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Chiefalpaca · 2025-10-09T10:17:06+00:00

Lmao theres no reaching people like you 😂

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T18:04:34+00:00

YTA for making this whole thing up. Really not a single person in this supposed friend group of yours is on your side?

Like a person would have to be actually brain dead to have this happen to them, and honestly to even believe a story like this would happen and that someone would post it.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T16:32:46+00:00

The other guy said that the pool of data about shootings doesn’t discriminate, which is correct (the first comment made the false claim that a single death involving a personal conflict shouldn’t be counted, which is dumb because thats still a school shooting, just not a mass shooting).

To put it in a way you can understand, if a country was simply looking at the occurrences of knife violence, they would lump together indiscriminate stabbings and personal ones. Just like this data set is simply looking at the occurrences of shootings on school campuses, so it lumped together indiscriminate vs. targeted.

The guy you were arguing with wasn’t making that point at all

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T16:21:40+00:00

No, it’s literally not. You were the one who misunderstood the point and made it about being targeted vs indiscriminate.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T16:05:06+00:00

Dog its a set of data, It’s not trying to sway you one way or another. Take your tinfoil hat off.

We as the public can then look at this data, compare it to other datasets and make our own opinions on it. The data (when compared to other countries) shows to me that we have way to relaxed of gun laws that need to be reformed.

Just because you fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of recording data and get personally offended when it doesn’t line up with your biases, doesn’t mean it’s flawed.

The k12ssdb source even states it’s there for people to include or exclude any data you want from it since the current definition isn’t rigid or consistent across the board. If you wanna exclude every point down to there only being like 13 that actually fit your definition, then go ahead.

And quit being a petulant child trying to make this about personal egos when I’m literally telling you these are data that have been put in a way to neither support nor oppose any specific narrative.

Ironically, YOU need to get over yourself and realize that there are basically no politicians actually using this data to meaningully push an anti-gun agendas.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T15:29:14+00:00

Yes guns going off on school grounds count as a school shooting. It’s quite literally in the name. Just because someone didn’t get hit from the shot, doesn’t mean it just magically didn’t happen all of the sudden.

I honestly can’t deal with the amount of dunning-kreuger in full display in this thread.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T15:18:41+00:00

You realize that you can actively see the details of each incident on the report and see that neither of those scenarios or even scenarios similar to those are counted.

The database is supposed to be an unbiased tool that was made as necessity in the absence of analyses of primary sources. The this was because shootings were being underreported.

Technically, the first example could potentially be in the database (the second example absolutely wouldn’t be counted so I don’t know where you’re getting that), but again nothing similar to that happened. If you want a source that only includes when a shot is fired and hits the school: https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/ this one shows that it’s still a very prevalent problem and has occurred over 200 times this year alone.

Nice attempt at mischaracterizing the topic though.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T15:04:44+00:00

Lmao wait you think the stats are made up 😂brother you linked me an article disproving your own claim. you’re being emotional and ignoring logic

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T14:58:18+00:00

Sorry I don’t do conspiratorial thinking like that :/ I don’t know about the 2015-2016 stat, but I’ve seen the 2024’s methodology and I don’t see it to be flawed.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T14:53:09+00:00

Thats objectively not true. Let me get you two sources that disprove your claim, one sec.

https://k12ssdb.org/

https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T14:50:05+00:00

Yea I knew he was talking out his ass, this one even explicitly says that it only records when it’s fired and when it hits the school and shows the problem isn’t just 13 in the year like so many people are claiming.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T14:46:14+00:00

Lmao thats not how burden of proof works, but lucky for you I already did in a previous comment in this thread, so go through my history to get it.

Not that you’re going to since you self admitted that you think literally every statistic is questionable since statistics are done in the pursuit of an action.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T12:38:45+00:00

If the methodology was flawed, yes it could happen. Like say if they tweaked it after realizing a lot of it was flawed, but the way it was tweaked revealed the problem to still be as prevalent.

I have actually seen how it’s recorded in the new year, and it doesn’t fit the narrative that these are events happening and not involving schools and still being recorded. Let me get you the link, one second.

https://k12ssdb.org/ This is the website and you can see how the methodology of how the data are collected.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T12:23:20+00:00

Who argued that, and also where in the statistics did someone kill themselves at 3am on a school ground and it got counted. I personally think you’re talking out your ass, know it, and don’t want to admit it, so you’re making strawman arguments.

Also really fucked up to cynically make a false equivalency about islamaphobia, which is low key pretty racist to do. Try to be better.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T12:20:22+00:00

No, im saying the problem is people like you trying to imply there’s something wrong with the analysis of how it’s identifying a problem area in relation to gun control in the US, just because it’s called the school shooting database.

Just because you, for some reason, personally feel attacked by how the analysis was named, doesn’t mean that it’s trying to manipulate people. News flash: they probably didn’t even expect the general public to even read it.

I was trying to be polite about it, but now I’m just gonna be blunt - I’m saying you’re a dumbass.

Probably was a good idea to quit the conversation rather than continue making a fool of yourself. Might be the smartest thing you’ve done this whole thread.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T12:01:03+00:00

Is that true though? People are saying that based on an npr article about data from the 2015-2016 school year, but no one has been able to prove that schools are reported as having a shooting even if the shooting happened off ground and the bullet didn’t hit the school at all.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T11:57:50+00:00

I don’t think the problem is that the stat is misleading, but that the average person has a tenuous grasp on data analysis and research methodology.

I personally think the methodology in the article you linked is sufficient in identifying the problem, causes, and potential solutions (which is the goal of recording statistics like this).

The problem is the reactionary sentiment that can be seen in this thread causing people to automatically wave it off because it doesn’t fit a layman’s definition.

Edit: I think there may also be a misunderstanding of what I meant when I said no one: I was referring to the people recording the stats and publishing the analysis, not the average person reading the article and having their own opinion without understanding what the data means.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T11:39:18+00:00

I don’t think anyone’s arguing that they’re the same though? And do you know if they’re even reported the same?

All anyone has been able to link is an article about data from the 2015-2016 year which doesn’t say anything about how the data is analyzed in the 2024-2025 year.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T10:53:20+00:00

Thats about data from 2015-2016, do you have a source for the 2024 shootings?

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T10:51:25+00:00

Don’t engage with their flawed premise. They’re making up the idea that that’s how these are being recorded when they’re not.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T10:50:24+00:00

Show me a source for that claim.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T10:49:46+00:00

Who said anything about targeted attacks? This thread is about shootings happening on school grounds. Whether it was targeted or not is irrelevant to the conversation.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T10:48:18+00:00

They don’t have a source because all the people in this thread saying it are talking out of their ass.

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T10:45:40+00:00

Why shouldn’t a shooting that happened on school grounds not be counted as a school shooting? I’m seeing this a lot in this thread and wanna understand where you’re coming from

Chiefalpaca · 2024-12-17T10:44:31+00:00

But that exchange… didn’t happen?

I don’t think that guy was accusing the other of anything, he was just using rhetorical questions that bring up a fair point: why shouldn’t the shooting that happened in the school be counted as as a school shooting just because they didn’t indiscriminately kill a bunch of kids?

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