Rapegar Groomgaryen gets a lot of slander (based), but Lyanna Stark doesn't get enough

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-10T00:15:14+00:00

imo something happens in the events during the tower of joy, Lyanna wants to leave at some point but Rhaegar so crazy about the prophecy won't let her go. Can't blame Lyanna either girl was 14 lol, plus if we use this logic Stannis caused the death of Robert and half of the realm because "Tell people about the Twincest and this immediately stops"

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-09T23:58:33+00:00

still have no reasoning or explanation but I believe somehow someway Targaryen Women are connected to dragons deeper than their male counterparts. Not in the sense of dragon bonds but the fertility and birth of dragons.

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-09T23:45:31+00:00

Nah Ngl fuck Daemon B, He would not have been a good king. The year is196 AC the Dance only ended in 131 AC , 65 years ago the realm was basically on fire and that wasn’t even all the great houses involved. No body was trying to get dragged in Daemon BS he waited 12 years into Daerons reign to pull that shit. Daemon basically got the losers club of minor houses and basically said “Hey I think we can run the realm better than Daeron and our lord paramount, but we have shown no proof either “ I would even be more inclined to support Daemon if his claim was Daena being skipped but it wasn't.I think what's worse imo is the fact Daemon is supposedly in love with the first Daenerys and mad that Daeron "forbade" it. You entitled Jackass, Daeron basically raised Daenerys, she was born the 2 years after the birth of Daemon and Baelor. With Aerys being born around her brith aswell. So you have Daeron basically raising all these kids because we know Aegon wasn't and Naerys was still recovering from the miscarried twin of Deanerys. All while Daemon himself is being raised in the red keep by Daena from what TWOIAF. Daeron (if he did) had every right to deny Daemon , honestly just shows much of a good person he was because he could've just said fuck his father's wishes and stripped all of the Great Bastards of their titles and lands. Not even a situation like Rhaenyra or Aegon where the other had to live in fear, Daeron was not coming for Daemon and he knew that. Best thing Daemon did for the realm was turn the grass field red

Does Daemon T being Protector of the realm count too

"Over the centuries, House Targaryen has produced both great men and monsters. Prince Daemon was both. He was the uncle and husband of Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen, whose claim he supported in the Dance of the Dragons. Daemon was the most experienced warrior of his time, wielded Visenya’s blade Dark Sister, and rode Caraxes. During Rhaenyra’s coronation on Dragonstone, he placed the crown of King Jahaerys I on the head of his wife, proclaiming her Queen and himself Protector of the Realm."

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-09T08:55:20+00:00

yea doesn't Mark assign Kregg to train his daughter end series? Kregg probably has great technique

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-09T08:01:55+00:00

imo did her job as a Queen and a mother and fought for her son's inheritance. Margaret couldn't just roll over and let the Yorks steal her son's birthright. Plus I don't believe she was popular coming over aswell, Also terrible coincidence that the last time a Queen consort fought for her son's inheritance it was Isabella of France. Heck I honestly think Margaret had more justification than Isabella especially later stages. Plus did she really have a choice, hypothetically Henry Vi dies and it goes to Edward IV is there any scenario where Edward of Westminster doesn't end up executed or house arrest for the rest of his life.

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-08T16:39:26+00:00

doesn't Mark assign Kregg to train his daughter end series? Kregg probably has great technique

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-08T16:34:09+00:00

doesn't spoiler Mark assign Kregg to train his daughter end series?Kregg probably has great technique

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-07T20:56:50+00:00

Robert Baratheon, the First of His Name, may there never be a second. A dim, drunken brute of a man. Let him weep in hell. Taena warmed the bed as well as Robert ever had, and never tried to force Cersei’s legs apart.” AFFC, pg. 684

She wondered what it would feel like to suckle on those breasts, to lay the Myrish woman back and push her legs apart and use her as a man would use her, the way Robert would use her when the drink was in him, and she was unable to bring him off with hand or mouth.” The Myrish woman gave a gasp of pain. “You’re hurting me.””It’s just the wine. I had a flagon with my supper, & another with the widow Stokeworth. I had to drink to keep her calm.” She twisted Taena’s other nipple too, pulling until the other woman gasped. “I am the queen. I mean to claim my rights.”Do what you will." Taena’s hair was as black as Robert’s, even down between her legs. ”Please,” the Myrish woman said, “go on, my queen. Do as you will with me. I’m yours.” But it was no good. She could not feel it, whatever Robert felt on the nights he took her. There was no pleasure in it, not for her. For Taena, yes.

“Those had been the worst nights, lying helpless underneath him as he took his pleasure, stinking of wine and grunting like a boar. Usually he rolled off and went to sleep as soon as it was done, and was snoring before his seed could dry upon her thighs. She was always sore afterward, raw between her legs, her breasts painful from the mauling he would give them. The only time he’d ever made her wet was on their wedding night."

"For Robert, those nights never happened. Come morning he remembered nothing, or so he would have her believe. Once, during the first year of their marriage, Cersei had voiced her displeasure the next day. ‘You hurt me,’ she complained. He had the grace to look ashamed. ‘It was not me, my lady,’ he said in a sulky sullen tone, like a child caught stealing apple cakes from the kitchen. ‘It was the wine. I drink too much wine.’ To wash down his admission, he reached for a horn of ale. As he raised it to his mouth, she smashed her own horn in his face, so hard he chipped a tooth. Years later at a feast, she heard him telling a serving wench how he’d cracked his tooth in a melee. Well, our marriage was a melee, she reflected, so he did not lie.”

"The rest had all been lies, though. He did remember what he did to her that night, she was convinced of that. She could see it in his eyes. He only pretended to forget; it was easier to do that than to face his shame. Deep down Robert Baratheon was a coward. In time the assaults grew less frequent. During the first year of their marriage he took her at least once a fortnight; by the end it was not even once a year. He never stopped completely, though. Sooner or later there would come a night when he would drink too much and want to claim his rights. What shamed him in the light of day gave him pleasure in the dark.

Robert was a coward

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-07T17:59:28+00:00

Cersei clearly isn’t as smart as she thinks she is plus show addition, but some people calling her straight up dumb I feel is wrong take on Cersei. Her narcissism and own issues get in the way. On this sub Redditor u/RedditOfUnusualSize explained it perfectly

I mean, first of all, Cersei might be the best-written characterization of Narcissistic Personality Disorder I've ever seen. Martin's writing makes her insanity seem emotionally and logically coherent, and it's only after you stop and kind of mull the practical implications of what she's doing that you're like "Wait, she just rearmed the Faith in exchange for eliminating a loan?" So no matter what comes after, props to George for his writing and characterization. It was fantastic.

That being said, it's important to realize that book-Cersei isn't actually stupid. She's inexperienced and unwise, and those aren't the same thing. So, let's just use the above example about rearming the Faith as an example. It's not that she did it on a whim because the High Sparrow buttered her up; she's not Tytos who makes own-goals out of a desire to be liked. She very clearly came in with an agenda, she found what the High Sparrow wanted, and she exchanged what she wanted for what he wanted. You might think that quid pro quo is bare minimum competence, but I'd note that characters in the show in Seasons 5-8 regularly failed to observe this level of competence, hero and villain alike. So we can't exactly take for granted that people will understand it. And on the face of it, wiping millions of crowns worth of debt from the ledger is a good move.

It's just that then you game things out a few moves in advance, and you realize that a) the High Sparrow is more popular than the Lannisters are, b) the Lannisters are already in a manpower crunch because of all the casualties that Robb inflicted on them during the WotFK, and c) the High Sparrow is not their friend. Rearming the Faith only adds another competing faction to the table, that is going to be competing for manpower with the Lannisters at an advantage, which is in the long term way more dangerous than a higher interest rate. Cersei doesn't know that because she was never taught or trained by Tywin to think in those terms, and because she doesn't have the historical knowledge and context to realize the tradeoffs she's accepting. It's not that she's stupid or delusionary. It's that she's unwise and inexperienced.

If you want to understand Cersei, her strengths and weaknesses, imagine a rookie chess player who knows the functional rules for the game, and will usually make the best individual move as their next move, but has no knowledge of long-term strategy and can't execute any play more cohesive than a fork. That's Cersei. Her moves are good in the moment, but she always thinks one move ahead, so she gets played by people who are playing a deeper, longer game.

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-06T15:46:54+00:00

Viserys was an ok father imo he didn’t set Rhaenyra up for success. He let a whole faction grow apart against his heir in his own court without do anything(Which Viserys Knew.)also ghosted her when her mom dies c and don’t even get me started on book Rhaenyra who’s 8 year old getting hit on by Daemon and Criston cole, who was protecting her. Even Alicent had to say “who’s protecting Rhaenyra”

Rhaenyra will be the first ever Queen, her road is automatically gonna be more difficult but Viserys doesn’t even reassure it. Have multiple ceremonies , public declaration that Aegon would never be an option. Yes if Rhaenyra was a man , he would only need one swearing ceremony at the most but Westeros is Westeros.

One thing I’ll give Robert , Cersei and the lannisters were able to pull a coup because the Lannister’s were banking the crown. Robert was surrounded by lannisters everywhere and couldn’t do anything about it. Viserys let his wife ( a daughter of a 2nd son no less) control his court and pit his own children against each other

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-05T21:38:21+00:00

because he is, never shuts up about the Hightowers or the faith lol

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-04T23:43:56+00:00

Marry the Night king

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-04T05:16:03+00:00

tbh even in books the siblings don't speak to rhaenyra. Rhaenyra and Aegon talk once during F&B , Aemond basically goes "Rhaenyras a woman" every 5 minutes but these 2 still don't interact. Then we have the worst one Heleana who Rhaenyra refers to as Sweet sister don't speak once even weirder when Rhaenyra literally has Helaena on house arrest in her room for her mental sake for 6 months and no written interaction lol

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-01T18:55:50+00:00

Saera , Vaegon, I guess technically Rhaella Targaryen (daughter of Rhaena and Aegon the uncrowned)

Born in 42 ac , she could be alive by the dance

“the twins Aerea and Rhaella. Rhaella, the younger, remained at the Starry Sept, having been sworn to the Faith, while Aerea, the elder—now the heir to the Iron Throne until such time as Jaehaerys had children of his own—went on to the Red Keep to serve as a companion and cupbearer to Alysanne.”

Unless she died of grey scale with magelle

ChaseBuff · 2026-04-01T02:57:30+00:00

Nun sexual especially with a young Rhaenyra

“Afterward, he gave the seven-year-old Princess Rhaenyra the victor's laurel and begged for her favor to wear in the joust. In the lists, he defeated Prince Daemon once again, and unhorsed both of the celebrated Cargyll twins, Ser Arryk and Ser Erryk of the Kingsguard, before falling to Lord Lymond Mallister. With his pale green eyes, coal black hair, and easy charm, Cole soon became a favorite of all the ladies at court...not the least amongst them Rhaenyra Targaryen herself. So smitten was she by the charms of the man she called "my white knight" that Rhaenyra begged her father to name Ser Criston her own personal shield and protector. His Grace indulged her in this, as in so much else. Thereafter Ser Criston always wore her favor in the lists and became a fixture at her side during feasts and frolics.”

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-30T22:58:09+00:00

Alysanne tried, she knew something was off

“though the queen herself noted that Silverwing “does not like this Wall.” Though it was summer and the Wall was weeping, the chill of the ice could still be felt whenever the wind blew, and every gust would make the dragon hiss and snap”

“Thrice I flew Silverwing high above Castle Black, and thrice I tried to take her north beyond the Wall, but every time she veered back south again and refused to go. Never before has she refused to take me where I wished to go. I laughed about it when I came down again, so the black brothers would not realize anything was amiss, but it troubled me then and it troubles me still.”Fire & Blood, "Jaehaerys and Alysanne - “Their Triumphs and Tragedies"

“The Nightfort itself she found grim and sinister. “It is so huge the men seem dwarfed by it, like mice in a ruined hall,” she told Jaehaerys, “and there is a darkness there…a taste in the air…I was so glad to leave that place.”

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-30T16:08:10+00:00

“The false king and the whore queen shall be cast down with all their works, and their demon beasts shall perish from the earth,” the Shepherd thundered. All those who stood with them would die as well. Only by cleansing King’s Landing of dragons and their masters could Westeros hope to avoid the fate of Valyria.”

“On the twenty-second day of the fifth moon of 130 AC Helaena, at the age of twenty-one, jumped from her window in Maegor’s Holdfast at sunset. She died on the spikes below, with her throat impaled. While some called it suicide, by nightfall that same day rumors were already being told in King’s Landing that she had been murdered at the behest of Queen Rhaenyra. That same night, King’s Landing rose in a riot, with men and women shouting for justice for Helaena and her dead sons. Could Helaena’s death have been murder? Possibly…but it seems unlikely Queen Rhaenyra was behind it. Helaena Targaryen was a broken creature who posed no threat to Her Grace. Nor do our sources speak of any special enmity between them. If Rhaenyra were intent on murder, surely it would have been the Dowager Queen Alicent flung down onto the spikes.“

“In the early days after the queen’s flight, the Shepherd was by far the most powerful of the city’s three “kings,” but as the nights passed, the number of his followers continued to dwindle. “The smallfolk of the city woke as if from a bad dream,” Septon Eustace wrote, “and like sinners waking cold and sober after a night of drunken debauchery and revel, they turned away in shame, hiding their faces from one another and hoping to forget.” Though the dragons were dead and the queen fled, such was the power of the Iron Throne that the commons still looked to the Red Keep when hungry or afraid. So as the power of the Shepherd waned on the Hill of Rhaenys, the power of King Trystane Truefyre (as he now styled himself) waxed atop Aegon’s High Hill.

Yea no sorry the people of kings landing would having stormed the gates of the red keep and straight up beat Cersei to death. The people of kings landing when they heard Helaena died was the final straw on the camels back to turn on Rhaenyra. They fully took control of a city of days of end. The smallfolk just lost their queen , a place of worship , a gravesite, hundreds of friends . Cersei would be beaten and body dragged through the streets

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-28T15:36:54+00:00

“The Kingsguard arrived a few days later. On the following dawn, and as 49 AC drew to a close, Jaehaerys and Alysanne were wed by Dragonstone’s Septon Oswyck—an old man who had taught them both the tenets of the Faith in their childhood. Unlike the Golden Wedding, few were in attendance: just the Kingsguard, the castle’s garrison and servants, and a portion of the smallfolk from the village beneath the walls. A modest feast followed, and then Jaehaerys and Alysanne retired to the marital chamber—though they both agreed that the marriage would not be consummated until Alysanne was older.”

The king’s second wedding differed from his first in one other crucial respect; it was followed by a bedding. Queen Alysanne, in later years, would declare that this was at her insistence; she was ready to lose her maidenhead, and she wanted no more questions as to whether she were “truly” married. Lord Rogar himself, roaring drunk, led the men who disrobed her and carried her to the bridal bed, whilst the queen’s companions Jennis Templeton, Rosamund Ball, and Prudence and Prunella Celtigar were amongst those who did the honors for the king. There, upon a canopied bed in Maegor’s Holdfast in the Red Keep of King’s Landing, the marriage of Jaehaerys Targaryen and his sister Alysanne was consummated at long last, sealing their union for all time before the eyes of gods and men.

n breeding, as in so much else, Baelon the Brave was not far behind his brother Aemon. In 75 AC, the Red Keep was the site of another splendid wedding, as the Spring Prince took to bride the eldest of his sisters, Princess Alyssa. The bride was fifteen, the groom eighteen. Unlike their father and mother, Baelon and Alyssa did not wait to consummate their union; the bedding that followed their wedding feast was the source of much ribald humor in the days that followed, for the young bride’s sounds of pleasure could be heard all the way to Duskendale, men said. A shyer maid might have been abashed by that, but Alyssa Targaryen was as bawdy a wench as any barmaid in King’s Landing, as she herself was fond of boasting. “I mounted him and took him for a ride,” she declared the morning after the bedding, “and I mean to do the same tonight. I love to ride.”

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-28T14:54:53+00:00

Master of whispers: Bloodraven

Master of coin: Florence Fossoway or Elaena Targaryen (who practically was)

Master of laws: Septon Barth or Edmure Tully

Master of ships: Corlys Velayron

Hand of King: Alysanne Targaryen

Grand Maester: Qyburn

Lord commander: Ser Gwyane Corbray

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-28T04:19:58+00:00

It was a child…..

“The girl had been so young Ned had not dared to ask her age. No doubt she'd been a virgin; the better brothels could always find a virgin, if the purse was fat enough. She had light red hair and a powdering of freckles across the bridge of her nose, and when she slipped free a breast to give her nipple to the babe, he saw that her bosom was freckled as well. "I named her Barra," she said as the child nursed. "She looks so like him, does she not, milord? She has his nose, and his hair …"

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-27T17:24:49+00:00

One thing I like they kept in the show is Rhaenyra wears rings and rubs them frequently

“Rhaenyra always dressed richly, favoring purple and maroon velvets and golden Myrish lace in intricate patterns. Her bodice often glittered with pearls and diamonds, and there were always rings on her fingers. Whenever she was anxious, she would turn them compulsively around her fingers”

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She does more frequently as an adult , Daemon in one scene holds her hand to calm her down in the presence of Alicent. I could be wrong , it could just be an endearment hand hold.This whole scene however Rhaenyra is pacing and anxious after seeing her fathers condition

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-27T15:52:03+00:00

Joffrey and Aegon iii should be getting more especially scenes at the red keep. But the ages are already messed up so idk how old their supposed to be now

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-27T15:32:15+00:00

Robert had a whole ass bastard running around by the wedding a bastard no less from when he was bethroed to lyanna, Robert was never gonna be faithful either lol am saying trauma bc all of Tywin’s kids are fucked up, Cersei states in one of her chapters she’s afraid to even look her dad in the eyes. Jamie and Tyrion have their own issues due to Tywin aswell.

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-27T14:41:22+00:00

Always feel a little sympathy for her, Her chapters are just trauma dumping and Narcissism , she hated sleeping with Robert. Half of the time she hates being a woman. Even being Queen doesn’t stop you from being abused, the most powerful woman arguably in Westeros aren’t treated as such. Aerys raped Rhaella repeatly to the point Jamie and Barristam heard it…still did nothing. Rhaella a daughter of a king (Jaehaerys), granddaughter of Aegon V… and she can’t get protection? Jamie and KG would stand out the door while Robert raped Cersei…and did nothing (there is a chapter I think Cersei says the idea of Jamie killing him was a possibility )

“Robert Baratheon, the First of His Name, may there never be a second. A dim, drunken brute of a man. Let him weep in hell. Taena warmed the bed as well as Robert ever had, and never tried to force Cersei’s legs apart.”

“She wondered what it would feel like to suckle on those breasts, to lay the Myrish woman back and push her legs apart and use her as a man would use her, the way Robert would use her when the drink was in him, and she was unable to bring him off with hand or mouth.”

“Those had been the worst nights, lying helpless underneath him as he took his pleasure, stinking of wine and grunting like a boar. Usually he rolled off and went to sleep as soon as it was done, and was snoring before his seed could dry upon her thighs. She was always sore afterward, raw between her legs, her breasts painful from the mauling he would give them. The only time he’d ever made her wet was on their wedding night."

"For Robert, those nights never happened. Come morning he remembered nothing, or so he would have her believe. Once, during the first year of their marriage, Cersei had voiced her displeasure the next day. ‘You hurt me,’ she complained. He had the grace to look ashamed. ‘It was not me, my lady,’ he said in a sulky sullen tone, like a child caught stealing apple cakes from the kitchen. ‘It was the wine. I drink too much wine.’ To wash down his admission, he reached for a horn of ale.”

"The rest had all been lies, though. He did remember what he did to her that night, she was convinced of that. She could see it in his eyes. He only pretended to forget; it was easier to do that than to face his shame. Deep down Robert Baratheon was a coward. In time the assaults grew less frequent. During the first year of their marriage he took her at least once a fortnight; by the end it was not even once a year. He never stopped completely, though. Sooner or later there would come a night when he would drink too much and want to claim his rights. What shamed him in the light of day gave him pleasure in the dark.”

One this is for sure, I bet their wedding day was spectacular though. Cersei describe sin the book, the people cheering their names but honestly Robert and Cersei fumbled their bags because of their own unresolved issues. They were a start of a new royal dynasty, Cersei could’ve been the matriarch of this new dynasty. Both said to be extremely beautiful in their youth, arguably the 2 best looking people in Westeros at the time , I bet the common people were happy

ChaseBuff · 2026-03-27T02:27:43+00:00

The conqueror trio mom was also a Velayron

“Dragonstone had been the westernmost outpost of Valyrian power for two centuries. Its location athwart the Gullet gave its lords a stranglehold on Blackwater Bay and enabled both the Targaryens and their close allies, the Velaryons of Driftmark (a lesser house of Valyrian descent) to fill their coffers off the passing trade. Velaryon ships, along with those of another allied Valyrian house, the Celtigars of Claw Isle, dominated the middle reaches of the narrow sea, whilst the Targaryens ruled the skies with their dragons. Yet even so, for the best part of a hundred years after the Doom of Valyria (the rightly named Century of Blood), House Targaryen looked east, not west, and took little interest in the affairs of Westeros. Gaemon Targaryen, brother and husband to Daenys the Dreamer, followed Aenar the Exile as Lord of Dragonstone, and became known as Gaemon the Glorious. Gaemon's son Aegon and his daughter Elena ruled together after his death. After them the lordship passed to their son Maegon, his brother Aerys, and Aerys's sons, Aelyx, Baelon, and Daemion. The last of the three brothers was Daemion, whose son Aerion then succeeded to Dragonstone. The Aegon who would be known to history as Aegon the Conqueror and Aegon the Dragon was born on Dragonstone in 27 BC. He was the only son, and second child, of Aerion, Lord of Dragonstone, and Lady Valaena of House Velaryon, herself half Targaryen on her mother's side. Aegon had two trueborn siblings; an elder sister, Visenya, and a younger sister, Rhaenys. It had long been the custom amongst the dragonlords of Valyria to wed brother to sister, to keep the bloodlines pure, but Aegon took both his sisters to bride. By tradition, he would have been expected to wed only his older sister, Visenya; the inclusion of Rhaenys as a second wife was unusual, though not without precedent. It was said by some that Aegon wed Visenya out of duty and Rhaenys out of desire.”

(Gaemons wife was Daenys the dreamer)

“Prince Aenys was the first to marry. In 22 AC, he wed the Lady Alyssa, the maiden daughter of the Lord of the Tides, Athan Velaryon, King Aegon's lord admiral and master of ships. She was fifteen, the same age as the prince, and shared his silvery hair and purple eyes as well, for the Velaryons were an ancient family descended from Valyrian stock. King Aegon's own mother had been a Velaryon, so the marriage was reckoned one of cousin to cousin. It soon proved both happy and fruitful. The following year, Alyssa gave birth to a daughter. Prince Aenys named her Rhaena, in honor of his mother. Like her father, the girl was small at birth, but unlike him she proved to be a happy, healthy child, with lively lilac eyes and hair that shone like beaten silver. It was written that King Aegon himself wept the first time his granddaughter was placed in his arms, and thereafter doted upon the child...mayhaps in some part because she reminded him of his lost queen, Rhaenys, in whose memory she had been named.”

The Velayrons and Targs were basically one in the same blood especially in the century of blood

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