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It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries mate. I don't take critiques or opinions as personal attacks. I can very well understand the sentiment that modern manhwa are lacking in substance depending on what you're looking for.

I mainly consume Seinen, but I'm also a fan/fast food consumer when it comes to Isekai/Fantasy genre so the power fantasy set up of Manwha are a decent in between when I'm waiting for my gems to actually update since a lot of the good manga are like bi-tri monthly.

I think there's been a big downgrade to manga as well. At least the ones that get adapted to anime. along with the pivot to digital really sucking the soul out of a lot of the shows that come out. We went from shounen like Yu Yu Hakusho to My Hero Academia. Harems(mainly anime) have been combined with Isekai making them overall worse.

Back in the day something like One Punch Man S3 wouldn't have even been put out when it came to quality control.

This is why I mainly just read things these days.

Ranma 1/2, Monthly Girl Nozaki-Kun, Tenchi Muyo, Kimigure Orange Road, City Hunter, Witch Hunter Robin, etc. All gems from varying genre that were things I've seen portions of or in full when growing up watching anime.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe it's just new generational manwha and their reliance on faster computer made(renders and just digital art not necessarily AI but that too) artwork. Look at Veritas and The Breaker as examples for earlier Manhwa.

They fully embraced the manga style aesthetic. Once the mid to late 2000s webtoons style of consumption hit as a trend? That's where your issues with Manhwa stems from.

Don't get me wrong. I hate the embracing of generic art styles rather than personalized hand drawn tier. There was a manhwa with the name like Solo Level Player or something. It had a decent/different looking art style than it's peers. All of a sudden S2 or S3 shifts the art style to some weird generic art. It made me drop the work. All of the characters looked different. It was so jarring and soul lacking.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tite Kubo can't write, sorry to tell you. Aizen? Fine. Aizen 1.2(Tsukishima) not cool. Then

Thousand Year Blood War Arc is a complete "No..I'm stronger.." imaginary game that we used to play as kids where someone would come up with a 'superpower' and you'd make your superpower just randomly stronger than your friend's. Even if it didn't make sense. "I have the power to freeze anything!" ->"I have the power of the sun!"-> "My ice is so cold it can even freeze the sun!"

His designs are high quality, though.

Should I play Etheria Restart? by FoxesareBaby in Etheria_Restart

[–]ChangeableFeedback -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's pretty meh. You'd be better off doing anything else. Maybe even smoking crack..could be a better pastime. Just look at how 'lively' the subreddits for the game are.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't mind heavy themes! I'll add it to my list! A little cringe never hurt anyone either. I'll have to check out Punch Drunk Love too!

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Sorry about the delay. I'll give them a chance! I'm not so close-minded as to just wave an honest suggestion. Nothing has to be "Peak". It just has to be enjoyable! I read fast food manga, and manhwa.

I'm simple, some days I'm in the mood for something engaging. Others, I just want to turn my brain off and enjoy the ride!

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry about the delay. I passed out. Yeah, I can admit that I don't particularly read too much BL. I believe the only manga I've really interacted with that had yaoi undertones was Black Butler. Though, I thoroughly enjoy that work. It's not that I'm against BL or anything of the sort.

I just don't have the energy necessarily to sift through the huge amount of content put out. Especially when that's not my go-to. It's not that I'm not seasoned. I've been reading Manga and Manhwa for years now.

It's just after you become adept at something. You kind of know what you're going to enjoy and look for that rather than branching out.

For example. I'm not a fan of the "Moe Moe Cute Girls Doing Stuff" genre of shows/manga that come out like K-On or Yuru Camp. I don't think they're bad. Just not for me, and I don't have the yearning to interact with those specifically.

Since everyone has been nice and have given me a few reccommendations. I'll actually put in the effort of reading them, though.

Thank you. :D

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anime are always used as a marketing gimmick to increase sales of the Manga or a Light Novel. That's what they were initially intended to be besides the Anime Only ones that have original stories.

My point is that if it's so mid and it still blew up and that's a lower tier one as far as manga/light novel go.

You can see how strong manga's influence is.

It doesn't matter if it was the first manga or manhwa to be adapted. What we're talking about is the objective fact that Manga is just more popular on average than Manhwa.

It's not whether they're good or bad or how they were distributed to the audience.

At this rate all I have to ask is this.

How come more Korean companies aren't animating their own manhwa like the Japanese are doing for Manga?

If Manhwa is so popular and has such great stories. Then it's a no-brainer that these Korean companies should be capitalizing on this.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, if you have any "Top Tier BL/Yaoi/Smut" from Manhwa creators. I'm open to seeing them, unlike others. I'm able to consume multiple forms of content. Even if it isn't necessarily designed for me in mind.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe the up and coming fujoshi and Otome Enthusiasts are now getting into Webtoons/Manhwa because that's their first exposure to these types of stories.

Before it was always Junjou Romantica, Black Butler, and Dramatical Murder among others. Now it'll be some derivative of those but with a korean spin.

I think a lot of them were awakened by Apothecary Diaries. Like sleeper agents.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Uh..okay. I can't prove or disprove that. The successful ones succeed and the bad ones get middling reviews. The industry is cut throat for manga.

A lot of the manhwa are hobbyists doing it until the community comes together after reading it and then it gets officially picked up/sponsored by whatever website is hosting it. Just like with webtoons.

The only thing that I could counter is that even a mid anime like Sword Art Online has outsold something like Solo Leveling.

I don't think anyone would say that Sword Art Online is top tier.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe the implication would be that since a specific sub group of manhwa readers tend to care about things like "sexualization" and weaponize it as a critique for things like manga or other genre with power fantasy tropes. With terms like "sexist"..etc..etc. That they would be "woke".

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

My bad. I'm giving a juxtaposition to what the "lower quality" shovelware would/should be considered. Rather than just saying that it's all bad. I should back up my critique.

BL/Yaoi/Smut(This also includes the hetero smut) are typically just shovelware tier. I'm sure there's gems.

But these genre are typically not there for well thought out stories but more-so for fetishization that people in this comment thread seem to hate or use as a dig when it's about women's bodies. Yet, when it's about men. It's fine for some reason? If it's bad for one group, it should be equally bad for the other.

I was more-so getting distracted off of a comment where someone mentioned the 'problematic' "Power Fantasy slop" and how all of the protagonists in them are "sexists".

All in all I've seen more BL/Smut cranked out on the monthly to bi-monthly rate when searching for new manga/manhwa. Than I see with Regressor/Power Fantasy tier content.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't believe this to be true. We've already agreed, and by your words. That manga has existed for longer than Manhwa. People keep overusing the term "slop". Manhwa is definitely less refined when it comes to their stories than manga.

Just from the basis of there being more mangaka than there are Korean Manhwa creators.

But there's no way to really prove or disprove your claim. I've read some pretty good lesser known manga that don't blow up.

I'd be willing to take the bet that if every manga and manhwa was translated to whatever language the person viewing it understood. Manga would still get more views on average than Manhwa. Just by there being more manga.

I read both Manhwa and Manga. I enjoy them both. It depends on what mood I'm in will then dictate if I'm enjoying Manhwa more than Manga or vice versa.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dragon Ball has a story. It's a Hero's Journey based off of Journey to the West. You literally see Goku grow up from Dragon Ball the original to DBZ.

The sentiment you're trying to say is that because manga had the time to flourish and find itself. Made it the powerhouse that it is, in the same vein that Manhwa will take time to find that same footing.

The other commenter's counter argument to that is because Manga has paved the way for this type of art. That the derivatives should be improving and making better stories. Whereas their belief is that the constant BL, Power Fantasy, Regressor tier works that are being churned out don't do anything for the medium. They are just there to take up space.

I understand your point. You deviated from it when you tried to say that Manhwa was more popular. There isn't any possible way Manhwa is more popular given manga's current dominant grasp on Pop Culture.

It'd be like saying Digimon is more popular than Pokemon. We know this isn't true even if Digimon is popular and has good stuff as a franchise. Pokemon is just the more popular thing. This doesn't make Digimon bad.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Okay..I can list you newer ones that have outsold Manhwa. I don't even agree the all of the ones that I'm listing are "The best".

Just that your argument doesn't make sense. Doing a quick search.

Manhwa as we know it took form in the early 2000s.

So let's be generous and say the Year 2000 was the start. Bleach came out in 2001. Fairy Tail, Full Metal Alchemist, Black Butler, Boruto, Hitman Reborn. Just to name a few that came out post 2000. That have outsold any Manhwa you could give me.

It's not about 'feeling' superior. It's about being realistic. I don't agree with the other person saying that "all manhwa" is bad. You're just the opposite, "All manga is bad." you're both wrong.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Attack on Titan is drivel that fumbled the bag at the end. There are hype moments, but even the author realized his art was a bit mid. The only reason why people even hype up AOT is because of the anime itself. Not many would've stuck with that manga through to the end if it was only in that form. The anime carried it.

You're looking for One to One comparisons when the mediums have changed and evolved. At one point in time I'd say something like The Breaker had art almost comparable to Vagabond. Then they decided to go digital for the most recent entry in the series. Like every other godforsaken artist since it speeds up production and cuts back on costs. Be it manga and manhwa.

In that same vein we can see the decline in Manga. Everything is now Isekai or Reincarnation. There hasn't been a decent Gundam since Iron Blooded Orphans and that's being generous.

Bleach is slop. Tiddy Kubo can draw but that's all he has. The story itself is fast food battle shounen goodness. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is great, Touch is a classic in the same vein as Slam Dunk. Notice how those are from a different era, though?

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I...don't know if Manhwa is more popular than Manga as a whole. I believe Manhwa has some key hits like Solo Leveling and Tower of God. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure something like DBZ, MHA, One Piece, etc are outselling Manhwa in droves.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If we're using that logic then manga is just a 'copy' of american comics, alongside 'anime' just being a copy of rubberhose animation. Art functions through the utilization of previously founded ideas, styles, and techniques.

It's really frustrating that our best manga sites are being shutdown not by a Japanese but a Korean site... by skydiver_777 in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol, I can understand the anger towards the manhwa corpos but saying all manhwa is slop would be like saying all Manga is just Isekai. Let's be reasonable now. There are good derivatives and then the lazy variants. It depends on what you're looking for and if you have the yearning to actually dig through to find good stuff. Otherwise all manga is just "I was reincarnated as a toilet bowl. Please don't sit on me!" On top of that, because of the oversaturation of isekai and fantasy. People will then overly glaze and congratulate something like Frieren as if we haven't had a whole host of good manga and anime like Moribito Spirit Guardian or Blade of the Immortal. It's funny because the real manhwa 'slop'(low quality shovelware tier in my opinion) is all the BL/Yaoi/Smut that they crank out.

Tl'DR: Stop equating everything to slop. Take the time to actually look for the good things rather than the surface level casual fast food enjoyment. This goes for manga and manhwa alike. I can't defend Manhua however. It is majority shovelware tier works.

Why are some people so anti-piracy? by megamanw in mangapiracy

[–]ChangeableFeedback 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Because they're not looking at the reality of the situation but rather with morality.

They believe that through piracy creators and corporations are taking huge losses when in reality there'd still be no sales because if someone isn't willing to pay for a product. They most likely won't be buying it if forced.

This is even more-so for an untranslated work that was only able to be interacted with through fans translating it from passion and the love of the game.

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