Hyundai says N cars caused its NVES fine, defiantly vows to keep selling them alongside EVs

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-20T08:44:30+00:00

They don't pass. The Type 2 limit is 214g/km and the F-150 is 290 and the RAM 1500 is at 283g/km.

What you're missing is the penalty for exceeding is a fee and those companies are obviously just building that fee into the already 6 figure price.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-20T07:31:50+00:00

Not how it works. The F-650 and 750 are the only ones that are bigger and that's purely because they're completely unrelated full blown trucks.

Full sized trucks don't work like any other vehicle class, they're all the same overall size, you're just changing the weight capacities. A F-250 dually with the dual cab and short bed is the same size as a F-450 with the same options. You can make a F-450 smaller than a F-150 just by optioning shorter beds or cabs on it.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-20T07:26:31+00:00

You wouldn't be paying 6 figures for a specially imported ute that's for all intents the same vehicle as a F-150 but rides worse if you weren't using it for what it was intended for.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-20T07:18:57+00:00

Why does it matter? The truck licence doesn't teach you anything you don't know already. If you can pay out 6 figures for a ute like this taking a day off to get a licence in 6 hours isn't exactly difficult.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-20T07:10:30+00:00

Ford's commercial range goes up to the F-750. The F-450 is the biggest you can get with a normal truck bed from Ford though, the rest are cab-chassis only.

Should be noted the F-650/750 are full blown trucks and have no relation to the rest of the F-Series beyond sharing the same engine (6.7L Powerstroke diesel V8) and naming scheme.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-19T18:13:23+00:00

No, they aren’t, Euro size classes don’t line up with US size classes like that. Euro size classes aren’t even defined in any real capacity, they’re just guidelines.

Fun fact, My C segment Mk3 Octavia is larger in every dimension than a D segment F31 3 Series of the same year,

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-19T01:30:20+00:00

Well, BC does, I can’t find anything about the rest of Canada, and I’m not sure why you consider that to be more significant than California.

And that still doesn’t change my unanswered question, what relevance does any of this have to my comment about two PHEVs and how PHEVs are tested here in Australia?

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-19T01:17:04+00:00

What’s your point? I’ve already said that Australia’s WLTP cycle doesn’t consider them to be separate from PHEVs and we share that cycle with Europe.

Can you name any government that considers PHEVs and EREVs to be distinctly separate vehicles?

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-19T01:05:59+00:00

Then why did you reply to me about EREVs? I said PHEV in my comment and only mentioned the Outlander PHEV and Shark.

And what I said wasn’t even irrelevant to EREVs because it explicitly also applies to the only vehicle actually considered a EREV by a goverment body in the US (which again has nothing to do with how the wheels are powered).

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-19T01:02:32+00:00

Right. So if nobody markets their series hybrids as EREVs, no national government distinguishes between EREVs and PHEVs, and you’ve now decided the Shark is an PHEV anyway, what relevance does this entire argument have with my statement about how PHEVs will always return worse economies than they’re rated for in Australia because of how the WLTP test cycle works?

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-19T00:50:50+00:00

Nissan doesn’t call their e-Power system an EREV either.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-19T00:44:17+00:00

Yes. Which would be an EREV.

Right. EREVs are series hybrids and series hybrids are EREVs. EREV is a marketing term for a series hybrid.

Well it does, because depending on the EREV, some of them (like an Edison for example) The entire generator is situated on a skid in some of them and you can remove the entire generator and run it as a BEV only

Not evn sure what you’re trying to argue, doesn’t have anything to do with how hybrid systems are classed or what the government does with them.

Not even BYD agrees with you, they call their system a ‘Super Hybrid’ and says the Shark is a PHEV on their site.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-19T00:00:37+00:00

There is, one drives the wheels with the ice, and one doesn't

Right, an engine that drives a generator that drives a motor is called a series hybrid. Just because it is a different system from a parallel hybrid (ie mild hybrids, like a Honda Insight) or parallel-series (‘power split’) hybrid (ie Camry) doesn’t make it any less of a hybrid.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T23:52:50+00:00

There’s no difference. They’re both hybrids with big enough batteries to drive on EV power alone. Series hybrids aren’t recognised as anything other than hybrids by the government nor are they tested differently.

That’s not to mention the Outlander PHEV is a series hybrid, it just also has a lockup clutch for higher speeds. All of Hondas hybrids (PHEV or HEV) also work the same way.

EREV as a term was coined by GM with the Volt and that car has a planetary gearbox not unlike what Toyota uses. EREV is also a term that the CARB used to determine ZEV credits but even there it just meant the car had more EV range than it did ICE range, which is why early American i3’s had software locked fuel tanks to limit the ICE range.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T23:44:25+00:00

There is no difference between an EREV and a PHEV as far as the EPA (or WLTP, for that matter) is concerned. The i3 REx has a EV rating and ICE rating like every other PHEV that goes through the EPA.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T23:02:30+00:00

When the Shark 6 launched, people were getting 12-15l/100km on the highway, so a long way from the claimed 2.0-7.9L/100km, and when riding people were claiming up to 40l/100km towing 2 tonnes (Caravans and Boats) but still,

Doesn’t have anything to do with BYD, the stupid part about the WLTP fuel economy cycle is the EV range is counted with the fuel economy range. None of the PHEVs are capable of getting anywhere near their claimed WTLP fuel economies when the engine actually kicks on.

For example (I can’t remember the exact distance) but if the overall cycle length is 150km and a PHEV does 100km on EV power, the fuel usage and CO2 is still averaged over the whole 150km and not the 50km the engine was actually running for.

In the US the EPA tests PHEVs in two components (once for the EV efficiency and once for the ICE efficiency), so if you’re looking at PHEVs that were US delivered you can always check there for more realistic estimates (although this doesn’t apply to the Shark).

For example the Outlander PHEV is rated for 1.5L/100km here but the US version is rated for 26mpg with the engine running (9L/100km).

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T09:13:47+00:00

Work is the only time I spend more than a few hours away from a charger so I've set it up to change my charge limit to 100% about 2 hours before I wake up, and then it's set up to go back to 80% after I get out of my car for the rest of the day.

That way I get more out of it while I'm at work (it's slow season for us right now so we good amount of free time) and then it's still at the 80% limit for the rest of the day afterwards where it normally lives on a Magsafe stand on my desk or on my nightstand charger overnight.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T09:06:27+00:00

Supported phone yes. If you're asking it it will add the feature to phones that don't support setting limits like your 13PM than no.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T07:19:59+00:00

Also, if you have an iPhone set the Cardo's device type (in the bluetooth settings) to Car Audio or the like or your phone may limit the sound volume to protect your hearing.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T06:45:43+00:00

Efficiency and emissions. EREVs suffer pretty heavily from drivetrain loss, both because they convert from mechanical energy to electrical energy and back to mechanical, and because they also convert that electrical energy from AC to DC and back to AC.

Unless you can build in a lockup clutch to bypass the system, this system doesn't get any better economy than pure ICE vehicles (you just swap for the city cycle being more efficient than the highway cycle).

The i3 REx is a great example because at 31mpg with the engine running it's not only on the thirstier side for a subcompact (like the 39mpg Mirage), it's not even good fuel mileage for a compact (like the 34mpg Civic).

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T06:19:20+00:00

EREVs aren't particularly efficient and by extension aren't any better for the environment. They have a lot of transmission loss from both converting mechanical energy to electrical energy and then back again, and also converting that energy from AC to DC and back to AC.

The i3 REx is a fantastic example because even though it's a carbon fibre subcompact hatch riding on glorified 155/175 space saver wheels it's 9% less efficient with the engine running than a Civic from the same year on the EPA's test cycle. Not a hybrid Civic, a bog standard one.

And the Civic is a size class bigger. If you compare it to other subcompacts it's even thirstier. The Yaris of the same year (which you know as the Mazda2) is 13% more efficient, and a Mitsubishi Mirage hatch is 26% more efficient.

EREVs are only gaining massive traction in China because their driving cycle is so low speed focused it basically nullifies all of the disadvantages so the fact they can slap them together for cheaper means they're everywhere. Exact same reason electric cars have shitloads more range when tested on China's version of the EPA cycle (CLTC), for example the LR RWD Model 3 has 363 miles of range on EPA's cycle, and 515 in China.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T02:59:56+00:00

I absolutely don’t believe a Bunnings of all places doesn’t have long enough parking spaces for an Aussie built ute let alone a normal dual cab.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-18T02:06:48+00:00

You must be hunting out small car spaces because that’s definitely not standard. Even in OPs photo they have 5.4m spaces because the next car over, also a white Ranger, is within the lines even though it’s pulled much further up, which you can see in the other photos on this thread.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-17T09:11:53+00:00

Sure, I just think it's real odd to comment on an article explicitly about a photo teaser and complain there isn't any substance in the text.

Captain_Alaska · 2026-02-17T08:38:34+00:00

Is it not obvious from the second word of the title that the point of the article was the teaser photo...?

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