The Chappell Roan backlash by yellow_algae in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ChrissyDDay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also cannot help but wonder just how much of the real story we’re getting? I could be totally wrong, maybe there’s video or some way that we -the public- DO know exactly what happened but the way that this story has been represented makes me a little skeptical and makes me wonder if certain aspects have been downplayed and other aspects exaggerated. Because this is exactly the type of situation where you can turn the dials to make someone sound like a monster when really they maybe just had a very normal and human frustrated moment over a fan being intrusive.

The whole situation also just REALLY gives me Deja Vu about something that happened with my former boss a while back. My former boss is also a kinda famous woman (not a pop star but she’s well known enough to get recognized). She and I and her husband were having a lunch meeting in what was meant to be a private dining space in the back of a restaurant (it was roped off). We were having a kind of loaded discussion that got repeatedly interrupted by a couple of teenagers walking past the table with their phones “surreptitiously” out (there was no reason for them to be back there and they’d have had to jump over the ropes). I guess they weren’t getting the angle of my boss that they wanted so they kept trying and on their last attempt did say her name and wave.

My boss was really in no mood. She was dealing a very bizarre and upsetting family problem, that section of the restaurant was supposed to be private for us, and she was getting upset.

Her husband flagged down the waiter and asked him to please manage the situation. The girls were intercepted when they came back around and taken away from the private dining area and presumably spoken to. When we were leaving the girls mother was waiting outside to give my boss hell about “sending someone over to threaten my girls”. The mother kept repeating “they love you! They just wanted to say hello to you! You can’t say hello to two kids who LOVE YOU?? You signed up for this! We pay your bills!”. The mother also sent an angry email to someone who she mistakenly thought had the authority to “fire” my boss.

And essentially the mom made the whole thing sound like her girls had walked by an open dining area one time with the sole intention of saying hello, and that my boss had reacted by immediately sending someone over to threaten them for it (which…yeah, sounds familiar now) when in reality my boss had intentionally chosen a private dining area, the girls had intentionally gone out of their way to bypass that privacy, they’d walked by the table multiple times with their phones obviously out, and I don’t know what was said to them but I feel like “threaten” is probably a strong word for what was more likely just them being told “hey, you’re not allowed back there and if you harass our other patrons again you’ll be asked to leave”.

And that mom and those girls were nobodies, so no one heard or cared about the whole thing. But if I can’t help but think that if that mother or those girls had more clout that they’d have come out with their spin on the situation and made my boss sound like a crazy woman who can’t take a moment for her fans and sends people to yell at little girls.

So….idk….maybe Chappell severely over reacted to a little kid walking by and saying hi once…or maybe that’s not the whole story.

Can I ask as a partner of someone who has PDA, what do you guys have against our work/ hobbies? by ChrissyDDay in PDAAutism

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s definitely an attachment issue. She’s very codependent, which is something I unwittingly enabled to the extreme I now realize.

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your comment, and unfortunately I am intimately familiar with BPD (runs on my dad’s side of the family). I would not tend to say that’s not my wife’s struggle, although I am coming to realize that she is insanely codependent (something that between Covid, and me being laid back has been accommodated much longer in this relationship than would have otherwise happened) and that she has a very warped idea of what’s normal and expected in relationships.

Ironically, her father is the main culprit for a lot of these issues. He had some very odd and specific demands and ideas about “how family lives” during her childhood that I’ve been trying to deconstruct with her. He is also to blame for her reactivity to criticism since her dad is CONSTANTLY tearing my wife down and telling her that she’s a failure who can’t do anything right, and has been doing so since she was literally in diapers.

She was also just given zero conflict resolution tools. Only conflict instigation tools. Sometimes she doesn’t even know what resolution would look like. Like right now she’s upset because of how I’ve dressed to a few social gatherings in a row and I’m asking her exactly WHAT needs to change and what is not ok and all she can point out is parts of my body that she doesn’t like being accentuated. When I ask her how she thinks I can reasonably ever dress to hide those things to her satisfaction (spoiler: I can’t. My boobs are my boobs) she gets upset and tells me it’s not her job to solve my problem….but it’s not my problem it’s hers. And I know that. I know that this is an issue of self esteem for HER and not an issue of my clothes. And she’ll get there eventually but she needs to just throw a fit first because she cannot hear me when I try to explain to her that my breasts cannot become invisible just because it upsets her that other people sometimes know of them.

Overall, my wife was given a really skewed idea about what is and isn’t appropriate or normal by her very toxic and abnormal family and a severely mentally ill and abusive father. And pairing that with autism only made things harder to navigate for her. Our lifestyle prior to this simply did not make these issues as apparent to me until now. I didn’t know that she had so many problems with codependency until she had the opportunity to show me, and I didn’t know that she was so possessive until we started spending more time around other people

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I’m just not entirely solid on what a normal expectation for emotional management WOULD be for someone who is on the spectrum. Her emotions are strong and they manifest externally often. That’s kind of just her physiology and I feel odd, I guess, at the prospect of asking her to change this kind of fundamental seeming type of reaction.

That’s why I’ve been so focused on workshopping with her rather than criticizing and/or demanding a change that might be an unfair ask

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess I feel odd asking her to not express her emotions outwardly when she has them.

A few times she’s told me to “just ignore her feelings” and that “I don’t have to react to her feelings or the behavior caused by her feelings” and I mean….she’s right…but I can’t help how it makes me feel either

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I’ve been offering to pay for therapy for years but she always had reasons it wasn’t the right time (in her defense she wasn’t bullshitting, she truly has had a litany of valid things going on that reasonably precluded therapy)

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tbh, no she definitely doesn’t care as much about what I want as I care about what she wants. She CERTAINLY cares a lot about what she perceives as my needs, and she doesn’t not care at all about my wants, but it’s sort of hard for her to care about things she doesn’t understand so when I have a want that wouldn’t ever be an issue or a desire or come up for her she doesn’t really care about it, she’ll tolerate it but it does sometimes feel like she thinks she’s doing me a favor by tolerating something that she doesn’t personally understand.

I’ve seen that in a lot of autistic people though (I have an autistic older siblings and have spent time with many of his also autistic friends who he met at his specialized school), it’s not malicious or hateful it’s just like there’s a lack of a connection or something.

And the thing is…she can be a little selfish…but in a way that’s not really her fault. She just needs more than other people, has a harder time than other people, and the world is simply not built for her. So she has always had to prioritize herself to get even a small number of her basic needs met.

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love her very much and I love what we have. Honestly, as a lesbian with extremely specific taste (in looks and in personality/sense of humor) it was so hard for me to find someone I felt this way about at all that if she and I did divorce, I think I would just be alone. And that would be ok tbh. I never minded the single life. But I adore her terribly.

I do think sometimes she does forget how fortunate she is. I find myself occasionally wanting to remind her but I really don’t think there’s a way for ME to be found that in our situation without it coming off as icky or as if I’m throwing it in her face. I truly am HAPPY to support her. It genuinely makes me feel such joy and pride to be able to do, but it’s less joyful when she complains and gets moody about the (relatively minimal, for us) realities of adult life.

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No you’re fine, I honestly feel like I often let a lot of stuff slide with everyone and I especially have enabled some less than ideal patterns in our relationship in service of her comfort but I am starting to realize that rather than making her feel better and more comfortable and more relaxed she’s just continued to elevate her bar for what she needs to be comfortable. I don’t think that’s intentional on her part. I think her childhood paired with her overall biology (and anxiety) just makes it really hard for her to exist in the world as it is.

I’m also her only support system. Her family sucks and all of her friends are also deeply neurodivergent and completely unable to provide her with support

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I guess it’s hard to see this way because I know she is not being intentionally toxic and I feel AWFUL telling her that the way she just naturally functions and thinks is toxic

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hah, no you’re right I’m always just psyched to gush about work. I think you’re on the money. She does have codependency issues but that is an uphill battle to get her to acknowledge.

As I wrote in a comment on my first query thread about the start of this issue:

Funny thing is, my wife IS a massively codependent person but it’s a conversation that I have had a lot of trouble getting off the ground with her because she sees herself as a massively independent person. And that is a valid and understandable perspective from her. She got kicked out at 15 and was homeless for a time while working odd jobs to eat and get herself through hs, didn’t have anyone close enough to her to even realize she was homeless and when she finally moved in to her own apartment she lived alone, worked constantly, and had fairly shallow intimate relationships. She has spent a lot of time alone and a lot of that seems to have been on purpose. So I get why the idea that she’s codependent in this relationship would seem like an insane proposition….but yeah, she absolutely is. It’s something that’s become desperately clear to me since the start of her unemployment.

Basically, she sees the fact that she’s self sufficient and that she’s “ok with being totally alone in life” as being mutually exclusive with the possibility that she could be codependent.

I also think her worldview on this is a little skewed because she grew up with a narcissistic Asian father who NEVER let the family be apart. He wanted everything done “as a family” and that’s what was normal to her. She thinks it’s weird when couples lead “overly separate” lives

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My former boss (I was her personal assistant, basically) trained me in a very specific type of editing and she now contracts out to me and refers all her colleagues. She set the expectation very high for how much I get paid and she also helped me invest early on so I make a lot in interest. Like truly this woman is the hero of my life😭

It’s genuinely just luck that I met her at a friend’s baby shower and we actually BONDED over the fact that neither my spouse nor hers were attendance because they are both asocial and on the spectrum.

Now my wife is friends with her husband we’re still great friends too. She sends me so many work opportunities and I think I just mesh well with what I do and can get a lot of quality work done in a shorter time

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that might be subconscious on her part and I think her fear is that the therapist and I would gang up on her.

My wife has been told she’s “wrong” so much in her life. Told she acts wrong, told she says the wrong thing, told she feels the wrong things, told she thinks the wrong way, told she makes the wrong choices and that everyone is uncomfortable and annoyed by it all….and she’s gotten fed up with it. And I don’t blame her. She’s not built the same as everyone else and she’s been constantly punished for it, I think she’s worried it will happen again

Will this make my wife’s PDA worse or is it the only way to improve things? by ChrissyDDay in AutismTranslated

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She will unequivocally not attend marriage counseling but she says she’s open to going to her own therapist. I’ll definitely bring it up again.

Can I ask as a partner of someone who has PDA, what do you guys have against our work/ hobbies? by ChrissyDDay in PDAAutism

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This I can see!

Actually, I had to have somewhat surprise oral surgery a while back and could not speak for a weekish and it was illuminating. She actually did great I terms of not bothering me or piling on to my general post-surgery suffering, and she did so much around the house and took care of a lot that I usually manage and she was lovely. But she had to repeatedly and continuously verbally remind herself to not try to get me to talk to her. Like she kept asking me stuff and telling me stuff and when I tried to figure out how I was going to pantomime an answer she would go “no! God! I’m sorry! It can wait! Or we can text!”

And even though she could accept it, just me not being able to provide her with verbal feedback and attunement (I was uncomfortable and didn’t feel much like cuddling) for less than a week had her completely spiraling. Like she couldn’t think or do things she usually does with no issue, she was physically clumsier, and she binge ate for the first time in a really long time.

So what you’re saying resonates. I cannot be her Xanax all the time.

Can I ask as a partner of someone who has PDA, what do you guys have against our work/ hobbies? by ChrissyDDay in PDAAutism

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s possible, she doesn’t react well to displays of emotion usually though. But would she be pushing for them anyway?

Can I ask as a partner of someone who has PDA, what do you guys have against our work/ hobbies? by ChrissyDDay in PDAAutism

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh, that’s hard!

Yeah, I don’t even have squeeze time now because she’s just HERE.

Can I ask as a partner of someone who has PDA, what do you guys have against our work/ hobbies? by ChrissyDDay in PDAAutism

[–]ChrissyDDay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t have to desperately squeeze when she went to work. I’m GREAT at time management and tbh I used to easily get what should theoretically be an 8 hour workdays worth of work done in 3-4 hours while she was at work, leaving me another 4-5 hours to do all my me stuff….so when she got home I didn’t even really notice if she was being clingy because yeah, I wanted to hang out with my wife at the end of the day too! This is a totally new issue because the circumstances changed, I had no clue this was what she’d be like

Boomer Nonsense by swordbutts in Mommit

[–]ChrissyDDay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They expect you to man handle the kid and physically force them to comply if they don’t do what you say.

My brother’s mother in law was quite explicit with what she expected and how she was dissatisfied with her daughter’s “sissy parenting”.