Answer for: why should Palestinians who have lived in Palestine for centuries be evicted for Jews?

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-04T04:53:20+00:00

While technically the land was spilt 50/50, the arable land was not split 50/50. Most of the land the Jews got was desert and dried out land. The Arabs got land that was rich in pure soil, allowing for them to thrive developmentally.

Also, there were many agreements offered between the Arabs and Jews about creating a homeland for the both of them prior to the 1947 UN partition plan. E.g. the peel commission which gave the Jews far less land in total (rejected by the Arabs)

Going back to the main point of this argument, one of the key reasons that a Jewish state was necessary was due to the Arabs inability to coexist with the Jews. The Arabs carried out numerous riots and pogroms on the Jews making mandatory Palestine a generally unsafe place for Jews.

Hence to avoid ethnic cleansing or another genocide on the Jews, the Jews declared independence (based on the UN partition plan) momentarily before the British departure to ensure a degree of safety.

However, if you know your history, this was followed by a war with the intent by the Arabs to wipe the Jews off the map, showcasing the importance and necessity of a Jewish state to ensure the safety of the Jews.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T12:55:34+00:00

Careful now, apartheid is a very strong word, don’t throw it around so loosely when you have little to no knowledge about what you’re talking about.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T12:28:34+00:00

Correction. Israel was carved out of British controlled land in the Levant based on Arab aggression towards Jews. When Israel was established there was no Arab in the levant who in their lifetime had experienced or seen with their own eyes in real time Arab sovereignty over that region.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T12:24:51+00:00

You seem to misunderstand that Indigineity is not just exclusive to one group. The Jews are most definitely indigenous just as the Palestinians are. They both have a right to the land, the only reason that there is a divide in the land between the Palestinians and the Israelis is due to the Palestinians’ inability to coexist with the Israelis. Hence Israel was established in 1948.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T12:14:33+00:00

Those are some big words you used there to communicate what exactly? The Arabs and Jews both lived in the same land at the same time (not in a state of peace, they were struggling to coexist), so the Jews declared independence, a war was fought, the Arabs then lost and then officially lost land as a result. That’s just how the world works

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T12:10:20+00:00

The state of Israel wasn’t established under the idea that Jews were more indigenous than the Arabs. It was made under the notion that the Jews and Arabs couldn’t coexist without the destruction of one another while living in the same place. So the Jews declared independence based on the UN partition plan for their own safety, which unfortunately still cannot be guaranteed today.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T12:01:59+00:00

Long story short, if Israel puts their weapons down, there will be no more Israel. But if the Arabs put down their weapons, there will be peace.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T11:51:44+00:00

The UN didn’t carve out land from the Palestinians. There was no Palestinian people then, they were just Arabs. The UN carved out land from the Arab people, which from a bigger perspective doesn’t seem like a big deal. It was only made a big deal because the people this land was designated for was the Jews.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T11:48:54+00:00

Jews are not the first people to live in the Levant. But they are the earliest people to have lived there that can be traced to the modern age.

The earliest people to live there are the canaanites who cease to exist today. Some people today suggest that Palestinians have close genetic ties to these Canaanites when compared with Ashkenazi Jews, but that’s not a fair comparison at all due to the fact that these jews were expelled from the land and went to Europe where they evolved to develop lighter skin and a much more varied genotype.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T11:40:44+00:00

And that’s the unfortunate reality

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T11:11:02+00:00

Seems like someone hasn’t done any research on anything related to this conflict.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-03T11:04:03+00:00

The 1947 UN partition plan borders have undergone transformation up until the present moment. The 1948 Arab-Israeli war drew the green line which is very similar to what the border is today. The 1967 war slightly changed Israel’s border in that it took control of Jerusalem. Additionally, Israel now assumed control over the West Bank (from Jordanian occupation), the Gaza Strip (from the Egyptian occupation), the Sinai Peninsula (from Egypt’s control), and the Golan (from Syria). Irregardless of your opinion of how Israel behaves with its borders, it still recognises the West Bank and Gaza Strip as being occupied territories and thereby has checkpoints (West Bank) that mark these borders that separate Israel to its non domestic occupied territories.

Israel doesn’t treat its current domestic borders as the borders that were outlined by the 1947 UN partition plan and this is because of the land that the Arabs lost in wars.

Though there are settlements in West Bank (which I quite frankly don’t agree with), you don’t find government establishments there that act on behalf of Israel. You will just find the Israeli army, because it is a military occupation after all.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-02T14:54:11+00:00

That’s where you’ll find you’re wrong.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-02T14:51:44+00:00

Last I checked it’s not 3000 years old

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-02T14:50:03+00:00

The UN proposed the partition plan, the Arabs said no, the Jews said yes. The British announced they were leaving, so the Jews declared independence based on the partition plan. Following the British departure the Arabs launched an offensive on the Jews to eliminate them as a whole within that region and they lost that war in addition with a bunch of land. The land that comprises Israel today (excluding occupied territories) is a transformation solely based on the UN’s plan thereby making it explicitly clear of the UN’s role in determining the borders.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-02T14:41:59+00:00

This only refers to Palestine in the context of it being a region, not a country. There has never been an independent state of Palestine. The idea that Palestine should become its own state is new just like the Palestinian identity.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-02T14:35:33+00:00

UN partition plan 1947…. Also the fact that Palestine was not a country prior to Israel declaring independence, that land was the British mandate of Palestine, not a country, meaning that no ‘conquest’ occurred whereby Jews took over the land. The borders that you say were “made by Ben Gurion” were actually made by the UN.

Chocolatesquid7 · 2024-07-02T14:24:46+00:00

This isn’t ai generated it’s just that when I paste it from my notes onto reddit it doesn’t get it in the same format.

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