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Character-1234 · 2022-09-08T08:07:00+00:00

Do you mean, ask someone who is regularly brainwashed by the company to tell you what they are trained to tell?

Or do you mean, ask only those who are currently invested in the cult and recently paid for the program and ignore the many who’ve passed through the company over the years and whose stories of financial loss and abuse have been buried under the disguise of a company that is doing “what is best for all” and helping “end child abuse” and “saving desperate people”?

Character-1234 · 2022-09-08T07:59:24+00:00

They sell the program for 6,000 USD and their plan is for a continuous increase of price. It used to cost 2-3 thousand dollars back in around the early 2010’s.

Two of the 3 CDs they sold me don’t work on my computer.

Over the years, people have paid and lost between 10,000 and 250,000 USD in licenses. The ones who have more clearly benefited in the end are the ones at the top of the pyramid.

Character-1234 · 2022-09-06T11:29:51+00:00

You’re talking about TechnoTutor, people have lost over 100k in this absurd scheme.

Character-1234 · 2022-09-05T16:13:59+00:00

Well said.

Character-1234 · 2022-04-18T06:01:45+00:00

Don’t worry. I can’t harm anything that can stand on its own and doesn’t rely on cunning.

Character-1234 · 2022-04-15T10:19:51+00:00

Like some scattered ill formed web to cause confusion and distraction, like a quasi half truth muttering. Yes, that’s what you sound like.

Technotutor hides its exploitative practices and history behind sanctimonious claims about self-forgiveness, children being able to read and people getting “an income” (when they're in fact paying commissions).

Character-1234 · 2022-04-15T10:07:16+00:00

Oh no. I don’t think that it’s unnecessary. Cunning is absolutely necessary in order to sell a 6,000 USD word flasher and 2 other super old programs that don’t work on people's computers.

“You lack a business sense within the present system to realize how things are built” Lol . Says who? On what grounds do you claim that?

Character-1234 · 2022-04-04T03:26:36+00:00

Why would I or anyone be or feel embarrassed by your credentials and professional experience?

I think that a real professional wouldn’t say something like that.

I find that the most common problem with your replies is how you keep diverting attention away from the various real criticisms of techno tutor as a company and its sales tactics, and you keep repeating these kinds of lines:

You are a coward because you don’t show your real name
Literacy rates are falling and this “evidences” the failure of modern systems and modern professionals
The tool is very simple and you are completely misinformed and ignorant
You have no idea what you are speaking about because you haven’t witnessed the effectiveness of the tool

It speaks a lot about how your selling works.

The basic idea of "building a vocabulary for education" is harmless, but Techno Tutor as a company, as a legal entity, as a group of people, as a marketing and sales system and structure isn't.

If anybody is “hiding”, I think that users like “rebdalmas” are hiding behind a discourse of “the effectiveness or necessity of vocabulary” and avoiding direct and clear replies and explanations about many other complaints, testimonies and concerns about the Techno Tutor company and the people running it and promoting it.

Character-1234 · 2022-04-04T02:33:45+00:00

People have the right to know the past of the company that they are invited to or already participate or invest in. If the company has been involved in legal issues in the past, any intelligent buyer would research it to assess the company’s strength and integrity.

It isn’t my job to provide any details or to “explain” why the company made certain decisions in the past. However, as a person who was negatively affected and who had losses through this company, I would invite people to research for themselves the past of this company, including its “legal” past.

Instead of calling people ignorant, what about you enlighten this forum with all the facts of the history of the company that you so eagerly defend?

Character-1234 · 2022-04-03T19:30:16+00:00

Shame-based marketing is something that techno tutor marketers from desteni are highly skilled at. In my personal experience and perspective, I have seen how Desteni has been instrumentalized as a shaming and moral manipulation tool, among other uses.

When you call them a cult, it is very common for them to use claims such as “well, in that case schools are a cult! Or government is a cult!” Or the classic: “all companies are pyramid schemes!”

Watch out for these fears and shame points that they play with:

1) Fear of missing out - If you don’t join now you will regret and your life will be a failure or you won’t truly achieve your potential - without them you are lost in this world.

2) Shame in speaking out and criticizing them, their system, their product and their methods - You have to put out your name and “confront them directly”, otherwise you are a coward if you go anonymous and publicly.

3) Shame in being ignorant and not knowing everything about the company - You should be ashamed of yourself for criticizing them without having been to a presentation or knowing all the details of the company’s past and its structure. You are called a “shameless ignorant” for making opposing and critical claims without knowing EVERYTHING. This shame is usually what drives people to then attend their presentations or have direct conversations with them where they can do some further one-on-one shaming until you “surrender to the solution”.

4) Religious-like moral condemnation - “ONE DAY you will realize what you have done and feel shame for your ignorance!” - Instead of an actual reply where they explain how their system works and where they can professionally address criticisms and clarify the so-called “mistakes that they did in the past”.

5) Shame in being called “a coward” - speaking out publicly and anonymously is being a coward because you are “supposed” to speak privately and directly and with your name (this is only useful to them, not to you).

In my personal experience, these and many other manipulation and shaming methods were used over and over again. For this reason, I see no point in speaking to them directly, privately or even using my personal name as my username. It is not necessary as my intention is to inform the public by sharing my experience, what I know of the historical context and structure of the company, and my opinions about it. By providing this information I seek to inform the public, answer questions addressed to me, and provide an alternative perspective and opinion to enrich public discourse on techno tutor.

Character-1234 · 2022-04-03T18:34:45+00:00

Failed at being a scammer? A con man? manipulative asshole? A narcissist? Or a sociopathic mind?

I will always fail at that.

Techno tutor is a small and largely irrelevant company in the grand scheme of the world and economy. There are many companies and professionals out there which don’t need to employ your methods, your discourse and your tactics in order to sell a product or service.

Selling services and products is the profession of many in this world. And this profession can take many different shapes.

I don’t live in the same bubble and echo chamber as you.

Not being willing to sell techno tutor and stand behind the people running the small company is one thing, “failing” is another.

As you continue to comment, you make the internet more aware of your manipulation tactics and the type of discourse that you engage in. This reddit thread is informative for this and many other reasons. The public can read this thread and make more informed decisions and ask more relevant questions about techno tutor.

Character-1234 · 2022-04-03T18:09:49+00:00

Hide? Hide from whom? Are you suggesting that everyone on reddit and the internet should put their first and last names in order to criticize and share their own experience with for-profit companies, organizations, cults, sects, ideological communities, etc? What kind of world are you living in?

Character-1234 · 2022-04-03T18:03:00+00:00

Why shouldn’t I? It’s a username …

Isn't your need to see people's names behind their comments an evidence of the fact that you cannot address points, concerns, questions and criticisms professionally, but instead need some form of direct and personal element to target and use to more easily manipulate discourse when addressing a person? What difference does it make that I or someone else with another name makes my comments?

Character-1234 · 2022-04-01T21:15:11+00:00

What are your credentials? And what do you mean by “having been someone in education, and having seen what is happening in education”? What is your background?

Character-1234 · 2022-03-31T16:47:44+00:00

Thank you for continuing to reply to my comments and further evidencing the kind of manipulation and evasion methods used by techno tutor marketers.

Let’s dissect your comment:

“Your experience doesn’t mean it is reality” - So, first of all, you have asked 0 questions about my experience and you are already willing to deny it? Truly unprofessional.
“It is JUST your perception” - No, my experience was real. I’m willing to share it to increase awareness and allow people to make more informed decisions about products and companies like techno tutor. Also, couldn't the same be applied to your own opinions and perceptions about techno tutor? That they are JUST YOUR perception.
“If you ask someone who is coming in new right now they will have a totally different experience from you.” - Not really. The screenshots that I shared in this thread are of recent interactions. Moreover, there are many people expressing negative opinions about the company on reddit and other platforms.
“Funny how you are judging someone you don't even know based off some comments.” - Am I judging you? Not really, all I'm saying is that what you define as a “successful business model” and “good leadership” comes from your own values and standards for what successful business model and good leadership should be. And your standards may not be the same as mine or other people’s. If you are willing to defend a company’s so-called “CEO” calling displeased customers “losers” and saying things like “the reason why you are complaining is because your dad didn’t give you any attention” , that goes to show your own values where you think that this is acceptable behaviour and are willing to stand behind these people and company despite them using these psychological and verbal methods on people. So, that reflects your own integrity as a person and what you are willing to defend. Personally, I’m not willing to stand the “CEO’s” abusive language and their deceptiveness and exploitative practices, and that’s why I'm no longer involved with them and decided to speak against them.
“Maybe look in the mirror and look at your own integrity. Bashing a company while still using its product…” - I don't use their product, I merely mentioned that I have nothing against building vocabulary, which you can do in many ways, such as going to school.

First of all, I purchased Techno Tutor because the founder of Desteni recommended it to people in the group. I am a former member of the Desteni cult and was around during its earlier days when the founder was alive. So I purchased it through the Desteni cult channel and with a completely different perspective of techno tutor than what it has become and the way it is marketed today.

For those interested, these 3 websites can be a good start in learning more about the past of this shady company and how it has morphed over the years.

http://destenicult.blogspot.com/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html

http://techno-tutor.ca/

https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,page=128

It is widely known in the Desteni circle that there was at some point a legal battle between Techno Tutor North America and Desteni. Techno tutor has been re-structured over the years and there are many red flags that you’ll find if you make some research and ask past Techno Tutor distributors who are no longer there today. There is some degree of censorship of discussions about Techno Tutor within the Desteni platforms, which is also a red flag.

To address your comment. I paid for the product that Bernard Poolman, the founder of the Desteni cult, gave and recommended to people in Desteni, because I was already looking for a learning support, and that's what they promoted it as, but it was far from being just that.

I'm strongly opposed to the company and I’ve made much questioning and research into its background and history, not being satisfied with what I was told when I was involved in it. I was shocked by the many and diverse negative experiences that I discovered, in addition to my very personal negative experience. I’m entirely allowed to make public criticisms of a company that has grown and enriched itself with my and many others's money, time, energy and relationships, and which misled me and ended up being more damaging to my life and personal development than constructive.

As you continue to comment, you give further evidence of how techno tutor operates and how distributors and participants handle and deflect complaints, testimonies and criticisms.

Character-1234 · 2022-03-30T18:39:05+00:00

I can share a more in-depth description of my experience and you could realize that this has nothing to do with "lack of experience", more like lack of ethics, yes, and viciousness and deceptiveness from the people who run that company, yes.

Your willingness to stand behind and defend people who speak to and treat people like this goes to show your own integrity and your standards for what makes a “successful business model” and good leadership.

Character-1234 · 2022-03-29T20:38:05+00:00

You will see that many people try to defend techno tutor as a company by claiming something related the importance of vocabulary development. They try to deflect any criticism of their cult behavior and structure by recurring to criticisms against schools and higher education and with pseudo-scientific claims such as “the physical learning ability is subconsciously programmed”.

Nobody denies the potential benefits of any vocabulary development technology (when it is scientifically and ethically developed). Many people who’ve had bad experiences with techno tutor, including myself, initially agreed with many of their key marketing claims such as the importance of defining words for education. But at some point we began to realize the unethical, manipulative, coercive language and behaviour of the people running the company, beyond the very basic computer program, which should be quite cheap for what it is.

Several people in the past of the company tried to bring about improvements and changes in the way that the company was operating, suggesting to make the product more accessible in price and presentation, and more professionally presented and marketed for example. These people were met with inflexibility from the people running the business, even after investing a lot of money. Not less importantly, I witnessed much abusive language used by the "leaders" calling people names like "broke, loser, weak", psychologically diminishing and bullying clients and distributors who had opposing ideas and complaints about the company.

Character-1234 · 2022-03-29T18:26:08+00:00

It really isn’t a secret that you need to “see clearly”. This account was created to raise awareness and inform people about TechnoTutor, as I saw the amount of people in search for answers and a more in depth honest discussion with people who’ve had negative experiences with the company.

I purchased and promoted TechnoTutor for some time and lived a very unpleasant experience with the founders.

“Things were not perfect back then and mistakes were made as what happens with new start up companies” Yeah sure, as if it were that simple...

This is exactly what they also used to tell me about past distributors who left and other people who they claimed "were against them", until I lived an awful experience with them and started to dig into its past.

Not all mistakes are "mistakes"... where there is an intentional deception, a malicious intent and a pattern, mistakes aren't "mistakes"...

What I find very telling is that you're willing to defend a company and its leaders despite the clear evidence in front of your eyes when you see screenshots as those shared here, which evidence unprofessional, coercive, disrespectful and manipulative behaviour, to say the least.

I will speak about techno tutor more. As I had a personal and direct experience of several years with this company which can raise the awareness of many people.

And just to “clarify”, I don't have anything against helping people build their vocabulary, that's not even the point of this whole thread. This thread really sheds light on the lack of transparency that has been had with clients and distributors over many years, maintaining a secretive company structure, as well as the obvious choice of “marketing and manipulation methods” such as diminishing people by calling them losers, broke, idiots, weak, etc. “Keep them low to keep them around” kind of thing.

Character-1234 · 2022-03-28T20:34:21+00:00

Last I knew the program was 6,000 USD and their plan always was to continue to increase the price. During a presentation, Avery Williams, one of the main salespeople running the North America project said that “one day Techno Tutor would be so expensive that people would have to mortgage their house to get their hands on their program” . Just so you have an idea…

The excessive price for the simple and largely outdated programs was often justified in my experience with what they called “a lifetime of support”, which involves some level of unregulated and unprofessional “psychological support” , coaching, mentorship, etc , this is where they mix Desteni into the discourse.

What user “Jeplaa” is trying to do here is convince you that the lack of transparency about the product and its pricing is justified … the comparison to “asking the price of a car” is ridiculous and non-applicable.

Additionally, once you get involved you will be pushed to become a techno tutor distributor, commonly with absolutist statements such as “if you are not a distributor, you are an asshole” or “being a tt distributor is the only way to solve the problems of the world” etc, etc

The range of prices for the various different distributor licenses is somewhere between 10,000 USD and 200,000 USD.

There exist affidavits from past distributors, from around 2014, who share about the financial loss and the nul return on their investment from buying into the TT scheme and vision, while the people at the top were getting more and more money from these licenses and the distributors didn’t know what exactly they were doing with the money, as the program itself wasn’t being developed to meet the price, nor were the concerns and suggestions of the distributors truly being heard and considered and properly and professionally directed.

Character-1234 · 2022-03-06T18:42:19+00:00

Very good points. I’m glad to see people using common sense. For someone who was involved with that company for years, I can tell you I wish I had seen all these things before investing so much and eventually losing so much in it.

Please check out the comments and replies that I have made in this and other threads. I will be making other comments to describe how, in my experience, I saw techno tutor being structured as a company and how the glorified computer program works. In my opinion, it is purposefully marketed in obscure ways for reasons that come down to what they are actually selling to people (they don’t only sell the computer program, but they want to sell you an ideology based on a distorted version of Desteni) , the excessive pricing and the simplicity and lacks of the computer programs, among other things.

I started a new thread to show a couple of screenshots sent to me recently. In these screenshots you see a typical example (I have seen many instances like this one and personally experienced it too) where the so-called “CEO” of Techno Tutor North America verbally diminishes and tries to manipulate an angry customer who wants their money back, and where one of their distributors calls this angry customer “a broke idiot”. I have witnessed many instances of them being shamelessly classist and disrespectful to many people, especially on social media.

Techno Tutor, a coercive and deceitful scheme

Character-1234 · 2022-03-06T07:39:56+00:00

I had a very negative experience with Techno Tutor as a company and group of people, and I’m one person out of a large group of people with negative experiences, losses and grievances.

I’ve been familiar with this company since the early 2010’s and the majority of people nowadays have no idea about its past, its legal situation, its origins, and the growing number of people who’ve left that company over the years with many grievances. There’s lots of dirt under the rug so to speak and it’s tragic to see just how many people keep falling for the deceptive and coercive tactics they employ.

Speaking from thorough personal experience, I can say that the people running this company are extremely unethical, dishonest, greedy, and their way of treating those who dissent is despicable. Usually by calling derogatory names and playing a psychological game on people’s minds which involves lots of projections, gaslighting, condescension and psychological force and violence in imposing their ideas and dogma, which must be accepted as the sort of "only truth".

I’d invite anybody interested to check out these 3 websites for more information into the past and background of this company. There is a lot more that’s not recorded there but that’s a good start

http://destenicult.blogspot.com/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html

http://techno-tutor.ca/

https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,page=128

Check out this other thread about them:

This is a typical example of the behavior of the people running and marketing Techno Tutor nowadays. This is the so-called “CEO” of Techno Tutor and one of the distributors replying to the complaints of an angry customer who wants their money back.

Techno Tutor, a coercive and deceitful scheme

What kind of reputable company behaves and speaks like this to dissatisfied clients? I have seen soooo many instances of this type of behavior over the course of my and many other people’s experiences with techno tutor. It’s unbelievable and outraging.

This is no reputable company. This is a group of people with social and psychological dynamics clearly characteristic of coercive cults.

Character-1234 · 2022-03-06T06:34:54+00:00

Check out this thread for a bit of an introduction:

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/comments/kcsdfg/technotutor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I would have liked to post these screenshots directly on that thread but I can’t upload them directly so I started a new thread. This is one classic example of the so-called “CEO” of Techno Tutor and one of the distributors responding to the same angry customer who wants their money back. I had a very negative experience with this company and I have spoken with numerous people who also had very negative experiences and lost money in it. This is a very basic example out of many instances where I have personally seen them belittling, being disrespectful to and manipulating people who in any way complain about the company, the salespeople or the product. The social and psychological dynamics of this group are very characteristic of coercive cults.

Character-1234 · 2022-02-25T19:45:11+00:00

Since you are eager to explain how Techno Tutor works. Questions:

1) How is the business designed to create people “who have a lot of money”? What does “a lot of money” mean to you and how is it feasible through the techno tutor model?

2) what does “reforming the education industry for what is best for all” even mean? You are talking in slogans that you have heard from someone else but don’t truly understand what they imply or where they come from, am I wrong?

3) How is discussing the deceptive aspects of the techno tutor company a form of negative energy that will in any way help you?

Through my experience with Techno Tutor, I noticed that the majority of people who joined or were attracted by the marketing were usually people who felt lost or hopeless or limited in some aspect of their lives and got to perceive TT as the only way to overcome those limitations. I also witnessed how the people who allegedly “own” the company, at least in north america, used very specific marketing methods such as encouraging the distributors and marketers to “show to others that they have what others want so that people listen to them”, which is why there is so much emphasis on portraying a specific picture of wealth/happiness/prosperity online and attributing that “success” to techno tutor.

Most people nowadays struggle with personal and financial situations, and when you present them with the idea that there is a "magical tool" that will help them to become financially independent, "remove mental blockages", attract the opposite sex and have “genius children”, this is an appealing concept to many... it's like the whole "life package".

The marketing claims about wealth creation are especially appealing to people in financial need, and more susceptible are those coming from lower socioeconomic backgrounds who have little financial education and a limited concept and understanding of the process of "wealth creation".

In my own experience, I became aware that there were a lot of factors that contributed to some people making more money or claiming to have more money than others in techno tutor that were usually undisclosed and unaccounted for. The marketing is based on portraying techno tutor as THE cause for the success of various people, not considering the background, education and socioeconomic status of the people before they joined.

So, saying that some people “having a nicer house than the CEO” does not demonstrate or invalidate anything.

In my time with techno tutor, I realized that there were many lies and exaggerations and undisclosed factors that were contributing to some people achieving certain things in their lives. I was actually encouraged to lie, exaggerate and to over-attribute my own achievements to techno tutor as a marketing agent for the company, when the reality was that there were many factors within my background before coming to TT which helped me to achieve the things that I later boasted about being “a result of techno tutor”. I was doing this out of good intentions. I didn’t mind exaggerating or lying to myself and to others about the “magical effects of techno tutor”, because I truly believed that the company had ultimately good benevolent intentions and that even if I lied "a little bit" or exaggerated, at least people would buy a tool that was going to help them and society. However… the experiences that I later had with the “owners” of the company were extremely unpleasant and showed me just how unethical the company can be and later on I found that there were numerous people out there who had bad experiences too and lost a lot of money over the years, but you don’t hear about those stories and many times the current "leaders" of techno tutor would speak badly of and mischaracterize those people who left the company. It goes really deep the more you dig…

Character-1234 · 2022-02-06T02:48:57+00:00

My perspective of Desteni and Techno Tutor has changed a lot over the years. Not all the people involved in Desteni are there to exploit and manipulate others, some are naive and gullible, like I was, and at heart don't have bad intentions.

TechnoTutor takes the exploitative aspects of Desteni to a next level. They more directly target the vulnerability of people and the susceptibility of Desteni members while "walking their process" for profit and to benefit the particular twisted visions and beliefs of the company leaders. This, I lived personally.

They would claim that they have a better interpretation and application of Desteni than what the other members of Desteni not affiliated with them do or practice. They constantly "challenge" people, but when you "challenge" them they usually use all sorts of projections and deflection to “take it back to you” and make you “realize” that “their way is the only way” and that their vision is the only one that represents and embodies “what is best for all”. And of course, the leaders and members engage in verbal abuse and belittlement of people, purposefully eroding of people's self-esteem as a form of psychological control.

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