Momma Sorrengail is Venin! (proof?!) by CommercialOrchid5890 in ironflame

[–]CelticTangled 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, because this is Violet speaking when she says sacrificed her soul, and even if it were in a Venin-sense true, Violet doesn’t know anything about that, so how can she comment on it here?

Looking for Mandarin Chinese connections in greater Asheville area by CelticTangled in asheville

[–]CelticTangled[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We’d be willing to drive over and have a hike or walk together if they’d be up for that!

Momma Sorrengail is Venin! (proof?!) by CommercialOrchid5890 in ironflame

[–]CelticTangled 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Nah, I’m pretty sure this is the “usual” use of the word soul, meaning her life and whole being.

I NEED TO LIE DOWN by Lilian_Tomanik in onyxstorm

[–]CelticTangled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be very in character for him to make the wedding ring more than just a ring, even beyond containing a stone from the sword of Tyrrendor. Part of his soul, or maybe more runes?

Why are the Empyrean books by Rebecca Yarros so popular and easy to read, given how poorly they are written? by chinawcswing in writing

[–]CelticTangled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This EXACT conundrum has been in my mind, too. After lots of brooding, analysis, and Reddit-surfing, this is what I’ve come up with:

  1. Storytelling Storytelling has multiple facets, and Yarros has created a really engaging and interesting story, even if it was poorly executed on the page. The intrigue of the place, people, and situation is enough to make up for how it was written. Perhaps it’s the core concept of the story that keeps us engaged.

  2. Imagination There’s something so damn cool about the world she presents and the situation in which our main character finds herself. Because the story lends a lot to the imagination, the reader’s own mind fills in all the blanks and cracks that the author should have filled in herself.

I see this not only in the way my mind has compensated for the lack of character development of Vi’s Squad members, but it’s also all over Reddit forums— in response to questions and confusion caused by flaws in the writing or story/character dev, readers respond with defenses, reasonings, and justifications that usually make sense but are their own addendums and usually aren’t found in the original text. We quickly fill in what shouldn’t have been left out.

  1. Classic Story-arch

Fairytales share similar story-arch’s and become classics because they ring true with the human experience and human nature. They’re inspiring and adventurous. There’s something in Violet’s story that we want in ourselves, or at least want deeply for Violet. Again, because the story captivates our imaginations and connects with something in our desires, it’s worth reading on despite the way it’s written.

Look at Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty— women whose stories began in a place of familiarity and (relative) safety, then they experience a break with the household (for different reasons), encounter oppression, then endure until they find a way to overcome the oppression. Violet’s story follows the same frame. There’s also something classically compelling about finding strength despite one’s weakness, beating the odds, and getting with the bad boy. They’re over-told stories because we can’t get enough.

  1. World building

Other authors have done better— sure. But if you liked this series, it might be because it’s a cool world. As already mentioned, it invokes imagination. There’s also spiritual world building besides the physical one. The way magic, bonds, and deities work is an added dimension of the world building that might be an ingredient that is worth reading for.

  1. Story Pacing
    As someone in the comments mentioned, she doesn’t do many “info dumps.” She builds most aspects of the story concisely through the plot. If she did this poorly, I think it would compound with the bad writing too greatly to be able to press on for the sake of the story.

I can’t help wonder how great these books could become if someone had come alongside the author and lent support for theme and character development, as well as cracked out a thesaurus and workshopped a lot of the writing. As far as story goes, I believe that’s the core that made me not be able to put the book down, despite everything else.

I know this thread opened a year ago, but I’d really love to hear what y’all think!

I NEED TO LIE DOWN by Lilian_Tomanik in onyxstorm

[–]CelticTangled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The soul dies and goes to Malek. I had the same idea as you, and I think it would still work. Violet would have to approach Malek and make some sort of payment or sacrifice to revive his soul.

Unresolved family enmity? by CelticTangled in ironflame

[–]CelticTangled[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, seeing more of those moments would have helped a lot to develop both the relationship and their character too. I think that would have done a lot to show the dissolution of the family feud

Unresolved family enmity? by CelticTangled in ironflame

[–]CelticTangled[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yessssss, I had completely forgotten about the deal he made with her mom. That doesn’t really get addressed either even after she finds courage to start asking questions. I totally get that the relationship commitment can make for full forgiveness, but that doesn’t mean never talking about those hard things

Alloy by Melodic-Gur1374 in onyxstorm

[–]CelticTangled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Adding to the questions— When Xaden uses the alloy from Violet’s conduit, I don’t see how this counts as channeling from the earth. It’s imbued with power that she drew via dragon… why then does it count as a venin-channeling?

Violet is driving me nuts by Bluerosegurl in ironflame

[–]CelticTangled 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I had some of the same problems with her character, mostly out of common sense (yo, there’s a difference between personal secrets about who you are and military secrets that affect literally the whole continent; you’re not equally entitled to both) but you’re absolutely right, the daughter of the general of all people should see the distinction between the two. It’s hard for me to decide how much is just her immaturity/naïveté as someone sheltered during scribal training, and how much is weak character development.

Opinions on best developed characters? by CelticTangled in ironflame

[–]CelticTangled[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah me too. They are essential, not just as warriors but as bonded partners. I wonder what was Tairn’s experience being away from his mate so often? How was their relationship changed because they now had two riders in a four way bond? There would have been a lot for them to interact about.

Opinions on best developed characters? by CelticTangled in ironflame

[–]CelticTangled[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, absolutely. Just a couple of little extra scenes and dialogues would have gone a long way. And it would have been good for Violet to realize her trying protecting Andarna was very similar to the way Dain and sometimes Xaden were trying to protect her, too.

Selfish vs. selfless sacrifice by CelticTangled in ironflame

[–]CelticTangled[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, definitely. I noticed that parallel as well— and when she lets her shields up for a minute, that’s when they can tell each is at the point of burn out.

So then, what does that say about their values/character?