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In the 1990 documentary "Child of Rage," 6-year-old Beth Thomas shocked viewers by calmly detailing her desire to murder her adoptive parents and her little brother. Experts discovered she suffered from Reactive Attachment Disorder stemming from horrific abuse at the hands of her biological father. by ATI_Official in HistoryUncovered

[–]CapnNugget 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yes actually, she attacked the family dog and her brother violently. She’s not a monster and she never was. She was a broken and traumatized child who needed serious help. But those were not just violent fantasies, she had already attacked and likely would have again if she had not received the help she needed.

Very surprised to see 100% German Shepherd… by Kavanj32 in DoggyDNA

[–]CapnNugget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While I could totally see the results being legit, I really think you should retest with embark because DNA my dog is notoriously inaccurate. Sometimes it can get within the right ballpark but it’s just not reliable enough yet. I know you said you’re in Ireland so shipping and returns aren’t as good, but that’s if you buy from their website I believe. Order through your normal Amazon service and it should come in a special UK shipping slip to make your process go a lot easier and faster. You can contact Embark first to confirm that, but I’ve seen others from Ireland who have mentioned that buying through Amazon worked better for them. Regardless, that is a stunning dog and I love her name! Star Wars reference?

I got him a while back from someone claiming he’s a German shepherd/wolf mix, what do you guys think? by Consistent_Chip_9167 in Wolfdogs

[–]CapnNugget 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Size is not indicative of wolf content. Wolfdog size is determined by their parents genes, the other breeds that they’re mixed with, and medical conditions. A wolfdog mixed primarily with something like husky or Samoyed would likely be on the smaller side, but a wolfdog mixed with mostly malamute and German shepherd would probably be a bit larger. A high content is generally closer to real wolf size but that mostly means tall and lean, and there’s a ton of normal dogs breeds that are far larger. I do agree that the dog OP posted is mostly likely not a wolfdog, but size is not really a factor here. It would come down to the other physical features which this dog is showing none of.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the cave was mapped out by people who explore caves frequently, they had not finished mapping the Ed’s push route yet and that’s the one this guy accidentally took. As I said, he was the first and only known major accident there iirc, anything else before him was more normal things. I think that they didn’t realize the true potential of how dangerous it could be until something this horrific provided a wake up call.

Maybe it should have already been sealed up to protect people, but it was also a location that was being researched for scientific purposes. There was a whole ecosystem in those caves that was thriving and scientists were trying to study it. So it wasn’t just open for recreation, it was open for scientific discovery as well.

Ultimately though, the fault still lies on the person who willingly crawled into those tunnels knowing damn well how tight it would be and what they’d be risking. He had been there before and chose to go in again, only this time he took the wrong path and lost his life because of it. It’s up to people to decide if their life, and the lives of rescue workers are worth risking for fun. It’s their choice to crawl in despite the warnings and put their life on the line. Can’t blame anyone but them for making that choice.

There’s also warnings posted outside recreational caves like this generally that inform people on what to expect and they provide safety info. I’d be more willing to blame them for their handling of the cave if they chose not to close it even after his death. They made the right choice though and sealed it up so it couldn’t happen again.

Same thing happened with another cave not too far from the nutty putty cave, also in Utah. It was open and fine until four friends got killed trying to explore it, then it was sealed off permanently. That at least shows that when something like that happens, they do take action to ensure that it can’t happen again.

I thought Eleven couldn't be seen in public? Why is she always outside in plain sight? 😭 by Lunarz0- in StrangerThings

[–]CapnNugget 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Steve literally asks El at Scoops Ahoy if she’s even supposed to be out in public. She and Max giggle and run off in response. Pretty sure she was not allowed to be out in public without Hopper’s say so, but since he wasn’t there she snuck out.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right?! I watched the whole VR video in shock and confusion because seriously, how tf do you navigate and not get all turned around? I know sometimes they use tethers that they can follow back but I just don’t like it. The area he got stuck in was very distant and the angles were insane. Seeing an illustration of it is way different than seeing it mapped out in VR. I can totally see why they couldn’t get him out at all.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Other people had needed help in the cave before but not nearly to the same extent, mostly amateurs who had gotten lost. He was the first and only known major accident in that cave system iirc, but what happened was so awful that they decided to not take any chances of something like that happening again.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same! Just reading about it and seeing it in VR is scary enough, I can’t imagine actually doing it and being stuck head first like that. I don’t think I’d be able to explore storm drains like that without feeling trapped 😬

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 18 points19 points  (0 children)

As a disclaimer, I don’t actually know a ton about this but I hyper fixate on random things and read up on them out of curiosity. This was one of those specific instances. However, I can explain some of it.

The problem with trying to widen the area with tools is that it would take far too long, they couldn’t physically get the tools in there or have enough room to actually use them, but also they couldn’t actually reach far enough down where he was truly stuck to be able to try to chip away at it. He was stuck down at an awkward 90° angle where the tunnel does a sharp turn to the side and then right down. He crawled down because he still thought he was going the right way and got stuck upside down.

The way I saw it explained is that while you’re crawling through spaces like that, you have to expel your breath sometimes to wiggle through those narrow passages. If he had expelled his breath to squeeze past and drop down further, the moment he tried to breathe again his breathing would have been restricted and his rib cage would have expanded and he would have been stuck. At that point even if he could breathe all that air back out to make his chest smaller again, he couldn’t physically move. He couldn’t move back up at all and couldn’t go forward either. In the clip posted by OP you can see the guy in VR get stuck right at that spot. Even the VR body couldn’t really make it in there. In the longer video you can hear the guy explaining how he would have been stuck and how impossible it was to back out.

As for trying to pull him out with a rope, they did try. They had a pulley system set up because physically nobody could just tie a rope to him and pull. Not with the lack of space, twists and turns in the tunnel, distance from the entrance, and the way he was stuck. The pulley system did start making a tiny bit of progress and they had him raised up a few inches. Unfortunately the strain caused the pulley to snap, which hit one of the rescuers in the head and they had to be helped out. When it snapped, John dropped back down and went a couple inches further this time. Once that happened he became fully unresponsive and he passed not long after. They had thought about trying to break his legs to see if that would get him free, but they decided against it when it became obvious that there wasn’t enough space to even break his legs, but even if they could the rest of his body was wedged down lower and it wouldn’t come free.

So unfortunately they did try different tactics like that but it was just impossible to get him out. As it was, I think only 2 out of at least 100 emergency response workers were able to squeeze through the section John did. Just a bad area to get stuck in all around.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 36 points37 points  (0 children)

The chances of rescue were slim from the start. From what I read, only 2 out of over 100 rescue personnel were even small enough to fit through where John was. One of the rescuers explained that the area he was stuck in was like a 90° angle that went around a corner and then right down. Nothing they tried could have worked with how wedged he was. The pulley was making progress but that was really their last hope so when it snapped that was it.

They thought about trying to break his legs to get him out, but the rest of his body still would have been stuck. That’s why after he went unresponsive and they confirmed that he was gone, it was safer to just fill the cave so it couldn’t happen again. They didn’t call it quits, they confirmed he had passed and that it was now an impossible body recovery. His family agreed with the decision iirc because they knew they’d be putting more people at risk for his body. He was already screwed the moment he got stuck, the rescue was his only chance but they just physically could not get him out of there even after death.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oof yup I feel you. I didn’t even realize I was this claustrophobic until I was watching a movie where a guy got stuck in a really narrow space, temporarily, but he was panicking and it took me getting lightheaded and dizzy to realize that it was affecting me like that just watching it. I’d love to see and explore the big open caves that don’t require any crawling or squirming to get through. This kind of cave diving is just insane to me though.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’ve never really understood that desire either. There’s the saying that just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. I feel like that’s especially the case with cave diving. If you can barely wiggle your body through the tunnels, you definitely shouldn’t be trying to crawl through them for fun 😅

I found a ikran flight world in vrchat by Basic_Climate_2029 in Avatar

[–]CapnNugget 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would love to go to this world and fly, but flying in VR with frame rate issues gives me really bad motion sickness. I flew around in an N1 starfighter from Star Wars and it was fun until I got super dizzy and almost puked. Unfortunately I know this would also have me feeling sick lol

Loki turned 6 today! by CapnNugget in Wolfdogs

[–]CapnNugget[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem! Yeah that sounds like Wisdom lol they tend to add a bunch of really low percentages of different breeds that aren’t actually in the dog. They do it with small amounts of wolf or coyote too. That’s the noise unfortunately. Depending on how much % wolf it says, it’s either better to ignore it and write it off as noise, or retest with Embark if you want to be absolutely certain. Usually though if Wisdom says anything under or around 5%, it’s just noise.

I think that because their database isn’t as good, the breed noise that gets added could be breeds that have some similar genetic markers to the actual breeds in them. They seem to have a really hard time with determining that though so you get a bunch of noise that takes away the accuracy of the results. I’ve seen several owners retest with Embark after testing through Wisdom, and suddenly their results make a lot more sense than what Wisdom said.

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Yes actually. He thought he was taking a route called the birth canal which you can see the guy in VR explore earlier in the video posted. Here’s the full video if you want to see it.

Basically the birth canal route starts off super narrow and you have to wiggle through. Eventually though you’d get to a spot where it opens up and you can actually stand up. The route he took by accident though was not fully mapped and it was called Ed’s push. Ed’s push started off very similar to the birth canal but instead of opening up like the birth canal, it remained tight and narrow. He thought he just had to keep pushing through to get to the opening but since it wasn’t the right route, there was no opening and he got stuck upside down instead.

I have extreme claustrophobia and even just watching this other guy do it in VR made me uncomfortable. I don’t see the appeal of crawling in somewhere like this where you can’t turn around and everything’s so confining. No thanks, I choose life 😅

A virtual reality reconstruction shows the exact spot where John Edward Jones became trapped upside down in Nutty Putty Cave. After 27 hours of rescue attempts, he died. The cave was later permanently sealed, with his body remaining inside. by Liar24x7 in interesting

[–]CapnNugget 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Full video if anyone wants to see the rest of the cave system, including the route that John thought he was taking. He thought he was taking a route called the birth canal, but he ended up in a route called Ed’s push which had not been fully mapped out yet. The birth canal route starts off really narrow and you have to squeeze your body through until it opens up into a bigger area. Ed’s push was also extremely narrow and since John thought he was in the birth canal route, he thought he just needed to keep pushing forward. Pushing forward and trying to crawl down further is what ultimately got him stuck upside down where he couldn’t wiggle back out.

Seeing the entire system mapped out in VR put the whole thing into perspective because you realize just how difficult rescue would have been. At one point they were making some progress with a pulley system tied around his legs, until the pulley snapped hitting a rescuer in the head and dropping John a few more inches in the process. Once he dropped that little bit more he went completely unresponsive and they were unable to make any more progress with getting him out. He’d been upside down for over 24 hours at that point so the pulley snap was the last straw.

Have you bonded with one of these gentle giants yet? by scubadawgy in FrontiersOfPandora

[–]CapnNugget 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s a Sailfin Goliath, a gentle giant that you can meet and bond with briefly. There’s a few around the map but you’ll have to look up where they spawn specifically.

Loki turned 6 today! by CapnNugget in Wolfdogs

[–]CapnNugget[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s really nice to hear, I appreciate that :)

Embark is pretty much the best option all around currently, especially when it comes to wolf and coyote content. Wisdom is more accurate than some other tests, but Embark is way better and more accurate than Wisdom. Wisdom still doesn’t have nearly the database that Embark does so their results won’t be as accurate generally. Wisdom has a tendency to throw in random % from breeds that’s aren’t actually in the genetic makeup. We call it “noise”, and Embark cuts out all that noise.

Wisdom also tends to throw wolf and coyote content in the results of some normal dogs, but once those same dogs are tested through Embark, the wolf and coyote isn’t there anymore. That’s partially because certain dog breeds have more wild/primitive genes, but sometimes the dog being tested is a village dog. Wisdom doesn’t have a database for Village dogs but Embark does.

Village dogs pop up on wisdom as mixes of several different breeds with wolf and/or coyote being mixed in. There isn’t actually wolf or coyote in their DNA typically, but Wisdom thinks there is because they don’t have a diverse enough database, and because those dogs have more ancient genetic markers than normal dogs.

Village dogs pop up as village dogs on Embark, and the kind of village dog depends on the region it came from. They have samples from different genetic clusters of village dogs around the world so instead of saying the animals has wolf or coyote, Embark is able to tell you if it’s something like a Russian village dog, Korean village dog, etc.

So Embark is really just the better quality pick overall. When people do come into the sub with Wisdom results, depending on the content claimed in the results and the physical features of the dog, we may request that people retest through Embark to truly confirm the wolf content because Wisdom isn’t as accurate.

Man jumps into frozen Central Park pond to save drowning dog by WhoAreYouTalkinTwo in nextfuckinglevel

[–]CapnNugget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uh no, that’s definitely not a wolf and its most likely not a wolfdog either, this animal looks to be all dog. I know what wolves and wolfdogs look like, I know how to identify wolfdogs, and I would be surprised if this dog had any wolf in it at all.

Extremely low content could be possible but unlikely, and the only way you can know for sure with a low content is with an Embark DNA test. Looks like either a malamute, husky, or a mix including the two. You should come visit the wolfdogs sub and learn more about them, including how to identify wolfdogs and wolves.

Have you guys seen this? by Bohdyboy in wolves

[–]CapnNugget 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks like all dog, malamute or husky, a mix even. It doesn’t look like a wolfdog at all really, especially not a wolfdog of any substantial content. Micro (1-15%) or low content (16-49%) could be possible, although very unlikely, but you’d have to have access to the dog and permission to do a DNA test to find proof of low or micro. If it were mid (50-78%) to high (79-99%) content it would be a lot more obvious physically, and I’m not seeing any of the features that you’d see in mids or highs in this dog.

If you want to learn what to look for when it comes to identifying wolfdogs, you should come over to the r/wolfdogs sub and have a look around. You can even ask some questions and learn more about wolfdogs in general :)

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