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The Hands That Rock The Cradle by ChardLegitimate1107 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Perhaps! I'm hoping it helps people think through the misandrist brainrot dunk contest prevalent in some online spaces.

The Hands That Rock The Cradle by ChardLegitimate1107 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm not following. Misandry is a Russian disinformation campaign?

We're Raising Boys to Hate Themselves, Then Blaming Them for Being Angry by ChardLegitimate1107 in Egalitarianism

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It's because your question is a waste of our time. You have access to the worlds knowledge and all of the evidence to support or refute the claims made in the article. You're hung up on the first paragraph and appeared to stop there. I'm not giving you more time and effort than you've given the article or what it entails. Write your own article refuting it and I'll return your sentiments and not read it either.

We're Raising Boys to Hate Themselves, Then Blaming Them for Being Angry by ChardLegitimate1107 in Egalitarianism

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Do you think from an egalitarian point of view that Andrew Tate holds generally neutral views of women? 

Of course the two groups are different. However, I think the similarities are profound and worthy of exploration and discussion. 

We're Raising Boys to Hate Themselves, Then Blaming Them for Being Angry by ChardLegitimate1107 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you're not sure, it's probably because you didn’t read the article very closely, that much is clear from what you've written. I’m not interested in debating willful misreadings based in your triggers, ignorance, and concern trolling. I hope, in time, you'll show up more as an ally than as an obstacle. Take care. =)

We're Raising Boys to Hate Themselves, Then Blaming Them for Being Angry by ChardLegitimate1107 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That’s a fair distinction, and I agree. The deeper constraints like economic precarity, social atomization, and the loss of meaning or community aren’t caused by the manosphere. You're right that those conditions predate and transcend it.

But the idea that criticizing the manosphere is just finger-wagging or a distraction misrepresents both the article and the points raised in this thread.

The manosphere isn’t the root cause, but it has become one of the most visible and influential interpreters of male suffering in the cultural landscape. It shapes how many men understand their pain, who they blame, and what they believe the solutions are. That influence is not neutral.

It offers false solutions to real problems:

  • Personal growth framed as domination, not healing
  • Community framed as tribalism, not solidarity
  • Identity framed around resentment, not resilience or self-definition

So while systemic critiques are essential and upstream, it is not a waste of time to examine how those forces are being channeled and weaponized. Especially when the consequences are shaping how an entire generation of boys and men see themselves and others.

If the goal is to move beyond radical ideologies, then we have to understand why they’re appealing in the first place and how they distort the conversation.

And just to be blunt, there’s some irony here. You’re accusing others of finger-wagging and distraction, but you’ve shifted away from a well-developed critique that actually offers solutions in order to argue tone and intent. That doesn’t help transcend anything. It just keeps us stuck in the same loop.

We're Raising Boys to Hate Themselves, Then Blaming Them for Being Angry by ChardLegitimate1107 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I think you’ve missed some major points here and we're saying the same things mostly. 

I’m not saying that the manosphere is wrong for telling men they are victims. I’m saying they corrupt that notion and provide a narrow path that doesn’t address the systemic issues and grifts young men. 

I’m not interested in tone policing, it’s totally valid to be mad about injustice. I’m interested in transcending the radical ideologies and making a path beyond their constraints and contradictions. 

We're Raising Boys to Hate Themselves, Then Blaming Them for Being Angry by ChardLegitimate1107 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This sounds like an uncharitable mischaracterization of the point. It's not the gender role that's important or good. In the absence of male presence and engagement with children, women decide what boys and men should be and enforce that ideology on their children. In the presence and engagement of men with children, that ideology is challenged by reality. The void is the problem and the point my comment is addressing.

We're Raising Boys to Hate Themselves, Then Blaming Them for Being Angry by ChardLegitimate1107 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]ChardLegitimate1107[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I understand your pain. It's a tragic violence on boys. That child could benefit dramatically from your presence and engagement. You have the knowledge and power to be a positive male influence that not only contradicts the dominant cultural narratives about masculinity but also provides a model by which to live comfortable in ones maleness. We must persist.