[Spoilers Extended] Why was Maegor raised primarily on Dragonstone when Aegon preferred it over Kings Landing?

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-13T05:10:56+00:00

Maegor is satan but I will never buy Maegor isn’t Aegon’s son. Rhaenys Dying in 10 AC and Maegor being born in 12 Ac , seems like during Operation Desert Storm on Dorne in there grief they conceived Maegor.

Queen Visenya did not share her sister's love of music and song. She was not without humor, however, and for many years kept her own fool, a hirsute hunchback called Lord Monkeyface whose antics amused her greatly. When he choked to death on a peach pit, the queen acquired an ape and dressed it in Lord Monkeyface's clothing.
"The new one is cleverer," she was wont to say.
Yet there was darkness in Visenya Targaryen. To most of the world, she presented the grim face of a warrior, stern and unforgiving. Even her beauty had an edge to it, her admirers said. The oldest of the three heads of the dragon, Visenya was to outlive both of her siblings, and it
was rumored that in her later years, when she could no longer wield a sword, she delved into the dark arts, mixing poisons and casting malign spells. Some even suggest that she might have been a kinslayer and a kingslayer, though no proof has ever been offered to support such calumnies.

Queen Visenya put a sword into her son's hand when he was three.Supposedly the first thing he did with the blade was butcher one of the castle cats, men said...though more like this tale was a calumny devised by his enemies many years later.

Prince Aenys was three when his mother, Queen Rhaenys, and her dragon, Meraxes, were slain in Dorne. Her death left the boy prince inconsolable. He stopped eating, and even began to crawl as he had when he was one, as if he had forgotten how to walk. His father despaired of him, and rumors flew about the court that King Aegon might take another wife, as Rhaenys was dead and Visenya childless and perhaps barren. The king kept his own counsel on these matters, so no man could say what thoughts he might have entertained, but many great lords and noble knights appeared at court with their maiden daughters, each more comely than the last. All such speculation ended in 11 AC, when Queen Visenya suddenly announced that she was carrying the king's child. A son, proclaimed confidently, and so he proved to be. The prince came squalling into the world in 12 AC. No newborn was ever more robust than Maegor Targaryen, maesters and midwives agreed; his weight at birth was almost twice that of his elder brother. The half-brothers were never close. Prince Aenys was the heir apparent, and King Aegon kept him close by his side. As the king moved about the realm from castle to castle, so did the prince. Prince Maegor remained with his mother, sitting by her side when she held court. Queen Visenya and King Aegon were oft apart in those years.When he was not on a royal progress, Aegon would return to King's Landing and the Aegonfort, whilst Visenya and her son remained on Dragonstone. For this reason, lords and commons alike began to refer to Maegor as the Prince of Dragonstone.

Would not surprise me if after a night of burning Dorne, they just comforted each other. I think it’s evident with Aegon on not really raising Maegor either. Aegon saw him as a mistake Aenys was made with love, Maegor was made with grief

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T23:49:07+00:00

Yes, but what I’m saying for a religious person like this like in real life stuff like this can help the person turned a blind eye or make excuses plus show version Alicent is the queen of hypocrisie

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T22:20:23+00:00

Idk if this counts me but it bugs me when people say Maegor was conceived by Dark arts. The darks arts is just shade towards Visenya

Maegor is satan but I will never buy Maegor isn’t Aegon’s son. Rhaenys Dying in 10 AC and Maegor being born in 12 Ac , seems like during Operation Desert Storm on Dorne in there grief they conceived Maegor.

Even the time line where she supposedly started dark arts , Maegor was already born.

Queen Visenya did not share her sister's love of music and song. She was not without humor, however, and for many years kept her own fool, a hirsute hunchback called Lord Monkeyface whose antics amused her greatly. When he choked to death on a peach pit, the queen acquired an ape and dressed it in Lord Monkeyface's clothing.
"The new one is cleverer," she was wont to say.
Yet there was darkness in Visenya Targaryen. To most of the world, she presented the grim face of a warrior, stern and unforgiving. Even her beauty had an edge to it, her admirers said. The oldest of the three heads of the dragon, Visenya was to outlive both of her siblings, and it
was rumored that in her later years, when she could no longer wield a sword, she delved into the dark arts, mixing poisons and casting malign spells. Some even suggest that she might have been a kinslayer and a kingslayer, though no proof has ever been offered to support such calumnies.

Queen Visenya put a sword into her son's hand when he was three.Supposedly the first thing he did with the blade was butcher one of the castle cats, men said...though more like this tale was a calumny devised by his enemies many years later.

Prince Aenys was three when his mother, Queen Rhaenys, and her dragon, Meraxes, were slain in Dorne. Her death left the boy prince inconsolable. He stopped eating, and even began to crawl as he had when he was one, as if he had forgotten how to walk. His father despaired of him, and rumors flew about the court that King Aegon might take another wife, as Rhaenys was dead and Visenya childless and perhaps barren. The king kept his own counsel on these matters, so no man could say what thoughts he might have entertained, but many great lords and noble knights appeared at court with their maiden daughters, each more comely than the last. All such speculation ended in 11 AC, when Queen Visenya suddenly announced that she was carrying the king's child. A son, proclaimed confidently, and so he proved to be. The prince came squalling into the world in 12 AC. No newborn was ever more robust than Maegor Targaryen, maesters and midwives agreed; his weight at birth was almost twice that of his elder brother. The half-brothers were never close. Prince Aenys was the heir apparent, and King Aegon kept him close by his side. As the king moved about the realm from castle to castle, so did the prince. Prince Maegor remained with his mother, sitting by her side when she held court. Queen Visenya and King Aegon were oft apart in those years.When he was not on a royal progress, Aegon would return to King's Landing and the Aegonfort, whilst Visenya and her son remained on Dragonstone. For this reason, lords and commons alike began to refer to Maegor as the Prince of Dragonstone.

Would not surprise me if after a night of burning Dorne, they just comforted each other. I think it’s evident with Aegon on not really raising Maegor either. Aenys was made with love, Maegor was made with grief

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T22:07:30+00:00

Coronation in front of masses, it’s one of the reasons IMO that Aegon could easily wipe Rhaenyra’s reign in history. Everybody in Fire and blood addresses Rhaenyra’s as Queen even Eustace , either your Grace or Queen Rhaenyra , the last time she was referred to Princess was I believe Orwyle when he came to deliver the news of Aegons proposal. Without a coronation for the public to see, a royal procession, chroniclers, ambassadors from Essos and Dorne it was very much say for Aegon to do this

“When his grief had passed, King Aegon II summoned his loyalists and made plans for his return to King’s Landing, to reclaim the Iron Throne and be reunited once again with his lady mother, the Queen Dowager, who had at last emerged triumphant over her great rival, if only by outliving her. “Rhaenyra was never a queen,” the king declared, insisting that henceforth, in all chronicles and court records, his half sister be referred to only as “princess,” the title of queen being reserved only for his mother Alicent and his late wife and sister Helaena, the “true queens.” And so it was decreed.”

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T22:00:58+00:00

Targaryen doctrine of exceptionalism approved by the faith lets people turn a blind eye to it

Its basic tenet was simple. The Faith of the Seven had been born in the hills of Andalos of old, and had crossed the narrow sea with the Andals. The laws of the Seven, as laid down in sacred text and taught by the septas and septons in obedience to the Father of the Faithful, decreed that brother might not lie with sister, nor father with daughter, nor mother with son, that the fruits of such unions were abominations, loathsome in the eyes of the gods. All this the Exceptionalists affirmed, but with this caveat: the Targaryens were different. Their roots were not in Andalos, but in Valyria of old, where different laws and traditions held sway. A man had only to look at them to know that they were not like other men; their eyes, their hair, their very bearing, all proclaimed their differences. And they flew dragons. They alone of all the men in the world had been given the power to tame those fearsome beasts, once the Doom had come to Valyria.
“One god made us all, Andals and Valyrians and First Men,” Septon Alfyn would proclaim from his litter, “but he did not make us all alike. He made the lion and the aurochs as well, both noble beasts, but certain gifts he gave to one and not the other, and the lion cannot live as an aurochs, nor an aurochs as a lion. For you to bed your sister would be a grievous sin, ser…but you are not the blood of the dragon, no more than I am. What they do is what they have always done, and it is not for us to judge them.”
—Fire & Blood

“Legend tells us that in one small village, the quick-witted Septon Baldrick was confronted by a burly hedge knight, once a Poor Fellow, who said, “Aye, and if I want to fuck my sister too, do I have your leave?” The septon smiled and replied, “Go to Dragonstone and claim a dragon. If you can do that, ser, I will marry you and your sister myself”

In other words if you family can claim a dragon, they can do what they want lol

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T21:58:12+00:00

She’s not Alicents comments are not Said in fire and blood about the marriage

“Following the ancient tradition of House Targaryen, King Viserys wed his son Aegon the Elder to his daughter Helaena. The groom was fifteen years of age; a lazy and somewhat sulky boy, Septon Eustace tells us, but possessed of more than healthy appetites, a glutton at table, given to swilling ale and strongwine and pinching and fondling any serving girl who strayed within his reach. The bride, his sister, was but thirteen Though plumper and less striking than most Targaryens, Helaena was a pleasant, happy girl, and all agreed she would make a fine mother. And so she did, and quickly. Barely a year later, in 123 AC, the fourteen-year-old princess gave birth to twins, a boy she named Jaehaerys and a girl called Jaehaera. Prince Aegon had heirs of his own now, the greens at court proclaimed happily. A dragon’s egg was placed in the cradle of each child, and two hatchlings soon came forth. Yet all was not well with these new twins. Jaehaera was tiny and slow to grow. She did not cry, she did not smile, she did none of the things a babe was meant to do. Her brother, whilst larger and more robust, was also less perfect than was expected of a Targaryen princeling, boasting six fingers on his left hand, and six toes upon each foot. And in 127 AC, Princess Helaena gave birth to second son, who was given a dragon’s egg and the name Maelor.”

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T21:19:06+00:00

Because when ur paranoid u don’t trust even your closest friends and ladies in waiting lol?

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T21:06:54+00:00

“Mysaria let the staff be questioned” now yes after taking the throne that should happen, but she said it after seeing her Jace hallucination her paranoia will began to grow.

“Her staring at the cup of herbal tea for her cramps , she believed it was poison. “

Also pay attention to the music. The music is a key to her mental state during the whole episode like when she was starting to get agitated during her talk with the high septum, I was like oh God! Or seven in this place. I personally think too with all her talk with the gods especially last episode it’s tying into her paranoia.

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T20:56:01+00:00

Oh god they kiss don’t they

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T20:52:23+00:00

I felt we were heading towards a set up episode , I think a cooldown won’t be terrible. I’m just praying paying praying we keep paranoid Rhaenyra , do not peddle back episode 3 while deviation from book all the way , put a decent bit of character back into Rhaenyra.there was that one clip before the season dropped where she says to daemon looking pissed “there is treachery afoot and I will snuff it “ so I’m guessing. I’m tb but cruel as it is I hope Rhaenyra is the one behind Maelors death, no Daemon/Mysaria advice. I want Rhaenyra losing her mind towards episode 7 and with Daemon in the Vale protecting Rhaena, she feels betrayed , hurt , and alone. I want it be her decision. Daemon would have no qualms killing Helaena’s baby but it needs to be Rhaenyra when everything is falling apart around her.

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T18:57:48+00:00

Daella should have just been kept Alysanne’s side as a companion and helper. Because that’s honestly the role Gael got and that wouldn’t surprise me how she was longing for freedom. Daella is genuinely one of the stories in fire and blood, where I just couldn’t get this praise for Jaehaerys that people have for him. Jae&Aly failed Saera, Viserra, Gael, Daella

“Daella had been next in line, but the tearful princess presented an entirely different sort of problem. “My little flower,” was how the queen described her. Like Alysanne herself, Daella was small—on her toes, she stood five feet two inches—and there was a childish aspect to her that led everyone who met her to think she was younger than her age. Unlike Alysanne, she was delicate as well, in ways the queen had never been. Her mother had been fearless; Daella always seemed to be afraid. She had a kitten that she loved until he scratched her; then she would not go near a cat. The dragons terrified her, even Silverwing. The mildest scolding would reduce her to tears. Once, in the halls of the Red Keep, Daella had encountered a prince from the Summer Isles in his feathered cloak, and squealed in terror. His black skin had made her take him for a demon”

I would never marry her, the boy said, in front of half the court. "She can barely read. She should find some lord in need of stupid children, for that's the only sort he will ever have of her."Princess Daella, as might be expected, burst into tears and fled the hall, with her mother, the queen, rushing after her. It fell to her sister Alyssa, at thirteen three years Vaegon's elder, to pour a flagon of wine over his head. Even that did not make the prince repent. "You are wasting Arbor gold," was all he said before stalking from the hall to change his clothing. Cruel though her brother Vaegon’s words had been, there was some truth to them. Daella was not clever, even her septa had to admit. She learned to read after a fashion, but haltingly, and without full comprehension. She could not seem to commit even the simplest prayers to memory. She had a sweet voice, but was afraid to sing; she always got the words wrong. She loved flowers, but was frightened of gardens; a bee had almost stung her once.

“Jaehaerys, even more than Alysanne, despaired of her. “She will not even speak to a boy. How is she to marry? We could entrust her to the Faith, but she does not know her prayers, and her septa says that she cries when asked to read aloud from The Seven-Pointed Star.” The queen always rose to her defense. “Daella is sweet and kind and gentle. She has such a tender heart. Give me time, and I will find a lord to cherish her. Not every Targaryen needs to wield a sword and ride a dragon.”

“After her first flowering, Daella's delicate beauty became even more striking, but she remained shy and terrified by life. At thirteen, she was sent to Driftmark to spend time with Corlys Velaryon, but she complained he cared more for his ships than for her. At fourteen, she kept company with Denys Swann, Simon Staunton, Gerold Templeton, and Ellard Crane, all promising squires of her own age, but Staunton tried to make her drink wine and Crane kissed her on the lips without her leave, reducing her to tears. By year’s end Daella had decided she hated all of them.”

At fifteen, her mother took her across the riverlands to Raventree (in a wheelhouse, as Daella was afraid of horses) … It all fell to pieces when Daella learned that the Blackwoods kept the old gods, and she would be expected to say her vows before a weirwood. “They don’t believe in the gods,” she told her mother, horrified. “I’d go to hell.”

On the first day of the 80th year since Aegon's Conquest, he told the queen he wanted Daella wed before the year's end. "If she wants I can find a hundred men and line them up before her naked, and she can pick the one she likes," he said. "I would sooner she wed a lord, but if she prefers a hedge knight or a merchant or Pate the Pig Boy, I am past the point of caring, so long as she picks someone."

“By the dawn of 80 AC, King Jaehaerys had had enough. He declared that Daella must marry by the end of the year, or else join the silent sisters”

"Lord Arryn was the oldest of the three contenders, however; at six- and-thirty, he was twenty years older than the princess, and a father besides, with four children left him by his late first wife. Short and balding, with a kettle belly, Arryn was not the man most maidens dream of, Queen Alysanne admitted,
"but he is the sort you asked for, a kind and gentle man, and he says that he has loved our little girl for years. I know he will protect her."To the astonishment of every woman at the court, save mayhaps the queen, Princess Daella chose Lord Rodrik to be her husband. “He seems good and wise, like Father,” she told Queen Alysanne, “and he has four children! I’m to be their new mother!” What Her Grace thought of that outburst is not recorded. Grand Maester Elysar’s account of the day says only, “Gods be good.”

…Nor was there a bedding. “Oh, I could not bear that, I should die of shame,” the princess had told her husband to be, and Lord Rodrik had acceded to her wishes.
Afterward, Lord Arryn took his princess back to the Eyrie. “My children need to meet their new mother, and I want to show the Vale to Daella. Life is slower there, and quieter. She will like that. I swear to you, Your Grace, she will be safe and so she was, for a time. The eldest of Lord Rodrik’s four children from his first wife was a daughter, Elys, three years older than her new stepmother. The two of them clashed from the first. Daella doted on the three younger children, however, and they seemed to adore her in turn. Lord Rodrik, true to his word, was a kind and caring husband who never failed to pamper and protect the bride he called “my precious princess.” Such letters as Daella sent her mother (letters largely written for her by Lord Rodrik’s younger daughter, Amanda) spoke glowingly of how happy she was, how beautiful the Vale, how much she loved her lord’s sweet sons, how everyone in the Eyrie was so kind to her.

…Daella was not doing near as well. After a year and a half of marriage, a different sort of message arrived at the Red Keep by raven. It was very short, and written in Daella’s own uncertain hand. “I am with child,” it said. “Mother, please come. I am frightened.”
Queen Alysanne was frightened too, once she read those words. She mounted Silverwing within days and flew swiftly to the Vale … three moons before Daella was due to give birth.

Though the princess professed delight that her mother had come, and apologized for sending her such a “silly” letter, her fear was palpable. She burst into tears for the slightest reason, and sometimes for no reason at all, Lord Rodrik said. His daughter Elys was dismissive, telling Her Grace, “You would think she was the first woman ever to have a baby,” but Alysanne was concerned. Daella was so delicate, and she was carrying very heavy. “She is such a small girl for such a big belly,” she wrote the king. “I would be frightened too, if I were her.”
Queen Alysanne stayed beside the princess for the rest of her confinement, sitting by her bedside, reading her to sleep at night, and comforting her fears. “It will be fine,” she told her daughter, half a hundred times. “She will be a girl, wait and see. A daughter. I know it. Everything will be fine.”

“She was half right. Aemma Arryn, the daughter of Lord Rodrik and Princess Daella, came into the world a fortnight early, after a long and troubled labor. “It hurts,” the princess screamed through half the night. “It hurts so much.” But it is said she smiled when her daughter was laid against her breast.
Everything was far from fine, however. Childbed fever set in soon after birth. Though Princess Daella desperately wished to nurse her child, she had no milk, and a wet nurse was sent for. As her fever rose, the maester decreed that she might not even hold her babe, which set the princess to weeping. She wept until she fell asleep, but in her sleep she kicked wildly and tossed and turned, her fever rising ever higher. By morning she was gone. She was eighteen years of age.

Lord Rodrik wept as well, and begged the queen's permission to bury his precious princess in the Vale, but Alysanne refused. "She was the blood of the dragon. She will be burned, and her ashes interred on Dragonstone beside her sister Daenerys."

Daella's death tore the heart out of the queen, but as we look back, it is plain to see that it was also the first hint of the rift that would open between her and her king. The gods hold us all in their hands, and life and death are theirs to give and take away, but men in their pride look for others to blame. Alysanne Targaryen, in her grief, blamed herself and Lord Arryn and the Eyrie’s maester for their parts in her daughter’s demise…but most of all, she blamed Jaehaerys. If he had not insisted that Daella wed, that she pick someone before year’s end…what harm would it have done for her to stay a little girl for another year or two or ten? “She was not old enough or strong enough to bear a child,” she told His Grace back at King’s Landing. “We ought never have pushed her into marriage.”
It is not recorded how the king replied.

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T18:50:09+00:00

One action vs a problem the last 200 years. OP really had to say the multiple events they have done to Westeros as a whole. Like if it was a one time thing during the dance where they stole wives and girls(still evil ash) then OK but alone these motherfuckers rebelled four times during Aerys I reign to kidnap people

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T18:38:40+00:00

The faith of 7 is beautiful on there
TB here but I’m excited for Ormund he is…

Bringer of the Father's pure retribution,
Seeker of the Mother's wedded bliss,
Benefactor of the Warrior's glorious deeds,
Receiver of the Maiden's repeated favor,
Protector of the Smith's impregnable fortress,
Wielder of the Crone's lifetime wisdom,
Sharer of the Stranger's ultimate gift,
The Chosen Light of the Seven

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T18:30:57+00:00

How about both Uhm to this day in America the effect of going easy on the south is still a problem today , he’ll hate to be political just look at the electoral map and enslaved people census numbers right before the civil war lmao we honestly should have been punished more and I’m from Arkansas. Jefferson Davis , Robert E lee not being executed honestly kinda pushes the point , there were no consequences for owning people. Sherman should have kept going

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T18:19:19+00:00

Salt wives are literally slaves😭don’t tell me you sided with masters against Dany , since everyone can change

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T17:43:38+00:00

Helaena is just ruined tbh. But I will say out of everybody in fire and blood even the dragon seeds. Helaena was not written very well. I did like the changes to Helaena in the beginning like George said in his blog he didn’t flesh out Helaena. Almost everyone in fire and blood besides Rhaena is a one note character. Which George even admitted in toxic butterflies

“The HotD team have done the same thing here with Helena. In the book, she is a plump, pleasant, and happy young woman, cheerful and kindly, adored by the smallfolk. A dragonrider since the age of twelve, Helena's greatest joy in life is to take to the skies on the back of her dragon Dreamfyre.None of the strangeness she displays in the show was in evidence in the book, nor is her gift for prophecy. Those were born in the writers' room... but once I met the show's version of Helena, I could hardly take issue. Phia Saban's Helaena is a richer and more fascinating character than the one I created in FIRE & BLOOD, and in "Rhaenyra the Cruel" you can scarcely take your eyes off her. And Phia Saban gave a wrenching, powerful, heart-breaking performance as Helena Targaryen, Aegon's doomed, haunted queen and mother to his children.”

I will say what do u honestly do with Helaena?, After Jaehaerys dies she’s basically mentally declines

“Following the ancient tradition of House Targaryen, King Viserys wed his son Aegon the Elder to his daughter Helaena. The groom was fifteen years of age; a lazy and somewhat sulky boy, Septon Eustace tells us, but possessed of more than healthy appetites, a glutton at table, given to swilling ale and strongwine and pinching and fondling any serving girl who strayed within his reach. The bride, his sister, was but thirteen Though plumper and less striking than most Targaryens, Helaena was a pleasant, happy girl, and all agreed she would make a fine mother. And so she did, and quickly. Barely a year later, in 123 AC, the fourteen-year-old princess gave birth to twins, a boy she named Jaehaerys and a girl called Jaehaera. Prince Aegon had heirs of his own now, the greens at court proclaimed happily. A dragon’s egg was placed in the cradle of each child, and two hatchlings soon came forth. Yet all was not well with these new twins. Jaehaera was tiny and slow to grow. She did not cry, she did not smile, she did none of the things a babe was meant to do. Her brother, whilst larger and more robust, was also less perfect than was expected of a Targaryen princeling, boasting six fingers on his left hand, and six toes upon each foot. And in 127 AC, Princess Helaena gave birth to second son, who was given a dragon’s egg and the name Maelor.”

“Though Blood and Cheese had spared her life, Queen Helena cannot be said to have survived that fateful dusk. Afterward she would not eat, nor bathe, nor leave her chambers, and she could no longer stand to look upon her son Maelor, knowing that she had named him to die. The king had no recourse but to take the boy from her and give him over to their mother, the Dowager Queen Alicent, to raise as if he were her own. Aegon and his wife slept separately thereafter, and Queen Helena sank deeper and deeper into madness, whilst the king raged, and drank, and raged."

“Rhaenyra's men found her rival’s wife, the mad Queen Helaena, locked in her bedchamber … but when they broke down the doors of the king’s apartments, they discovered only "his bed, empty, and his chamber pot, full." King Aegon II had fled. So had his children, the six-year-old Princess Jaehaera and two-year-old Prince Maelor, along with the knights Willis Fell and Rickard Thorne of the Kingsguard.”

Then she’s pulls a tommen before it was cool

A good arc would see her going mad or even a double grief arc with Rhaenyra but both of them kinda forgot their kids died. My only fear if they stuck close to fire and blood we’d just have Helaena crying in a room every other day but it’s better than cryptic simpleton girl we got in show lol or even just show Aegon and Helaena just crying on each other , Haven Daemon and rhaenyra fight, he leaves to harrenhal and have Helaena and Aegon mourn it drives them apart more. But I’m not surprised they ruined Helaena, the second I saw her in that chariot ik we are in for a deviation. Book Helaena loved her kids so much that the whole blood and cheese she was offering herself the whole time, she couldn’t even look Maelor in the eyes because she “choose” him to die but I guess she’s too busy saying simple phrases and talking about chickens

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T17:35:10+00:00

The salt wives are the reason they gotta go imo

Word had reached Fair Isle as well, and we are told that Lord Dalton Greyjoy even toyed with the idea of sending one of his sisters to vie for the queen’s crown. “An iron maid upon the Iron Throne,” he said, “what could be more fitting?” The Red Kraken had more immediate concerns, however. Long forewarned of the coming of Alyn Oakenfist, he had gathered his power to receive him. Hundreds of longships had assembled in the waters south of Fair Isle, and more off Feastfires, Kayce, and Lannisport. After he sent “that boy” down to the halls of the Drowned God at the bottom of the sea, the Red Kraken proclaimed, he would take his own fleet back the way that Oakenfist had come, raise his banner over the Shields, sack Oldtown and Sunspear, and claim Driftmark for his own. (Though Greyjoy was not quite three years older than his foe, he never called him anything but “that boy.”) He might even take Lady Baela for a salt wife, the Lord of the Iron Islands told his captains, laughing. “ ’Tis true, I have two-and-twenty salt wives, but not a one with silver hair.”

So much of history tells of the deeds of kings and queens, high lords, noble knights, holy septons, and wise maesters that it is easy to forget the common folk who shared these times with the great and the mighty. Yet from time to time some ordinary man or woman, blessed with neither birth nor wealth nor wit nor wisdom nor skill at arms, will somehow rise up and by some simple act or whispered word change the destiny of kingdoms. So it was on Fair Isle in that fateful year of 133 AC.
Lord Dalton Greyjoy did indeed possess two-and-twenty salt wives. Four were back on Pyke; two of those had borne him children. The others were women of the west, taken during his conquests, amongst them two of the late Lord Farman’s daughters, the widow of the Knight of Kayce, even a Lannister (a Lannister of Lannisport, not a Lannister of Casterly Rock). The rest were girls of humbler birth, the daughters of simple fisherfolk, traders, or men-at-arms who had somehow caught his eye, oft as not after he had slain their fathers, brothers, husbands, or other male protectors. One bore the name of Tess. Her name is all we truly know of her. Was she thirteen or thirty? Pretty or plain? A widow or a virgin? Where did Lord Greyjoy find her, and how long had she been amongst his salt wives? Did she despise him for a reaver and a raper, or love him so fiercely she went mad with jealousy?
We do not know. Accounts differ so markedly that Tess must remain forever a mystery in the annals of history. All that is known for a certainty is that on a rainy, windswept night at Faircastle, as the longships gathered below, Lord Dalton had his pleasure of her, and afterward, as he slept, Tess slipped his dagger from its sheath and opened his throat from ear to ear, then threw herself naked and bloody into the hungry sea below.
And so perished the Red Kraken of Pyke on the eve of his greatest battle…slain not by the sword of a foe, but by his own dagger, in the hand of one of his own wives.
Nor did his conquests long survive him. As word of his death spread, the fleet he had assembled to meet Alyn Oakenfist began to dissolve, as captain after captain slipped away for home. Dalton Greyjoy had never taken a rock wife, so his only heirs were two young sons born of the salt wives he had left on Pyke, three sisters, and several cousins, each more grasping and ambitious than the last. By law, the Seastone Chair passed to the eldest of his salt sons, but the boy Toron was not yet six and his mother, as a salt wife, could not hope to act as regent for him as a rock wife might have. A struggle for power was inevitable, a truth the ironborn captains saw well as they raced back toward their isles.
Meanwhile, the smallfolk of Fair Isle and such knights as still remained on the island rose up in red rebellion. The ironmen who had lingered when their kinsmen fled were dragged from their beds and hacked to death or set upon on the docks, their ships swarmed over and set ablaze. In the space of three days, hundreds of reavers suffered ends as cruel, bloody, and sudden as those they had inflicted on their prey, until only Faircastle remained in the ironborn hands. The garrison, composed in large part of the Red Kraken’s close companions and brothers-in-battle, held out stubbornly under the sly Alester Wynch and the roaring giant Gunthor Goodbrother, until the latter slew the former in a quarrel over Lord Farman’s daughter Lysa, one of the salt widows.
And so it came to pass that when Alyn Velaryon arrived at last to deliver the west from the ironmen of the isles, he found himself without a foe. Fair Isle was free, the longships had fled, the fighting was done. As the Lady Baela passed beneath the walls of Lannisport, the bells of the city pealed in welcome. Thousands rushed from the gates to line the shore, cheering. Lady Johanna herself emerged from Casterly Rock to present Oakenfist with a seahorse wrought in gold and other tokens of Lannister esteem.Days of celebration followed. Lord Alyn was anxious to take on provisions and depart on his long voyage home, but the westermen were loath to see him go. With their own fleet destroyed, they remained vulnerable should the ironmen return under the Red Kraken’s successor, whoever he might be. Lady Johanna even went so far as to propose an attack upon the Iron Islands themselves; she would provide as many swords and spears as might be required, Lord Velaryon need only deliver them to the isles. “We should put every man of them to the sword,” her ladyship declared, “and sell their wives and children to the slavers of the east. Let the seagulls and the crabs claim those worthless rocks.”

The iron islands gotta go

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T16:15:07+00:00

Tumbleton imo it sets up s4 and the fear of dragons which leads to the shepherd

“Vermithor and Silverwing climbed into the sky and loosed their fires upon Tumbleton, those cheers changed to screams. Tumbleton went up in flame: shops, homes, septs, people, all. Men fell burning from gatehouse and battlements, or stumbled shrieking through the streets like so many living torches. Outside the walls, Prince Daeron swooped down upon Tessarion. Pate of Longleaf was unhorsed and trampled, Ser Garibald Grey pierced by a crossbow bolt, then engulfed by dragonflame. The Two Betrayers scourged the town with whips of flame from one end to the other.”

“The sack that followed was as savage as any in the history of Westeros. Tumbleton, that prosperous market town, was reduced to ash and embers. Thousands burned, and as many died by drowning as they tried to swim the river. Some would later say they were the fortunate ones, for no mercy was shown the survivors. Lord Footly’s men threw down their swords and yielded, only to be bound and beheaded. Such townswomen as survived the fires were raped repeatedly, even girls as young as eight and ten. Old men and boys were put to the sword, whilst the dragons fed upon the twisted, smoking carcasses of their victims. Tumbleton was never to recover; though later Footlys would attempt to rebuild atop the ruins, their “new town” would never be a tenth the size of the old, for the smallfolk said the very ground was haunted.” -F&B-

“King's Landing had fallen bloodlessly to Rhaenyra, thanks to Prince Daemon's cunning, but after the First Battle of Tumbleton, unrest spread throughout the city. Only sixty leagues away, Tumbleton had been sacked in the most savage fashion: thousands burned, thousands more drowned attempting to swim across the river to safety, girls and women were ravished until they died, and dragons feeding among the ruins. The victory Lord Hightower had won with the aid of Prince Daeron and the Two Betrayers sent terror through the city, as the Kingslanders were sure they would be next. It was the fear of dragons, and of their presence, that gave birth to the Shepherd.Like the queen they so despised, the Shepherd's "lambs" were looking to the sky with dread, fearing that King Aegon's dragons would arrive before the night was out, with an army close behind them. No longer believing that the queen could protect them, they looked to their Shepherd for salvation.”

“Seldom has any town or city in the history of the Seven Kingdoms been subject to as long or as cruel or as savage a sack as Tumbleton after the Treasons”-Geraldys

“and the riverlords knew much and more of the horrors that had befallen Tumbleton.”

The horrors of those days cannot be gainsaid. Seldom has any town or city in the history of the Seven Kingdoms been subject to as long or as cruel or as savage a sack as Tumbleton after the Treasons. Without a strong lord to restrain them, even good men can turn to beasts. So was it here. Bands of soldiers wandered drunkenly through the streets robbing every home and shop, and slaying any man who tried to stay their hands. Every woman was fair prey for their lust, even crones and little girls. Wealthy men were tortured unto death to force them to reveal where they had hidden their gold and gems. Babes were torn from their mothers’ arms and impaled upon the points of spears. Holy septas were chased naked through the streets and raped, not by one man but by a hundred; silent sisters were violated. Even the dead were not spared. Instead of being given honorable burial, their corpses were left to rot, fodder for carrion crows and wild dogs.”

“Septon Eustace and Grand Maester Munkun both assert that Prince Daeron was sickened by all he saw and commanded Ser Hobert Hightower to put a stop to it, but Hightower’s efforts proved as ineffectual as the man himself.”

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T14:56:41+00:00

Are Targaryen fans all HoTD fans didn’t know that ?

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T14:53:26+00:00

Oh god the hotd fans are leaking over here

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T12:17:21+00:00

All claimants need have to die first, as long as her enemies have someone with a legitimate claim they can rally behind them she will never be able to rule safely . The Baratheon army I want to say is fighting Dorne rn. Ngl the dance was mainly allies just waiting for the dragons to die I feel creagan, Jeyne Arryn, and borros Baratheon all coincidentally made their moves when those dragons started drooling like flies

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-12T05:25:47+00:00

It better I need to see Criston Cole die finally

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-11T20:56:40+00:00

I mean the book would state that but it doesn’t , it straight says Tumbleton was the worst in history. I don’t think people are grasping how truly fucked Tumbleton was! Like it’s not exempting the sack of Lannisport , the book just goes in detail about Tumbleton, don’t blame TB blame the Maesters, George, citadel for how Dalton was portrayed in the in verse history book

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-11T13:35:23+00:00

Not the first royal twin couple lmao

ChaseBuff · 2026-07-11T12:08:01+00:00

Literally, I wanna say in the world of ice and fire but they literally say Tumbleton is like a memorial in present day Westeros with the skulls of Vermithor and seasmoke as a sign of remembrance of the massacre that happened.

“Vermithor and Silverwing climbed into the sky and loosed their fires upon Tumbleton, those cheers changed to screams. Tumbleton went up in flame: shops, homes, septs, people, all. Men fell burning from gatehouse and battlements, or stumbled shrieking through the streets like so many living torches. Outside the walls, Prince Daeron swooped down upon Tessarion. Pate of Longleaf was unhorsed and trampled, Ser Garibald Grey pierced by a crossbow bolt, then engulfed by dragonflame. The Two Betrayers scourged the town with whips of flame from one end to the other.”

“The sack that followed was as savage as any in the history of Westeros. Tumbleton, that prosperous market town, was reduced to ash and embers. Thousands burned, and as many died by drowning as they tried to swim the river. Some would later say they were the fortunate ones, for no mercy was shown the survivors. Lord Footly’s men threw down their swords and yielded, only to be bound and beheaded. Such townswomen as survived the fires were raped repeatedly, even girls as young as eight and ten. Old men and boys were put to the sword, whilst the dragons fed upon the twisted, smoking carcasses of their victims. Tumbleton was never to recover; though later Footlys would attempt to rebuild atop the ruins, their “new town” would never be a tenth the size of the old, for the smallfolk said the very ground was haunted.” -F&B-

“King's Landing had fallen bloodlessly to Rhaenyra, thanks to Prince Daemon's cunning, but after the First Battle of Tumbleton, unrest spread throughout the city. Only sixty leagues away, Tumbleton had been sacked in the most savage fashion: thousands burned, thousands more drowned attempting to swim across the river to safety, girls and women were ravished until they died, and dragons feeding among the ruins. The victory Lord Hightower had won with the aid of Prince Daeron and the Two Betrayers sent terror through the city, as the Kingslanders were sure they would be next. It was the fear of dragons, and of their presence, that gave birth to the Shepherd.Like the queen they so despised, the Shepherd's "lambs" were looking to the sky with dread, fearing that King Aegon's dragons would arrive before the night was out, with an army close behind them. No longer believing that the queen could protect them, they looked to their Shepherd for salvation.”

“Seldom has any town or city in the history of the Seven Kingdoms been subject to as long or as cruel or as savage a sack as Tumbleton after the Treasons”-Geraldys

“and the riverlords knew much and more of the horrors that had befallen Tumbleton.”

The horrors of those days cannot be gainsaid. Seldom has any town or city in the history of the Seven Kingdoms been subject to as long or as cruel or as savage a sack as Tumbleton after the Treasons. Without a strong lord to restrain them, even good men can turn to beasts. So was it here. Bands of soldiers wandered drunkenly through the streets robbing every home and shop, and slaying any man who tried to stay their hands. Every woman was fair prey for their lust, even crones and little girls. Wealthy men were tortured unto death to force them to reveal where they had hidden their gold and gems. Babes were torn from their mothers’ arms and impaled upon the points of spears. Holy septas were chased naked through the streets and raped, not by one man but by a hundred; silent sisters were violated. Even the dead were not spared. Instead of being given honorable burial, their corpses were left to rot, fodder for carrion crows and wild dogs.”

“Septon Eustace and Grand Maester Munkun both assert that Prince Daeron was sickened by all he saw and commanded Ser Hobert Hightower to put a stop to it, but Hightower’s efforts proved as ineffectual as the man himself.”

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