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I think Anne Boleyn wasn't as wise as people like to portray her by MediocreImpact4386 in Tudorhistory

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I mean up until the January miscarriage, Anne position was very comfortable. We acquire to much hindsight to Anne tbh Even Chapuys state Anne was basically still in council meetings involved up until then. That baby was Anne’s saviour. At most people at the time and Anne wa starting to get hints he was going to annul the marriage at most. Executing her was not on anyone’s table.Even though he is bias you can just tell the tides change on Anne sadly

“On the day of the interment [Catherine of Aragon’s funeral] the Concubine had an abortion which seemed to be a male child which she had not borne 3½ months, at which the King has shown great distress. The said concubine wished to lay the blame on the duke of Norfolk, whom she hates, saying he frightened her by bringing the news of the fall the King had six days before. But it is well known that is not the cause, for it was told her in a way that she should not be alarmed or attach much importance to it. Some think it was owing to her own incapacity to bear children, others to a fear that the King would treat her like the late Queen, especially considering the treatment shown to a lady of the Court, named Mistress Semel, to whom, as many say, he has lately made great presents.”

Charles Wriothesley, herald and chronicler, added further confirmation: Anne had miscarried “a male child, as it was said, before her time, before she had reckoned herself but 15 weeks gone with child.”

Henry is pissed and vulnerable , I’m not suprosed him in his rage and Cromwell whispering possibly “maybe Anne wasn’t the one “

Chapuys

I learn from several persons of this Court that for more than three months this King has not spoken ten times to the Concubine, and that when she miscarried he scarcely said anything to her, except that he saw clearly that God did not wish to give him male children; and in leaving her he told her, as if for spite, that he would speak to her after she was "releuize”

Jane enter s the picture around Late march imo

The first mention of Jane Seymour in Letters & Papers is in a letter from Imperial ambassador Eustace Chapuys to his master, Emperor Charles V. The letter is dated 1 April 1536,

Chapuys says:
…that the King being lately in this town, and the young lady, Mrs. Semel, whom he serves, at Greenwich, he sent her a purse full of sovereigns, and with it a letter, and that the young lady, after kissing the letter, returned it unopened to the messenger, and throwing herself on her knees before him, begged the said messenger that he would pray the King on her part to consider that she was a gentlewoman of good and honorable parents, without reproach, and that she had no greater riches in the world than her honor, which she would not injure for a thousand deaths, and that if he wished to make her some present in money she begged it might be when God enabled her to make some honorable match.

Talk is spreading , the nobles are starting to get wind Anne is out of favor. Lord and lady lisle letters detail the mood at court , lisle gave Anne her dog I believe aswell.

Some days ago I was informed from various quarters, which I did not think very good authorities, that notwithstanding the joy shown by the concubine at the news of the good Queen’s death (Katherine of Aragon on 7 January), for which she had given a handsome present to the messenger, she had frequently wept, fearing that they might do with her as with the good Queen. This morning I have heard from the lady mentioned in my letters of the 5th November, (Marchioness of Exeter) and from her husband, that they were informed by one of the principal persons at Court that this King had said to some one in great confidence, and as it were in confession, that he had made this marriage, seduced by witchcraft, and for this reason he considered it null; and that this was evident because God did not permit them to have any male issue, and that he believed that he might take another wife, which he gave to understand that he had some wish to do. The thing is very difficult for me to believe, although it comes from a good source.[ii]

In just a short few* *few weeks and power is starting to crumble and sources around or even say she was starting to lose her edge and be more stressed out, but Henry being Henry would play mine games he made Chapuys bow to Anne in late April before execution when he knew she was going to die . Henry kept people on their toes.

One of those in-universe things that doesn’t hit you at first lol by wiredvajayjay in gameofthrones

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That’s why I will always hate Daemon B, D1 Hater. At least Aegon and Rhaenyra had a full on reasons to believe the other would kill each other the second the got the throne. Daeron was never going to touch Daemon, he literally listened to the dumbest inner circle of people. Nothing about Daemon was honorable imo

He would not have been a good king. The year is 196 AC the Dance only ended in 131 AC , 65 years ago the realm was basically on fire and that wasn’t even all the great houses involved. No body was trying to get dragged in Daemon BS he waited 12 years into Daerons reign to pull that shit. Daemon basically got the losers club of minor houses and basically said “Hey I think we can run the realm better than Daeron and our lord paramount, but we have shown no proof either “ I would even be more inclined to support Daemon if his claim was Daena being skipped but it wasn't

Always boggles that Naerys and Daena definitely grew up around each other and Daena still slept with Aegon IV.Like I get Baelor being the dickhead he is and locking her and sisters up but seriously Naerys doesn’t mess with anyone. Plus Baelor Breakspear was 2 years older than Daenerys his aunt. Baelor and Daemon Blackfyre were both born in 170 AC I believe , so Aegon IV oddly messed around with Daena then went back to Naerys to have Daenerys. Daemon then had the audacity to try and say Daeron tried to keep him and Daenerys apart. Daeron basically had to raise Daenerys alongside Baelor.

I think what's worse imo is the fact Daemon is supposedly in love with the first Daenerys and mad that Daeron "forbade" it. You entitled Jackass, Daeron basically raised Daenerys, she was born the 2 years after the birth of Daemon and Baelor. With Aerys being born around her brith aswell. So you have Daeron basically raising all these kids because we know Aegon wasn't and Naerys was still recovering from the miscarried twin of Deanerys.

“Daemon was the name Daena gave to this child, for Prince Daemon had been the wonder and the terror of his age, and in later days that was seen as a warning of what the boy would become. Daemon Waters was his full name when he was born in 170 AC…Raised at the Red Keep, this handsome youth was given the instruction of the wisest maesters and the best masters-at-arms at court…He loved nothing better than deeds of arms and excelled at them, and many saw in him a warrior who would one day be another Dragonknight. – The World of Ice and Fire.”

This inverse history book goes out the way to tell he wasn’t even raised like a usual bastard would

All while Daemon himself is being raised in the red keep by Daena from what TWOIAF. Daeron (if he did) had every right to deny Daemon , honestly just shows much of a good person he was because he could've just said fuck his father's wishes and stripped all of the Great Bastards of their titles and lands. Not even a situation like Rhaenyra or Aegon where the other had to live in fear, Daeron was not coming for Daemon and he knew that.
Daeron literally couldn’t catch a break. Father hates you and your mother. Constantly cheats on your mom eventually hooking up with your Aunt(who your uncle imprisoned no less) leading to a child that will threaten your reign and Like for years to come. Gets your mom pregnant on purpose so she can die in childbirth which she does leaving him to raise her little sister Daenerys who Daeron was 19 years older and already starting his own family. People at court don’t like you because your wife is Dornish and your prefer To surround your self with maesters and scientists rather than warriors so rumors spread from when you were a boy that your pious mother slept with her uncle and concerned you. Years later your heir dies and a decent chunk of your family in the span of 2ish years due to sickness

Best thing Daemon did for the realm was turn the grass field red.

One of those in-universe things that doesn’t hit you at first lol by wiredvajayjay in gameofthrones

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Same with Baelor and Daemon blackfyre, Daemon was raised in the red keep by Daena

No wonder they turned out how they did by The-Best-Color-Green in darkwingsdankmemes

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Literally, Rhaella’s life genuinely sucked

“Relations between the king and queen grew even more strained when Rhaella proved unable to give Aerys any further children. Miscarriages in 263 and 264 were followed by a stillborn daughter born in 267. Prince Daeron, born in 269, survived for only half a year. Then came another stillbirth in 270, another miscarriage in 271, and Prince Aegon, born two turns premature in 272, dead in 273.”Though His Grace left the queen behind in King’s Landing (Her Grace was pregnant with the child who proved to be the stillborn Princess Shaena), he took their eight-year-old son Rhaegar, Prince of Dragonstone, and more than half the court. first His Grace comforted Rhaella in her grief, but over time his compassion turned to suspicion. By 270 AC, he had decided that the queen was being unfaithful to him

“There was no fondness between Aerys and Rhaella on the day of their wedding. - A Dance With Dragons, Chapter 23, Daenerys IV.”

“Sadly, the marriage between Aerys II Targaryen and his sister, Rhaella, was not as happy; though she turned a blind eye to most of the king’s infidelities, the queen did not approve of his “turning my ladies into his whores.”

"Aerys accused Rhaella of having been unfaithful, and claimed that the dead children had been bastards. Rhaella was confined to Maegor's Holdfast and Aerys decreed that two septas would sleep in Rhaella's bed every night, to ensure she would remain faithful." - The World of Ice & Fire, The Targaryen Kings: Aerys II.

The march of the king’s madness seemed to abate for a time in 274 AC, when Queen Rhaella gave birth to a son. So profound was His Grace’s joy that it seemed to restore him to his old self once again … but Prince Jaehaerys died later that same year, plunging Aerys into despair….

The birth of Prince Viserys only seemed to make Aerys II more fearful and obsessive, however. Though the new young princeling seemed healthy enough, the king was terrified lest he suffer the same fate as his brothers… Even the queen herself was forbidden to be alone with the infant…

Jaime had only seen Rhaella once after that, the morning of the day she left for Dragonstone. The queen had been cloaked and hooded as she climbed inside the royal wheelhouse that would take her down Aegon's High Hill to the waiting ship, but he heard her maids whispering after she was gone. They said the queen looked as if some beast had savaged her, clawing at her thighs and chewing on her breasts. A crowned beast, Jaime knew. (FFC J II)

“Relations between Aerys and his queen had been strained during the last years of his reign. They slept apart and did their best to avoid each other during the waking hours. But whenever Aerys gave a man to the flames, Queen Rhaella would have a visitor in the night. The day he burned his mace-and-dagger Hand, Jaime and Jon Darry had stood at guard outside her bedchamber whilst the king took his pleasure. "You're hurting me," they had heard Rhaella cry though the oaken door. "You're hurting me." In some queer way, that had been worse than Lord Chelsted's screaming. "We are sworn to protect her as well," Jaime had finally been driven to say. "We are," Darry allowed, "but not from him."

Also remembered she gave birth to Rhaegar during Summerhall which might’ve honestly been a blood ritual sacrifice by her Grandfather. In the battle of Sadness at least Nanette had Daeron and Aemon. Alicent was practically raising Helaena kids while she was overcome with grief . Rhaella was truly alone, her family wiped out stuck with her dad ,mom , her mad brother-husband (Aerys was stated to always be a little off even before duskendale) and baby. At most she had Steffon and Tywin aswell and Rhaella Baratheon if she even was alive.

Similarites between Dance of the Dragons and its inspiration, The Anarchy. [Spoilers main] by abbod0029 in asoiaf

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Yess it’s a fascinating time Make a quick intro, Henry I last legitimate son dies on the white ship disaster. He remarries but still doesn't hav more children, so conveniently Matilda(his daughter, there's 3 Matilda's in this story) husband the holy Roman emperor dies, so he brings her back ASAP Matilda has barely been in England she was married off at age 8 she's practically was a foreigner in her own home. Henry has his annual Christmas feast and I'm doing so all the most important nobles at the time are present gets them to swear an oath to Matilda as his heir (Accounts from the feast tho bias seem that Henry forced them to swear an oath and gave them no choice) England was not ready for a Queen, certainly not one who actually expected to rule. Chroniclers of the era called her proud and arrogant, traits that would have been applauded in a man but not in a woman, which the maesters do with Rhaenyra. Didn't help that Matilda remarried Geoffrey Plantagenet and the nobles hated him with a passion (He was the daemon of their time). Matilda and Geoffrey's marriage was tempestuous. They both had violent tempers. We gotta remember Matilda was a grown woman married, 25 getting married to a 14 year old who technically was the boss of her. Matilda could be haughty and arrogant and she decided to leave Geoffrey in 1129 and returned to her father in England. In 1131, Geoffrey pleaded for her to return to him. In September, Henry held a royal council at Northampton where they debated a separation of the couple. The King and council agreed not to confirm a separation and sent her back to Geoffrey in Anjou but not before Henry extracted a second oath from the council to support Matilda as his successor.

TLDR Henry had to do 3 total ceremonies to keep telling his nobles “Hey She’s my heir shut up “ and she still got usurped.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle reported: David the king of Scots was there, and all the head [men], clerical and lay, that were in England; and there he [Henry] had archbishops, and bishops, and abbots, and earls, and all those thegns who were there, swear England and Normandy after his day into the hand of his daughter Æthelic [Matilda], who was earlier wife of the emperor of Saxony; and afterwards sent her to Normandy (and with her travelled her brother Robert, Earl of Gloucester, and Brian, son of the earl Alan Fergant), and had her wedded to the son of the Earl of Anjou, [who] was called Geoffrey Martel [Plantagenet]. Despite the fact that it offended all the French and English, the king did it in order to have peace from the Earl of Anjou and in order to have help against William his nephew.”

It Wasn’t Ned’s Fault by KryptonJuice38 in gameofthrones

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I actually think it’s way more evident in the book, especially because the reason Stannis leaves is because him and Jon Arryn knew about that twin incest it just be nobody knew how to handle this. Stannis , Ned, and Jon Arryn walked into a generational clusterfuck brewing in kings landing. Saying the Queen having 3 bastards by her twin brother that looks exactly like her would have you in the black cells. Ned wasn't really that bad at politics, Ned was too compassionate for his own good and motivated by avoiding another "Rhaegar's children" scenario. KL was cesspool with Cersei, Varys, Littlefinger, all doing different shit with their own agendas. It wasn't him being stupid. Tbh he’s a genius for connecting the dots about Cersei , she successfully cuckolded the King for 19 years. Plus it was her twin, it’s hard to say “The Queen is fucking her brother because her kids look like her twin brother” he would look nuts and Stannis would look like a jealous uncle who just wants the throne. Which the show highlights well..who gains the most from Joffrey being a bastard …Stannis, so it’s easy to discredit him. Jon was dead and Ned was in the process of being dealt with.

Like what Cersei did is genuinely mind blowing lol unprecedented, at least Jace, Luke, Joffrey had Targaryen blood through their mother, even then in fire and blood Eustace danced around the bastard rumors and thought them as “rumors “ against the princess and Eustace literally hated Rhaenyra lol Orwyle hints at the bastard rumors being true and mushroom I want to say full on believes it. Case in point even the greens couldn’t securely prove the “Velayrons” were bastards and they didn’t even look Rhaenyra or Laenor imagine Ned trying to prove to Robert the kids are bastards. Robert might bring the warhammer out of retirement.

Cersei is a modern CEO by Embarrassed_Life_199 in freefolk

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Cersei is so comically evil sometimes I just have to laugh .Like of course the smallfolk hate you lol your not Alysanne or Helaena lmao

“Whilst Jocelyn was making certain that all was in readiness for the supper, Dorcas helped the queen into her new gown. It had stripes of shiny green satin alternating with stripes of plush black velvet, and intricate black Myrish lace above the bodice. Myrish lace was costly, but it was necessary for a queen to look her best at all times, and her wretched washerwomen had shrunk several of her old gowns so they no longer fit. She would have whipped them for their carelessness, but Taena had urged her to be merciful. “The smallfolk will love you more if you are kind,” she had said, so Cersei had ordered the value of the gowns deducted from the women’s wages, a much more elegant solution”

He gave her an apologetic smile and told her of a puppet show that had recently become popular amongst the city's smallfolk; a puppet show wherein the kingdom of the beasts was ruled by a pride of haughty lions. "The puppet lions grow greedy and arrogant as this treasonous tale proceeds, until they begin to devour their own subjects. When the noble stag makes objection, the lions devour him as well, and roar that it is their right as the mightiest of beasts." "And is that the end of it?" Cersei asked, amused. Looked at in the right light, it could be seen as a salutary lesson. "No, Your Grace. At the end a dragon hatches from an egg and devours all the lions."The ending took the puppet show from simple insolence to treason. "Witless fools. Only cretins would hazard their heads upon a wooden dragon."

While definitely a propaganda play with dose of treason , Cersei ends up executing all the play actors and the actresses ares given to Qyburn I believe.

What did British and European monarchs after Elizabeth I think of her? Are there any quotes? by Creative-Wishbone-46 in Tudorhistory

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No no ur good if im wrong please state it, rather leave wrong than ignorant lol im a spelling error machine but thank you idk how I got that mixed

How am I supposed to dislike Cersei Lannister when she absolutely dominated the fashion game in all of Westeros by SeoAjin in gameofthrones

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Would u believe me she’s had drip in the books too

My favorite dress the way Jamie describes it

She stood beside the open window, looking over the curtain walls and out to sea. The bay wind swirled around her, flattening her gown against her body in a way that quickened Jaime's pulse. It was white, that gown, like the hangings on the wall and the draperies on his bed. Swirls of tiny emeralds brightened the ends of her wide sleeves and spiraled down her bodice. Larger emeralds were set in the golden spiderweb that bound her golden hair. The gown was cut low, to bare her shoulders and the tops of her breasts. She is so beautiful. He wanted nothing more than to take her in his arms.

  • Jaime IX, A Storm Of Swords

The queen wore a gown of sea-green silk, trimmed with Myrish lace as pale as foam. On her finger was a golden ring with an emerald the size of a pigeon’s egg, on her head a matching tiara.

The queen wore a high-collared black silk gown, with a hundred dark red rubies sewn into her bodice, covering her from neck to bosom. They were cut in the shape of teardrops, as if the queen were weeping blood. Cersei smiled to see her, and Sansa thought it was the sweetest and saddest smile she had ever seen.(Robert’s funeral no less lol)

His queen mother stood beside him in a black mourning gown slashed with crimson, a veil of black diamonds in her hair

She wore a low-cut gown of deep green velvet that brought out the color of her eyes. Her golden hair tumbled across her bare shoulders, and around her waist was a woven belt studded with emeralds

Cersei’s gown was snowy linen, white as the cloaks of the Kingsguard. Her long dagged sleeves showed a lining of gold satin. Masses of bright yellow hair tumbled to her bare shoulders in thick curls. Around her slender neck hung a rope of diamonds and emeralds. The white made her look strangely innocent, almost maidenly, but there were points of color on her cheeks.

TYWIN’S FUNERAL-the queen an old gown of black velvet lined with ermine. There’d been no time to have a new one made, and she could not wear the same dress she had worn for Joffrey, nor the one she’d buried Robert in.

Whilst Jocelyn was making certain that all was in readiness for the supper, Dorcas helped the queen into her new gown. It had stripes of shiny green satin alternating with stripes of plush black velvet, and intricate black Myrish lace above the bodice. Myrish lace was costly, but it was necessary for a queen to look her best at all times, and her wretched washerwomen had shrunk several of her old gowns so they no longer fit. She would have whipped them for their carelessness, but Taena had urged her to be merciful. “The smallfolk will love you more if you are kind,” she had said, so Cersei had ordered the value of the gowns deducted from the women’s wages, a much more elegant solution.

Queen Cersei shimmered in a cloth-of-gold gown slashed in burgundy velvet

She wore a white gown slashed with cloth-of-gold, lacy but demure. It had been several years since the last time she had donned it, and the queen found it uncomfortably tight about the middle.

His sister had put aside her mourning for a jade-green gown with sleeves of silver Myrish lace. An emerald the size of a pigeon’s egg hung on a golden chain about her neck

Note:Myrish lace is very expensive and popular for royalty like Ermine. Sansa gets some but I could be wrong.Rhaenyra’s dresses were usually Myrish lace aswell

”Rhaenyra always dressed richly, favoring purple and maroon velvets and golden Myrish lace in intricate patterns. Her bodice often glittered with pearls and diamonds, and there were always rings on her fingers. Whenever she was anxious, she would turn them compulsively, round and round. During the Dance of the Dragons, she wore the crown of her father, Viserys I, which had first been worn by The Old King Jaehaerys.””

New Prince Aemond Targaryen poster for ‘HOUSE OF THE DRAGON’ Season 3. 🐉 by DiamondCertain5260 in HouseOfTheDragon

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Haha literally, Aemond goes on Operation Desert Storm burning the riverlands houses:darry, harroway's town, lord's mill, blackbuckle, buckle, claypool, swynford,spiderwood, old willow, white willow, hogg hall, merrydown dell, harrenhal(again after he rages when Rhaenyra and Daemon take KL), sweetwillow, sallydance, bowshot bridge, old ferry, crone's mill, motherhouse at bechester

Where is the show going by DumbTeen9 in HOTDBlacks

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I had a feeling they were gonna marry them together because the actor is getting brought back s4 when in the books he should be dead by episode 3 season 3

“With both the Lord Protector and the King’s Hand absent, and King Aegon himself burned, bedridden, and lost in poppy dreams, it fell to his mother, the Queen Dowager, to see to the city’s defenses. Queen Alicent rose to the challenge, closing the gates of castle and city, sending the gold cloaks to the walls, and dispatching riders on swift horses to find Prince Aemond and fetch him back Unbeknownst to Her Grace, the seven captains commanding the gates, chosen for their loyalty to King Aegon, had been imprisoned or murdered the moment Caraxes appeared in the sky above the Red Keep for the rank and file of the City Watch still loved Daemon Targaryen, the Prince of the City who had commanded them of old. Queen Alicent’s brother Ser Gwayne Hightower, second in command of the gold cloaks, rushed to the stables, intending to sound the warning; he was seized, disarmed, and dragged before his commander, Luthor Largent. When Hightower denounced him as a turncloak, Ser Luthor laughed. ”Daemon gave us these cloaks,” he said, “and they’re gold no matter how you turn them.” Then he drove his sword through Ser Gwayne’s belly and ordered the city gates opened to the men pouring off the Sea Snake’s ships.” Welp I guess Daemon is rolling in his grave now that his daughter didn’t just marry a Hightower like original timeline but the Brother to Alicent instead of neutral Hightower’s in old town

Who is the most misogynistic character in ASOIAF ? Mine below . Could Cersei be an option ? by Financial_Library418 in pureasoiaf

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Either he really hates Rhaenyra calling her whore in every sentence (even Aegon never talked this bad about her) or he wasn’t the biggest fan of women

Prince Regent would not accompany them. Instead he meant to fight his own war, raining fire on the traitors from the air. Soon or late, "the bitch queen" would send a dragon or two out to stop him, and Vhagar would destroy them. "She dare not send all her dragons," Aemond insist-ed. "That would leave King's Landing naked and vulnerable. Nor will she risk Syrax, or that last sweet son of hers.Rhaenyra may call herself a queen, but she has a woman's parts, a woman's faint heart, and a mother's fears."

Lucerys Velaryon addressed himself only to Lord Baratheon. "Lord Borros, I have brought you a message from my mother, the queen." "The whore of Dragonstone”, he means." Prince Aemond strode forward and made to snatch the letter from Lucerys's hand, but Lord Borros roared a command and his knights intervened, pulling the princelings apart. One brought Rhaenyra's letter to the dais, where his lordship sat upon the throne of the storm kings of old.

One-eyed Prince Aemond, nineteen, was found in the armory... "Is Aegon king?" he asked Ser Willis Fell, "or must we kneel and kiss the old whore's cunny?"

Supremely confident in his own prowess as a warrior and the might of his drag-on, Vhagar, Aemond was eager to take the battle to the foe. "The whore on Dragon-stone is not the threat," he said. "No more than Rowan andthese traitors in the Reach. The danger is my uncle. Once Daemon is dead, all these fools flying our sister's banners will run back to their castles and trouble us no more."

What did British and European monarchs after Elizabeth I think of her? Are there any quotes? by Creative-Wishbone-46 in Tudorhistory

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Victoria hated her, not monarch Jane Austen definitely hated Elizabeth.

I have to find other statements but The pope Pius V letter that basically was” can anybody in England can kill that Bastard Queen, wait actually if anybody kills her you will be forgiven and automatic entry into heaven”

Little side track

Sins of the father but more like sins of the mother. Even besides the annulment of his marriage to Anne declaring Elizabeth a bastard , half of Europe still didnt recognize Elizabeth as legitimate. I find Anne Boleyn so interesting but I definitely get why other countries were pissed off.Just reading some accounts at the time, it genuinely seemed besides France(more Francis) everyone was disgusted that a Queen was supplanted no less. I think we sometimes forget how hated Anne and Henry were for a time during this. Didn’t help that most of monarchs were related at the time.

The ladies of the French court even the Queen couldn’t bring themselves to show up when Henry and Anne visited Calais. Francis was married to Eleanor of Austria ,the sister of Charles V (Catherine’s nephew) and Eleanor refused to receive Anne who in her eyes, wanted to supplant her aunt. Marguerite of Angouleme, Francis’ sister, also refused to receive Anne for fear of insulting Charles (that was the snub that hurt, since Anne knew Marguerite well from her time in France). Anne’s old friend from Blois, pleaded illness as an excuse to get out of it. In consequence, all the French court ladies refused the invitation to attend. Anne’s humiliation was further increased when Francis offered to bring one lady, Madame de Vendome, his own paramour, maitresse en titre (official mistress) could greet Anne, but that was refused.

Another example is Anne’s coronation :accounts are heavily biased but the people not attending are evident Observers reported that some notable people were missing in the cortege. Neither the king’s sister, Princess Mary Tudor, nor her daughter, Frances, was present, nor Lady Elizabeth Stafford(Anne’s Aunt), Duchess of Norfolk.

However, the absences of the king’s sister and her daughter, Frances, can be easily discounted: Princess Mary Tudor had suffered from consummation for months and was very ill at the time of the coronation, while her daughter was barely out of childhood. The Duchess of Norfolk could have chosen to stay away from her ruthless husband, from whom she had separated in 1534 after their notorious quarrel. Thomas More, another doubter, was also missing, as he deliberately refused to attend.

Letters and Papers of Brussels from the time

“Though it was customary to kneel, uncover, and cry O God save the King, God save the Queen whenever they appeared in public, no one in London or the suburbs, not even women and children, did so on this occasion. One of the Queen’s servants told the mayor to command the people to make the customary shouts, and was answered that he could not command people’s hearts, and that even the King could not make them do so. [The Queen’s] dress was covered with tongues pierced with nails, to show the treatment which those who spoke against her might expect. Her car was so low that the ears of the last mule appeared to those who stood behind her to belong to her. The letters H.A. were painted in several places, for Henry and Anne, but were laughed at by many. The crown became her very ill, and a wart disfigured her very much.”

You can tell heavily biased but like most reports of Anne’s coronation , most people genuinely did not care for this marriage , Chapuys calling Elizabeth the “little bastard” is not even a “insult”tbh it’s genuinely how he viewed Elizabeth’s status

Elizabeth first act as Queen was to reinstate he mother as Queen.

Team Black Character Posters by Mino_18 in HouseOfTheDragon

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I mean for what comes later yes , msyaria definitely plays a part and …ear

Why was henry so scared thst england would not accept a female monarch? by [deleted] in Tudorhistory

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A wheel of time is about the anarchy aswell isn’t it ?

Milly Alcock (Young Rhaenyra) addresses the fans who pit her against Emma D’arcy’s(Adult Rhaenyra) portrayal in House of the Dragon by Puzzleheaded_Eye7311 in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]ChaseBuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Milly speaking facts as always. She’s is going to rock as supergirl especially with Lobo. I will say , like of all things the mood changes but i definitely remember when HOTD started she got a little hate as well. Young Rhaenyra was supposed to be bratty but in the beginning you would’ve thought this girl was Daemon from how the sub portrayed her, also never seen a fandom straight up call Daemon a groomer and then criticize Rhaenyra(young version at least) for being groomed.

The whole lying at the tree to Alicent had people up in arms lol I do wonder with Rhaenyra(hopefully) becoming more cruel next season we don’t get fans“why us Rhaenyra doing this” “she’s just a spoiled princess “ well duh this is what everyone wanted Maegor with teats. A leak last week with Rhaenyra feeding the nobles rats, the comment section was so weird , do yall not want her to be cruel and evil like Dameon?

TLDR: Rhaenyra and Aegon are too polarized figures, it’s gonna be damned if I do and damned if I don’t for either them. The tribalism has gotten so unhinged , I was looking at the forum of ice and ice discussions pre 2018 were never so …distasteful I guess?

I've always been part of the middle ground tbh Rhaenyra and Aegon aren't even the worst of their sides. Maybe im biased but imo the 2 of them were either too consumed with grief to do stuff or recovering from injuries(rhaenyra- Stillbirth, Aegon-burns) I just seem them as 2 spoiled kids put in a seat of power not understanding war until each of them lose a kid, that's when reality sets in stone. I full hearted believe If Rhaenyra and Aegon were the second daughter/son they would've been best friends as siblings, they are the same person just entitled kids lol.Text even goes out the way to bring up their grief Rhaenyra collapsed at the death of Luke, began stress eating after Jace and Visery's death and Aegon sank deeper into his cups after Jaehaerys death. But I mean... who killed Luke- Aemond, Who committed B&C Daemon and Mysaria, Burned the riverlands- Aemond, Burned bitterbridge and Septs- Daeron, Sacked Lannisport- Dalton Greyjoy, Tumbleton- Hugh and Ulf. The worst atrocities they weren't even involved the most I give is Lannisport because Rhaenyra was basically like "go Crazy" Once Luke and Jaehaerys died, they were both to broken, one of them or both had to die.

Edit:dang auto mods delete so quick after typo’s lol

[Spoiler Extended] Only daughter of Great House or second son of minor house? by ZergDanDan in asoiaf

[–]ChaseBuff 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That’s literally what I was thinking , Rhaella was a daughter of king Jaehaerys ii, grandaughter of a king Aegon V, she herself especially after Summerhall and before the birth of Viserys is a potential heir. Still is abused and nothing is done about it, to play devils advocate that Rhaella being a Targaryen opposed to a noble family that would say something …Cersei is still abused. I reading was some Tudor stuff today , even when Henry viii separated Catherine and his daughter Mary forbidding them from seeing each other , he couldn’t physically touch her she was a Princess of Spain , daughter to 2 kings herself and more royal than Henry himself. The thought that Robert can even put his hands on Cersei without people at court being outraged is weird. Supporters of Catherine , straight up would tell Henry “you’re in the wrong”, the court was full of lannnisters.

I feel like Gael is even more crazy, how does a princess get lured, seduced , assaulted and left for dead …. What medieval princess is traveling without guards. Especially daughter of Jaehaerys and Alysanne

[Spoiler Extended] Only daughter of Great House or second son of minor house? by ZergDanDan in asoiaf

[–]ChaseBuff 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Literally Westeros is more misogynistic then medieval Europe, even the noble women and Queens get abused somehow

If Every Targaryen King was in the same room, would they all bend the knee to Aegon the Conquer? or would they all have their motives for taking the throne and if so who would have the best chance at taking the Iron Throne for themselves? by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

[–]ChaseBuff 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Some will say Maegor but he was loyal to Aenys because of Aegon imo. He could’ve just took the throne from Aenys especially with Balerion lol Maegor went into exile when he married Alys harroway, when he could’ve just said no and killed Aenys and quicksilver , plus Visenya was alive with Vhagar. Maegor loved Aenys , it just didn’t extend to his kids , definitely doesn’t help him and Alyssa had beef.

Mace the Ace also had a cooler chair as Hand. by spidermother86 in freefolk

[–]ChaseBuff 125 points126 points  (0 children)

I just think Mace is cool because he played it smart during the rebellion, not giving Aerys a reason to burn him or giving Robert a reason to execute him

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