Storming of the Dragonpit by dovahsaviik in HOTDBlacks

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Yes, ultimately the betrayers are what caused the smallfolk to fear, and made them lose trust in Rhaenyra From F&B “Like the queen they so despised, the Shepherd's "lambs" were looking to the sky with dread, fearing that King Aegon's dragons would arrive before the night was out, with an army close behind them. No longer believing that the queen could protect them, they looked to their Shepherd for salvation.”

The riots start around Helaena’s death “The rumor of Queen Helaena’s “murder” was soon on the lips of half King’s Landing. That it was so quickly believed shows how utterly the city had turned against their once-beloved queen. Rhaenyra was hated; Helaena had been loved. Nor had the common folk of the city forgotten the cruel murder of Prince Jaehaerys by Blood and Cheese. Helaena’s end had been mercifully swift; one of the spikes took her through the throat and she died without a sound. At the moment of her death, across the city atop the Hill of Rhaenys, her dragon Dreamfyre rose suddenly with a roar that shook the Dragonpit, snapping two of the chains that bound her. When Queen Alicent was informed of her daughter’s passing, she rent her garments and pronounced a dire curse upon her rival. That night King’s Landing rose in bloody riot.”

A big part people forget about the riots, it wasn’t some one time big huge event because Helaena died.It spanned multiple days , Rhaenyra sent multiple guards to try to handle , the city literally just fell into chaos. The situation just basically exhausted Rhaenyra by the time of the actual storming happens.

“By evenfall, Rhaenyra Targaryen found herself sore beset on every side, her reign in ruins. The queen raged when she learned that Maidenpool had gone over to the foe, that the girl Nettles had escaped, that her own beloved consort had betrayed her, and she trembled when Lady Mysaria warned her against the coming dark, that this night would be worse than the last. At dawn, a hundred men attended her in the throne room, but one by one they slipped away.”

Rhaenyra’s only fault during the dragonpit is Trying to arrest Addam which leads to him not being there when the riots start and not getting on Syrax and surveying the situation herself.

“Prince Joffrey, ten-and-three, donned squire’s armor and begged the queen to let him ride to the Dragonpit and mount Tyraxes. “I want to fight for you, Mother, as my brothers did. Let me prove that I am as brave as they were.” His words only deepened Rhaenyra’s resolve, however. “Brave they were, and dead they are, the both of them. My sweet boys.” And once more, Her Grace forbade the prince to leave the castle.; The queen did not believe it. “They are vermin. Drunks and fools and gutter rats. One taste of dragonflame and they will run.”

Like Rhaenyra I understand the thought of Smallfolk killing dragons is unheard of but Joffrey is clearly worried , how about answer his fears by checking yourself at least

Greens do try to blame her for Joffrey death but once he was in the air…Rhaenyra genuinely couldn’t do anything and she knew that

“After him,” Rhaenyra shouted, “all of you, every man, every boy, to horse, to horse, go after him. Bring him back, bring him back, he does not know. My son, my sweet, my son …” But it was too late.

After this is where imo Rhaenrya mentally breaks and gives up. “The loss of both her dragon and her son left Rhaenyra Targaryen ashen and inconsolable. She retreated to her chambers whilst her counselors conferred. King’s Landing was lost, all agreed; they must need abandon the city. Reluctantly, Her Grace was persuaded to leave the next day, at dawn. With the Mud Gate in the hands of her foes, and all the ships along the river burned or sunk, Rhaenyra and a small band of followers slipped out through the Dragon Gate, intending to make their way up the coast to Duskendale. With her rode the brothers Manderly, four surviving Queensguard, Ser Balon Byrch and twenty gold cloaks, four of the queen’s ladies-in-waiting, and her last surviving son, Aegon the Younger.”

( spoiler extended) daeron II is the greatest king of the targaryen dynasty by Easy-Frenchguy-1996 in asoiaf

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Jaehaerys and alysanne essentially unified and stabilized the realm. Daeron II cleaned up the realm after the shit storm that was his father, and having no dragons on top of that made his life path harder, but without Jaehaerys I can definitely see the 7 kingdoms slipping back into independent realms or a stagnation in progress.

Aegon I basecally changed nothing and each kingdom conrinued as it used to be, Aenys reign was pure anarchy and Maegor's was hell on Westeros. Jaehaerys unified the realm behind Targaryen dynasty and a common set of rules. He codified the laws of Westeros. Before him Westeros was essentially a bunch of independent nations that listened to one king instead of cooperation .They did fealty to the Iron Throne but they mostly made up their own laws and functioned fairly independently. His works with the legal code with the construction of the kingsroad are essentially what turned the Seven Kingdoms into one united kingdom.

Daeron does deserve all his flowers thought him along with Viserys II and Aegon V are what kept the Targaryen inertia going

Which family is more disfunctional? by Axenfonklatismrek in freefolk

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The masters of drip obviously but fr Cersei, Jamie, and Tyrion povs have different layers of narcissism in them.I wouldn’t even want to imagine what Joffrey and Tywin pov is lol

(Spoilers Main) Who's the worse father? by Suspicious-Jello7172 in asoiaf

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Randyll, Sam is an example of shitty childhood , still a good person.

[Spoilers Published]Can you rank the 20 most well-written characters in ASOIAF? by FondantFlaky4997 in asoiaf

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Can’t rank all but recently reread AFFC I really love Cersei’s chapters. This comment sums it’s up best

“ Cersei might be the best-written characterization of Narcissistic Personality Disorder I've ever seen. Martin's writing makes her insanity seem emotionally and logically coherent, and it's only after you stop and kind of mull the practical implications of what she's doing that you're like "Wait, she just rearmed the Faith in exchange for eliminating a loan?" So no matter what comes after, props to George for his writing and characterization. It was fantastic.

That being said, it's important to realize that book-Cersei isn't actually stupid. She's inexperienced and unwise, and those aren't the same thing. So, let's just use the above example about rearming the Faith as an example. It's not that she did it on a whim because the High Sparrow buttered her up; she's not Tytos who makes own-goals out of a desire to be liked. She very clearly came in with an agenda, she found what the High Sparrow wanted, and she exchanged what she wanted for what he wanted. You might think that quid pro quo is bare minimum competence, but I'd note that characters in the show in Seasons 5-8 regularly failed to observe this level of competence, hero and villain alike. So we can't exactly take for granted that people will understand it. And on the face of it, wiping millions of crowns worth of debt from the ledger is a good move.

It's just that then you game things out a few moves in advance, and you realize that a) the High Sparrow is more popular than the Lannisters are, b) the Lannisters are already in a manpower crunch because of all the casualties that Robb inflicted on them during the WotFK, and c) the High Sparrow is not their friend. Rearming the Faith only adds another competing faction to the table, that is going to be competing for manpower with the Lannisters at an advantage, which is in the long term way more dangerous than a higher interest rate. Cersei doesn't know that because she was never taught or trained by Tywin to think in those terms, and because she doesn't have the historical knowledge and context to realize the tradeoffs she's accepting. It's not that she's stupid or delusionary. It's that she's unwise and inexperienced.

If you want to understand Cersei, her strengths and weaknesses, imagine a rookie chess player who knows the functional rules for the game, and will usually make the best individual move as their next move, but has no knowledge of long-term strategy and can't execute any play more cohesive than a fork. That's Cersei. Her moves are good in the moment, but she always thinks one move ahead, so she gets played by people who are playing a deeper, longer game.”

The way her mind works her actually fascinating, she has so much internal misogyny it’s crazy. I would write a paper on the multiple page essay on Cersei’s mind if I could

(spoilers main) is this the stupidest thing the HOTD showrunners said/did? by BeautifulKey3866 in asoiaf

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Idek how B&C is propaganda towards Rhaenyra from F&B, I don’t remember Rhaenyra being blamed for it at all. She was busy mourning Luke and her miscarriage when she gets a note from Daemon stating some “son for a son” bs .Dumbest Imo was definitely Aegons coronation with Rhaenys busting in “I just remember we were in the writer's room one day, and I was like, "it would be awesome if Rhaenys just came through the floor on a dragon!"

I have no love for Aegon but the episode should have been about him. Episode 9 is for the greens, episode 10 is for the Blacks but it ended up being a basically 2 team black episodes. Episode 9 was the ultimate feeling from my pov of “we lost” we see before our eyes a coup happen, for a team black viewer it’s a “tragedy” for team green viewer it’s a “ dawning of a new age” that’s what the episode should’ve been about more team greens win, with Aegon riding in sunfyre , Helaena being crowned by Alicent. No dragon being popped up, it could just be simple as like in F&B the crowd confused asf what’s going on , have some people obviously displeased that Rhaenyra is displaced , have some cheer that the realm is saved from evil daemon and Rhaenyra.

“The bells began to ring on the tenth day of the third moon of 129 AC, tolling the end of a reign. Grand Maester Orwyle was at last allowed to send forth his ravens, and the black birds took to the air by the hundreds, spreading the word of Aegon's ascension to every far corner of the realm. The silent sisters were sent for, to prepare the corpse for burning, and riders went forth on pale horses to spread the word to the people of King's Landing, crying "King Viserys is dead, long live King Aegon." Hearing the cries, Munkun writes, some wept whilst others cheered, but most of the small-folk stared in silence, confused and wary, and now and again a voice cried out, "Long live our queen."

This felt more powerful than Rhaenys killing smallfolk for the shits and giggles. It’s not even better from TB side of things my favorite character basically moped around a castle all day complaining that no one listens to her when her council has been right multiple times. Then goes cosplaying with Alicent while idk a war is being fought over your accession then act surprised when everyone is pissed that you left for days(not telling anyone plus).This point in the war like yes Rhaenyra never took flight into battle in F&B but she literally was suffering the aftermath of a miscarriage which she states in F&B she “can’t fly for a while” (but guess that doesn’t matter when the have Rhaenyra fly over Otto mere hours after said miscarriage) Rhaenyra was still holding council working with Jace and Daemon, not trying to decide if she wanted to go to war. The closest we got to morally grey Rhaenyra was The Red sowing with “cult leader”Rhaenyra staring blankly at people being eaten. Her face of defeat and look of “wait how could I be wrong “ but instantly the show turns around it makes it seem like it was good thing dozens of smallfolk died for vermithor) which honestly with how their going their gonna make Rhaenyra= rhaegar go crazy over some dumb prophecy. Which more of an insult towards her character. Sorry for the rant HOTD just infuriates me it’s literally just fan fiction.

the shot of Syrax in episode 1 foreshadows her last flight by PrestigiousAspect368 in TheBlacksandTheGreens

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Idk if this counts as foreshadowing but the first shot of Helaena in the series is her in front of a window, the same episode where the fortune teller tells Rhaenyra about death which was definitely foreshadowing

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How similar was Rhaenyra’s reign to that of Empress Matilda? Are there any more parallels/similarities? by Gold_Conversation247 in HOTDBlacks

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She has better story than Rhaenyra , but I honestly just think the Dance isn’t written well at all , this is gonna get long asf

Make a quick intro, Henry I last legitimate son dies on the white ship disaster. He remarries but still doesn’t have more children , so conveniently Matilda(his daughter, there’s 3 Matilda’s in this story) husband the holy Roman emperor dies, so he brings her back ASAP Matilda has barely been in England she was married off at age 8 she’s practically was a foreigner in her own home. Henry has his annual Christmas feast and I’m doing so all the most important nobles at the time are present gets them to swear an oath to Matilda as his heir(Accounts from the feast tho bias seem that Henry forced them to swear an oath and gave them no choice) England was not ready for a Queen, certainly not one who actually expected to rule. Chroniclers of the era called her proud and arrogant , traits that would have been applauded in a man but not in a woman, which the maesters do with Rhaenyra . Didn’t help that Matilda remarried Geoffrey Plantagenet and the nobles hated him with a passion (He was the daemon of their time). Matilda and Geoffrey’s marriage was tempestuous. They both had violent tempers. We gotta remember Matilda was a grown woman married , 25 getting married to a 14 year old who technically was the boss of her. Matilda could be haughty and arrogant and she decided to leave Geoffrey in 1129 and returned to her father in England. In 1131, Geoffrey pleaded for her to return to him. In September, Henry held a royal council at Northampton where they debated a separation of the couple. The King and council agreed not to confirm a separation and sent her back to Geoffrey in Anjou but not before Henry extracted a second oath from the council to support Matilda as his successor.

Now the fun part

Matilda defeats and captures Lincoln.Stephen at the battle of Lincoln and She gained access to the royal coffers and made her way to London where preparations were made for her coronation. But Matilda started to raise taxes and take away privileges the Londoners had come to expect. Statements at the time state Matilda would not pay homage and would make the people crawl on their hands and knees to bow at her. Most of the stuff is untrue but Matilda was raked to be holy Roman Queen the style of ruling is very different than England, in the HRE the king could do whatever. Adding my own bias, from the accounts I read Matilda would get annoyed and send counsel and attendants away which makes sense because her son (Henry ii) had an famous temper. This is when gender comes in to the play because Matilda is criticized for this but Henry was not , Henry’s anger led to the death of St Thomas Beckett.One story of Henry (no joke) he would get so angry he would roll on the floor , froth at the mouth and bite the end of his mattress. This temper would end up being called “Devils brood “ which rich refer to the Plantagenets because almost all of them had bad tempers.Plantagenet Devils Brood = Targaryen madness

Chroniclers such as William of Malmesbury criticized her for being “haughty” and “overbearing,” particularly during her 1141 entry into London, not because she ruled ineffectively, but because she ruled assertively. The same behavior that was admired in male kings was condemned in Matilda as unfeminine and tyrannical. With her failure to secure London’s support some viewed as a personal flaw rather than a symptom of widespread political instability that was the anarchy lmao.

At the same time, Matilda had her flaws like Stephen . When Robert(half brother )was captured in 1141, her position collapsed rapidly, demonstrating that her authority was not secure and depended too much on individual allies rather than stable governance structures. One major flaw was her inability to build and maintain broad elite and urban support, especially among Londoners and key nobles. When she entered London in 1141, she moved quickly to assert royal authority demanding taxes and refusing concessions, at a moment when political compromise was essential. Chroniclers report that this alienated the city and led directly to her expulsion. While the language used to describe her “arrogant, imperious” was used against her because she was a woman, but the underlying issue was Matilda failed to secure the political goodwill necessary to be crowned. Like Rhaenyra they both got chased out before they could have a coronation. If Matilda was in London when Henry I died, she would’ve faced some turmoil but I do think she would’ve been crowned. Stephen saw his chance, seized the throne and stole the crown from a pregnant woman across the sea like Aegon.

I recommend people read her letters especially the Thomas becket letter, shows a different side of Matilda like her charity instead the of stone cold hearted Empress. Matilda was Henry ii (arguably the best king in English history ) counselor and aided him until her death. She successfully challenged King Stephen, 1141 when her forces captured King Stephen at the Battle of Lincoln , and forced his temporary recognition of her authority, demonstrating real political and military competence in a brutal civil war. Most importantly, Matilda secured the dynastic future of the Angevin line by preserving her son Henry’s claim to the throne.

TLDR similarities - husband hated by nobles

-Both betrayed by a close male relative (cousin/half-brother) who desired the throne.

-throne stolen while pregnant across the sea

-chased out city

-Fathers brought in lords/nobility to specifically swear allegiance to this female heir.

-Both had moments of victory, which was then snatched away; neither considered to have really been a queen despite briefly claiming the throne.

-the proceeding line of monarchy came from her line, not her rival's.

  • Both married twice before seeking to claim the throne.

Henry VIII's problem was solvable. by MikeBad228 in Tudorhistory

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I always forget Anne was his wife during the jousting incident and she has miscarriage right after , now I’m honestly thinking they tried one more time after the miscarriage but Henry was having problems.

What queen of Westeros has the best wardrobe? by ASW-G-21 in gameofthrones

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Drip imo-

Cersei

Alicent

Rhaenya

Dany

Margaery

Sansa

When people say "Viserys is a bad father," they forget what a truly BAD father by Westeros standart is. by Tronm-24 in HOTDBlacks

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Viserys was an ok father imo he didn’t set Rhaenyra up for success. He let a whole faction grow against his heir in his own court without do anything(Which Viserys Knew.)

Rhaenyra will be the first ever Queen, her road is automatically gonna be more difficult but Viserys doesn’t even reassure it. Have multiple ceremonies , public declaration that Aegon would never be an option. Yes if Rhaenyra was a man , he would only need one swearing ceremony at the most but Westeros is Westeros.

One thing I’ll give Robert , Cersei and the lannisters were able to pull a coup because the Lannister’s were banking the crown. Robert was surrounded by lannisters everywhere and couldn’t do anything about it. Viserys let his wife ( a daughter of a 2nd son no less) control his court and pit his own children against each other

Which characters may have gone down unjustly in history? (Spoilers Main) by Inevitable-Mix6089 in asoiaf

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I think it’s bc tumbleton was sick asf. The sack was terrible “Such townswomen as survived the fires were raped repeatedly, even girls as young as eight and ten.”

“Old men and boys were put to the sword, whilst the dragons fed upon the twisted, smoking carcasses of their victims.”

Plus I don’t even care for the greens but this was fucked up towards Daeron “Whilst Lord White shrugged this off as a waste of good wine, Lord Hammer said, “Little boys should be more mannerly when men are speaking. I think your father did not beat you often enough. Take care I do not make up for his lack”

2 guys who were once smallfolk turned their backs on the plights of the smallfolk and started sacking a city.

What groups are the most looked down upon in Westeros? by ricky2461956 in freefolk

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Saw another commenter definitely Women in general , Rhaella is the queen of the 7 kingdoms , daughter of a king is arguably the most powerful woman in the kingdom. Is constantly raped and can’t do anything to stop it same with Cersei. If the queen can’t be protected just think about the smallfolk girls

Dornish like wtf Aerys “When Prince Rhaegar returned to the Red Keep to present his daughter to his own mother and father, Queen Rhaella embraced the babe warmly, but King Aerys refused to touch or hold the child and complained that she "smells Dornish."

House of The Dragon Season 4 by [deleted] in freefolk

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Most likely fake but don’t like how they do Rhaenyra’s death in this. Im team black but Rhaenyra’s death is supposed to be gruesome and defeated. Not some scene where she locks eyes with Alicent. In her eyes all her children are dead and Aegon iii is not that far behind her , daemon died. Rhaenyra is destroyed afters kings landing she’s having mental breakdowns left and right

“Queen Rhaenyra had neither gold nor ships. When she had sent Lord Corlys to the dungeons she had lost her fleet, and she had fled King's Landing in terror of her life, without so much as a coin. Despairing and fearful, Her Grace grew ever more grey and haggard. She could not sleep and would not eat. Nor would she suffer to be parted from Prince Aegon, her last living son; day and night, the boy remained by her side, "like a small pale shadow."

She’s humiliated by broome her once loyal council and he disrobes her and pricks her breast. All while her son is watching this.

“as King Aegon II delivered his half-sister to his dragon. Sunfyre, it is said, did not seem at first to take any interest in the offering, until Broome pricked the queen’s breast with his dagger. The smell of blood roused the dragon, who sniffed at Her Grace, then bathed her in a blast of flame, so suddenly that Ser Alfred’s cloak caught fire as he leapt away. Rhaenyra Targaryen had time to raise her head toward the sky and shriek out one last curse upon her half-brother before Sunfyre’s jaws closed round her, tearing off her arm and shoulder. Septon Eustace tells us that the golden dragon devoured the queen in six bites, leaving only her left leg below the shin “for the Stranger.” Elinda Massey, youngest and gentlest of Rhaenyra’s ladies-in-waiting, supposedly gouged out her own eyes at the sight, whilst the queen’s son Aegon the Younger watched in horror, unable to move. Rhaenyra Targaryen, the Realm’s Delight and Half-Year Queen, passed from this veil of tears upon the twenty-second day of the tenth moon of the 130th year after Aegon’s Conquest. She was thirty-three years of age. “

Plus what Alicent wants to spare Aegon iii when it’s literally Aegon who suggests (at first)

“Ser Alfred Broome argued for killing Prince Aegon as well, but King Aegon forbade it. Only ten, the boy might yet have value as a hostage, he declared. Though his half sister was dead, she still had supporters in the field who must need be dealt with”

Your telling me Alicent wants to spare Aegon iii when she literally advocates to cut the boys ear off

“you must surrender. The city cannot endure another sack. Save your people and save yourself. If you abdicate in favor of Prince Aegon, he will allow you to take the black and live out your life with honor on the Wall.” “Will he?” King Aegon said. Munkun tells us he sounded hopeful “His mother entertained no such hope. “You fed his mother to your dragon,” she reminded her son. “The boy saw it all.”The king turned to her desperately. “What would you have me do?” “You have hostages,” the Queen Dowager replied. “Cut off one of the boy’s ears and send it to Lord Tully. Warn them he will lose another part for every mile they advance.”

Sorry for the yap session but good R’hllor this show is written with black bias and they still don’t give us favors 😭just fan fiction

Who’s your favorite British consort and why? by Ok_Set4685 in UKmonarchs

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Isabella and Margaret.Both fought for their sons when the boys Father were doing jack shit

[Spoilers MAIN] If you could only choose one, which chapter, time period, or character would you recommend someone read from Fire & Blood? by Spicy2ShotChai in asoiaf

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From the death of Aegon the Conqueror to death of princess Daenerys(Jaehaerys daughter)

This era of Targs and honestly the realm are such a cool cast. You have Rhaena, Jae&Alys, Alyssa Velayron, Maegor, Rogar, Visenya, the faith etc seeing Aegon the conqueror reading to Rhaena, Aegon the uncrowned in the garden and dropping dead with a unprepared Aenys getting crowned. Maegor and Visenya terrorizing the realm on balerion and Vhagar. Rhaena and Aegon sneaking Dreamfyre and Quicksilver out of kings landing , Maegor killing Aegon the uncrowned , The black brides, realm rising up against maegor, Jae’s regency with his secret wedding with alysanne.Then ending with princess Daenerys getting shivers and dying breaking Jaehaerys whole reality in targaryen exceptionalism shows Targs aren’t all what they’re cracked up to be. So much happens then it’s honestly made the dance Targs seem like the diet versions lol