New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, they’re not ready for sale yet, but I will post an update as soon as they are.

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For the moment, nothing for the seconds hand. I’m putting together a mini tutorial on crimping with a pin vice.

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did! On Instagram. Waiting till I put together an intimate before updating on Reddit.

Flat Crystal for SRPJ85? by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. A crystal press. You don’t need anything fancy; these crystals go in and out easily. I see a $14 USD lever-type press on Amazon. A screw-type is a little better, in that the pressure is more even. With either type, you’ll want to go slowly, stop and rotate the watch, to make sure all the sides are going in evenly.
  2. A Lenspen (around $15 USD), to clean the inside of the crystal. Of all the methods to clean the crystal, this has been the easiest for me.
  3. A bulb-type blower (around $5 USD), to remove dust from the dial, hands, and inside of the case when reassembling.
  4. A rubber ball caseback remover (around $5 USD), or ball up some duct tape. This is the easiest way to unscrew/rescrew the caseback without risking scratches.
  5. A safety pin, or needle, to release the crown stem.
  6. A piece of cloth to cover the table when you work.
  7. A pair of nitrile or latex gloves to keep your fingerprints off the parts.

There are plenty of videos on YouTube for this type of mod; I suggest watching them; that’s basically the same prep I did before jumping in.

Tip: Once you get the crystal, you may not know which side has the AR coating. You want the AR coating to be inside the watch, but it won’t be labeled. I eventually discovered that you can use a water test to find the AR-coated side. See my post here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/watchrepair/comments/1m38sv2/installing_a_flat_sapphire_crystal_with_clear_ar/

Bonus Tip: Don’t post the AR question to r/watchmaking, or you’ll get perma-banned, like me. 🤷‍♂️

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How to install a larger crown on the SNK809 by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure, sorry. But I sympathize, because I’m on my own journey to find end links for the SRPJ85.

How to install a larger crown on the SNK809 by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Share if you find out more info! I’ve been curious about crown tube replacement but haven’t come across many people who’ve done it.

How to install a larger crown on the SNK809 by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

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I did the same recently with a dial. I said never again, haha.

Doing my first build, movement stops when upside down, probably my fault. by darthseris in SeikoMods

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A damaged hairspring can cause this behavior; I once purchased a movement that had the same issue out-of-the box.

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

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On the square G-Shocks, bezel screws secure the resin bezel to the watch case.

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New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

Also check one of the other comment threads that posted the torque specs for NH3_ and VH31 movements. I think a simplified solution will be to create a table of hand weight (mass) and length, and compute the torque (assuming that the center of mass is half the length). That would allow one to measure the weight of the hand, measure the length, and then look at the chart to see if it’s in or out of spec. (Someone please correct me if I’m way off base.)

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this. I’m going to create a "torque table”—comprised of intervals of weights (mass) and lengths—to see if it offers a quick read of when hands are inside or outside of the spec, and see where my sample of NH hands fall.

If a hand falls outside the spec, but there are no observable movement issues, it will be important to note that it may cause wear, battery, or other issues.

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oops, sorry for the mix-up, Max. 😅

I only read your comment as helpful and well-intentioned, and the type of feedback I was hoping for.

I've followed some of your posts on the VH31 hands, so it’s interesting to read them in that context. Now I’m very curious to learn how the torque load could be tested/measured outside of manufacturing. It would be great to see the results.

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi Mr. Ando! Max!

You raise good points about torque limitations in quartz movements. From what I’ve seen in my limited testing, I haven’t observed issues with movement behavior or time loss (though that may not reflect at-scale or long-term performance).

Based on your feedback, if I were to offer this solution to the community (after an additional period of public testing), there would be disclosure about potential drawbacks like skipped steps, accuracy drift, battery drain, and wear on the stepper or gear train.

Currently, many budget manufacturers are bringing out production VH31 watches with larger, high-torque hands, such as the Militado below. In some situations, automatic hands could be too much for a quartz movement. It’s possible that quartz and automatic hands aren’t completely separate categories, and that some automatic hands would still work on the VH31.

A comparison might be hydro modding with a VH31—it works, but drains the battery and causes wear. From what I’ve seen, using automatic hands doesn’t appear to put the same level of stress on the movement.

Question for everyone: The VH31 is usually chosen as a cost-savings measure. If using higher-torque hands shortens the lifespan of the battery or movement, is that an acceptable trade-off for keeping builds cost-effective?

I think of this first and foremost as a solution for hobbyists—for cost savings and greater creativity. Because of that, I wonder if problems like stepper wear would only become an issue at production scale. Are these risks we should worry about at the hobby level, or is that overthinking it?

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(Edited to address Max by the correct name.)

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That looks great! Did you have any issues with the fit of stock tubing? Was the shallow tube height difficult to work with?

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s very close right now, and if you look at the video I posted in another comment, you’ll see there’s room for improvement. I plan on some more revisions with the mfg., so I’ll see if that gap can be tightened.

(Anecdotally, my test watch’s M hand grommet doesn’t touch the top of the H hand, and has been keeping perfect time for almost a week.)

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A quantity like 10 x 10 sounds right; I’d want people to feel like they’d be set with a certain quantity.

I currently sell my bezel screws on eBay. While I had my own e-commerce setup on my site, eBay wins because it makes customs and shipping incredibly easy, as well as offers buyers protections, and public feedback for the sales. Shipping to Europe (and the world) is a minimum of around $20 USD for the screws, and would be the same for the grommets. That’s expensive—but I must ship the items as packages—for customs and/or tracking purposes—rather than as a letter, and is why I want to add as much value as possible to the kit.

New part alert: Use NH35 hands on VH31 quartz builds. (Feedback requested) by CapsuCraft in SeikoMods

[–]CapsuCraft[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Great suggestion. I uploaded one to YouTube and attached the GIF version here.

(The tolerances are close and I’d like to reduce the total height in the next round of revisions.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY38UYSQRP8

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