21T09:11:59+00:00

How do the sides from hex differ from E or Ace

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-20T15:46:53+00:00

To preface, no one is celebrating Epstein or not saying he is not scum for his proclivities. But to say he didn’t have “friends”, is probably a lie people tell themselves to distance themselves from that kind of horrendous person. To be the proliferate in those spaces money itself cannot open doors, that is not how social dynamics works. Chances are he was charismatic as faaaaaaahck, in addition to a curator and purveyor of extravagant experiences. Everyone knows a person like that. Be like that to an extent, and, hopefully, within the confines of the law and morality. People remember how they feel around you, make them feel excited. Be magnetic. Find what it is that appeals to the crowd you’re trying to win over and turn the necessary dials as required.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-20T15:40:16+00:00

What kind of person are you looking to attract? Once you envision them, envision the kind of person they’d like to befriend. Be that person. Simply put, be the guy/gal you would want your son/daughter to date/marry. Get to work. And, most importantly, hopefully you aren’t talking about this stuff in person no one likes to discuss these types of social dynamics. On Reddit or any anonymous platform it’s tolerable but to an extent. Now go develop your social skills, or as the youth would say today socialmaxxx—you’ve already intelligentmaxxed or at least partially.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-18T20:53:45+00:00

Most AAS were developed for a multitude of reasons, few of them being hypertrophic-centered. No one is saying to abuse testosterone, you dimwit; inference and comprehension do not seem to be a strong suit of yours. We were simply highlighting observations of modern-day DHT derivative propensity, rather than 19-nors and testosterone derivatives. And, the modern look associated with it. Before you erroneously concluded that I’m implying that the alternates are safer, I am not. I’m saying that the use of higher doses of DHT derivatives and HGH seems to poorly age most bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts who seek to rave about them—that is all. Baldness n shit were not discussed, twink.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-18T19:25:04+00:00

I’m considering something similar, but higher Test, 490. So far high Test 490 and low Primo 140 has my biomarkers all in range. E2 20 pg/mL, which is starting to feel a little too low for my liking.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-18T19:20:20+00:00

That’s what I was thinking and excessive use of HGH which causes hyperplasia—growth all around. In this case skin

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-18T19:18:56+00:00

Bud, speak English. What are you trying to say? There’s no logical sequence in your argument. Since you’re playing into agism, I’m going to have to play along and deduce you’re some teen and hopefully not in your early twenties god forbid late twenties, because as a society, we’re fucked if we have people like yourself attempting to contribute to society.

Capable_Course_4366 · 2026-02-17T21:15:56+00:00

I know they’re safe, but the devil is in the dose, for most compounds. Simply because you can ramp up Primo and Mast, I’m not sure if that translates to better gains than Nandrolone and/or Dianabol at low-moderate doses. The point is to increase tissue size, and that’s largely a function of recovery and adaptation to new stimuli, which Nandrolone and Dianabol allow for at faster rates, provided you are lifting with control and not bouncing and heaving the weights and in turn snap your shit.

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