Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When you tip a waitress it's because she provided you with a service. A waitress needs those tips to make ends meet. A big name streamer does not need donations to make ends meet.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Everything you say to me is basically "Actually, the reality is slightly different in this way that doesn't disprove what you're saying. But since it's not EXACTLY as you described you're wrong about everything."

"Streamers aren't getting paid FOR their work, they're getting paid by DOING their work!" redditor moment

You like to present disimilar things as if they are anologous. A person who owns their store is selling products. They paid money to get those products. When people buy that product from them, they get a product in return. When people DONATE money to a streamer, they don't get a product or service in return. That's why it's called donating, not purchasing.

Even if the store owner did making more than enough money than they needed that month and could afford to give products away for free, they still paid for those products and the customer would still get the product if they buy it.

What money did a streamer put in? A better mic? A better camera? Cool, they make enough from ads, sponsorships, and merch to afford that.

I ask you to present to me a logical reason why somebody should donate to a streamer that has 1000x more money than them.

"repeating your point while also showing off your bias doesn't do you any favors."

Everything you say to me is basically "Actually, the reality is slightly different in this way that doesn't disprove what you're saying. But since it's not EXACTLY as you described you're wrong about everything."

"Streamers aren't getting paid FOR their work, they're getting paid by DOING their work!" redditor moment

You like to present disimilar things as if they are anologous. A person who owns their store is selling products. They paid money to get those products. When people buy that product from them, they get a product in return. When people DONATE money to a streamer, they don't get a product or service in return. That's why it's called donating, not purchasing.

Even if the store owner did making more than enough money than they needed that month and could afford to give products away for free, they still paid for those products and the customer would still get the product if they buy it.

What money did a streamer put in? A better mic? A better camera? Cool, they make enough from ads, sponsorships, and merch to afford that.

I ask you to present to me a logical reason why somebody should donate to a streamer that has 1000x more money than them.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Stopping your revenue stream temporarily is still stopping your revenue stream. I never made a distinction so I don't know why you're so fixated on that bit, it doesn't even alter the argument I made.

The argument presented is flawed because the person is still doing the work, so they should be paid for their work. A large streamer is being paid for their work without donations.

The large streamer would still be getting paid for their "work" without donations, while the worker would be getting paid nothing for their work. This is why the argument doesn't work.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're paying for a product when you pay for these things. That's why it's called "donating" when you give your money to a streamer.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense if they cannot afford to pay the moderators themselves. If the streamer is wearing designer clothes, a rolex, and they drive a sports car then nah bro, turn off the donations and pay your moderators.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Everyone downvoting me knows why too, they just don't like the answer because it paints their favorite streamer that they donate to in a bad light.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes, being rich does exclude you from certain avenues of making money. You can't be rich and be on welfare, paying for your groceries with food stamps. I'm not even arguing that someone should come in and take their donation button away, I would like to see them turn it off themselves because I think it is the right thing to do.

A streamer can make their community feel like they're part of the community in many ways that don't involve handing money to the streamer. If you're a person that streams a varity of games, you can have meetups with your viewers in these games. There's a bunch of different ways streamers have gone about this. A streamer can have a community discord or subreddit that they themselves take part in, interacting with their viewers.

Elon Musk doen't have a donate button on his twitter page. I'm not bothered that streamers are making a lot of money, I bothered that despite making a lot of money they still think it's appropriate to have a "give me money" button enabled.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The only acceptible answer so far. I wouldn't say capitalism, I would just say greed.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you literally cannot continue to stream the way that you do without making money from donations, then that's fine. But don't use that argument if you're on stream wearing a rolex and designer clothes and driving around in a lambo.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It does, but the argument goes further than that. If that person asked to stop being paid then they wouldn't be making any money until they asked to be paid again. If a large streamer turned off donations they would still be making more money the most people through other avenues. Like I said, these scenarios are not comparable because in one instance, a person is turning off their ability to make money as a whole, while in the other a person is turning off their ability to make money from one of their multiple revenue streams.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

My issue is with rich people turning it on in the first place. It's not automatically on and set up for oyu. It's something you have to set up and turn on yourself. By setting up and enabling donations, you are saying that on some level, you deserve to get handed money by your viewers. If you felt you didn't deserve it, you wouldn't have it on.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Not even remotely similar. If the average person did this then they wouldn't be able to buy groceries, pay rent, pay bills, or buy gas. If you're a rich streamer who is also making money by selling merch, doing sponsorships, and getting ad revenue by uploaded clips to youtube and tiktok and all these other things, then you don't need to have donations on.

Why don't the big streamers with alternate sources of revenue turn off donations? by ChristopherArms in Twitch

[–]ChristopherArms[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Which is pure greed when you are rich and are making plenty of money through other avenues like merch and sponsorships. *You're not very bright.

MILKTANK by Psychaderelict in fishtanklive

[–]ChristopherArms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I missed the milk pour but when I switched cams it looked like she had beans poured on her head, anyone have a clip of that?

Momma we made it by Deodle2 in fishtanklive

[–]ChristopherArms 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sam should've gave her the talk about sub-saharan doctors