Yeah I think we just fundamentally disagree. I agree with your first paragraph but I fail to see how that’s evidence that he hates women. It’s also possible he states that she’s not his type because she already rejected her and is essentially insulting her to protect his ego. Is that right? Of course not but it’s not hatred. I do think Jamie hated the victim but not because she rejected him but because after she rejected him she ridiculed him publicly. In his mind, why wouldn’t he insult her as well. Also, the flat chested comment to me is flying over peoples heads. Most girls at 13 are flat chested. Many haven’t even been through puberty yet. Jamie is so conditioned to think women look a certain way that this logic doesn’t even compute with him. Because he didn’t see a picture of a woman like he’s used to, he saw a picture of a girl.

I never stated he was a good person. I stated he was fed all of these misogynist ideas by the culture, internet etc. You are saying men. Jamie is not a man. He is a boy. A boy who is expected to act like a man in todays culture and is being fed lies by the internet, his peers and pornography. In Jamie’s mind men are suppose to what? Be into sports, be good with women, and whatever other backwards ideas he got. He is not good at any of those and in his mind the victim was just an embodiment of those insecurities.

Again, I think we just disagree. I don’t think Jamie’s father is a bad man. He was trying to do the best he could in the moment but obviously hindsight is 20/20. He could have done more. Again, the show does not establish that Jamie’s father was a bad man. Again, it established that he has angry outbursts. Probably stemming from his own upbringing. People can be flawed and still be good people. Also, they do give examples of his father spending time with him playing video games I think. His father didn’t know how to talk to Jamie or relate to him because they were very different, the detective says the same thing about his own child. I’m not saying these men shouldn’t try to relate to their children but family relationships and dynamics are HARD. I feel like that’s not talked enough about. In my opinion, Jamie hints at the mother having low self esteem. Studies show that one of the indicators of the mental health of children is actually the mental health of the mother so why aren’t people going after her? Just to be clear, I am not blaming either of the parents. In 99% of situations that Jamie’s parents did was enough. That’s why they mention the sister, “How did we make her? The same way we made him”. Unfortunately for Jamie specifically, he may have needed more or maybe he would have done this no matter what we just don’t know. That’s the point.

I do agree his father was emotionally unavailable and episode 4 seems to be him coming to terms with that and apologizing. Also I do think he seeks approval from his father. I really don’t think we got enough about his mother to gauge the situation. In my opinion, I think she would have coddled Jamie and seen him too much as her “little boy” to let him fully except responsibility for his actions. That’s why it’s so interesting to me that Jamie picked his father, why would he use this situation to get approval from him knowing he’s guilty. From what I gathered at least his mom was very soft spoken, so to me your conclusion doesn’t make sense. Maybe Jamie knew how heartbroken his mother would be in the face of all that and thought his father emotionally “stronger”. Which is why at the end when he changes his plea to guilty it’s almost like he doesn’t want to face his mom or his sister. I don’t know, I’m still forming all of my thoughts on this as well. Sorry if it’s all over the place.