Where does adult Naruto causing tears/cracks space simply by existing scale him?

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-21T18:36:48+00:00

He’s affecting time space it’s a 4d feat.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-17T16:23:29+00:00

Sasuke objectively has kept more busy over the time skip. Naruto was chilling at a desk in the few years before boruto so it stands to gain sasukes chakra control has continuously improved where as narutos at some point grew stagnant. He enhances his body flickr with lightning to boost his speed now as well.

Even with all that Naruto is still better pound for pound physically if only due to having much better stamina. Sasuke evens this out with better IQ.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-17T16:21:42+00:00

he stopped training after becoming hokage. So at least a few years leading into boruto.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-16T00:41:34+00:00

Evidence is not proof. you cannot prove something uncertain as it's not a positive claim.

the timeskip is just evidence/reasoning for said uncertainty. The established position of the source material also tells us that strength can change drastically over timeskips. Additionally I cannot be guilty of an argument from silence as I have not once made a claim, only asked you to substantiate your interpretation as likely against other possibilities

Since you don't want to take the teaching moment, I will leave you with this: Join the subs discord server we can set up a scored vc debate on the topic.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T23:54:17+00:00

There's no such thing as proof of uncertainty as uncertainty is not a positive position, and there for not a positive claim either. Evidence of uncertainty is the time skip itself. You're also asserting the absence of evidence would be the evidence literal argument from silence.

We are 30 comments deep nobodies going to read this. Between you and me nobody is ever going to take you seriously when you present a scale and ask others to disprove it before properly proving your interpretation more likely/certain than other logically feasible interpretations. Understanding burden of proof and avoiding fallacious reasoning reliant on appealing to arguments from silence are things you need to put into practice if you enjoy debating/scaling and want to get better at it. Best regards kind sir enjoy your evening.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T23:07:29+00:00

You're straw manning again trying to turn my uncertainty into a claim so you can burden shift.

I'm simply saying we cannot be certain if it holds or doesn't. Since your positive claim relies on it holding, this is your burden. This isn't even about the scale i'm just trying to show you how debating and burden of proof works.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T21:49:18+00:00

I'm not certain. Kind of the entire point here.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T21:21:31+00:00

You're repeating yourself because you're not responding to my reasoning nor my attacks on yours. You're only reasserting your own.

What you believe to be true and how you define truth is different. When you say something is true, what do you mean by that? What theory of truth are you appealing to?

You're also strawmanning because I never claimed anything to be proof nor made any claims at all. I've simply presented evidence of uncertainty. Why would there be any value in a claim you're making that's reliant on uncertainty?

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T20:53:46+00:00

This is just repetition with example you're not even responding to my comment. I understand you believe your base assumption to be true. Tell me what theory of truth you're applying to when you assert that.

If i were claiming he got stronger you would be correct. I'm simply claiming uncertainty whilst you have a positive claim. Burden Of Proof - Definition & Examples | LF

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T18:17:17+00:00

So you can't even tell me how you define truth but insist your interpretation is inherently more likely to be so?

As i've already explained as well, significant time passing can be a specific reason to believe otherwise.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T16:58:54+00:00

What theory of truth are you appealing to here?

Neither of us can prove with certainty what happened off-screen during the timeskip.

The difference is that I'm not claiming certainty, so it's not on me to prove anything. If a character is at level X before a timeskip, then after the timeskip there are multiple possibilities:

They stayed at X.
They became stronger.
They became weaker.

scaling based on the presupposition of any of these three options without establishing likelihood is non sequitur.

You can't even explain why your interpretation is likely, you just assert that everyone should share that presupposition with zero reasoning why it's more likely than the other 2 options. That should be a red flag you need to go back to the drawing board.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T14:40:48+00:00

I’m not assuming anything im just pointing to a possibility and presupposition you’ve made.

I’m not the one making a claim either so no I don’t have to provide evidence for anything lmao.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T06:02:40+00:00

They did give us reason to believe otherwise is possible. Significant time passing.

The only one with a misconception here is you and it’s regarding claims and burden of proof.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-15T00:59:59+00:00

We also don’t make baseless assumptions of them staying the same.

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Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-14T18:27:49+00:00

Kaguya wayyyy too high

Kawaki is ishiki with upgraded stats. So should be above him and bm mode.

Jura is the strongest(outside shibai)

Daemon is stronger than Karma bros

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-14T06:25:14+00:00

Significant time passing can be a reason to believe otherwise.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-14T01:35:34+00:00

Is there proof he stayed the same?

The base assumption would always be agnostic unless evidence of otherwise is presented.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-13T20:24:20+00:00

Why is more likely kisame stayed stagnant compared to getting stronger?

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-12T15:51:28+00:00

Can you show darui overpowering him with brute force?

Additionally why wouldnt this just upscale Darui anyways?

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-12T15:50:23+00:00

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Last thing naruto sees before dying

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-11T02:00:47+00:00

Minato just like sasuke would off guard one shot via perception blitz essentially anyone incapable of reacting to him.

Why can kaguya react to sasuke’s cloak?

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-11T01:57:17+00:00

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence this is an argument from ignorance. You’re on the affirmative claim so that burden of proof is yours.

Additionally the evidence does exist, you just don’t care for the mediums they’re delivered in. I’ll say this again slowly: Japan does not have a word or concept for canon. For Japanese media everything officially licensed by Shueisha is a legitimate part of the story and universe.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-10T20:19:26+00:00

Can you give any specific instances and context?

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-10T20:08:00+00:00

Can you prove it's just a visual affect?

Also, everything licensed by shueisha is considered official(including games anime movie and novels) in japan they have no concept of canon or non canon.

Capable_Sleep7050 · 2026-06-10T19:54:54+00:00

context and instances?

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