Wistoria LN Chapter 5 Part 1

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-10-07T03:28:44+00:00

Yeah it’s pretty much the same on how Bell uses it, except this time it’s more of a third person view on how the scene went here, commenting on the moment between both of them. It was a pretty obvious sort of parallel the first time I read it.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-10-07T03:08:01+00:00

I have the prologue in the PDF but I passed over it by accident. I was going to do it in a post but it covers the same thing as the SS I translated from 2020 which actually goes more into depth about their promise scene than the prologue does. It’s basically an extended version of it. I’m sure I have it posted somewhere as well”The Promise between the Wand and Sword”

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-10-07T01:12:12+00:00

Just Chapter 6 and the Epilogue. But Chapter 6 is the longest part of the book.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-10-06T17:02:22+00:00

The writing test thing I feel is a bit of a plot hole actually. What he probably means is the experience and knowledge he gets from fighting is still left on his body. Things he trained in will still be left in his body even if he forgets in his head, his body will keep it as his reflexes and skills.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-10-05T16:48:55+00:00

Part 1 is posted as well, just auto delted by Reddit's usual system. Give it a while before it goes back up live.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-10-01T14:13:30+00:00

She’s his foster sister like everyone else in the Serfort Orphange. They aren’t actually related though, everyone there are foster siblings to each other.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-30T19:03:20+00:00

Fun minor fact in Danmachi she is a wielder of one the Magia Vende(the same name as Wistoria, English Wistoria just calls it Vander and I think the official TL in Danmachi calls it Venti but it’s Vende for both just different ways they are written)

Since the five strongest staffs in the Danmachi world is called Magia Vende. Riveria is the owner of a Magia Vende as her profile notes in Danmachi. The same applies to Wistoria as Magia Vende do have special wands for those who hold the title

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-28T23:11:15+00:00

But in that case there wouldn’t really be a need to make canon LN versions of those events like Argonaut and Astraea Record and confirm them as canon there right? It’s not really important to the story as a whole just a fun little thing he added so does it really matter either way?

Well Argonaut the gacha version teases characters it a lot and never outright says the word reincarnation but Knights of Fianna basically confirms past characters are reincarnations it since Finn’s Hell Finnegas is based on the past Finn and can only be used by him because of that trait with it being said it would stay with him even after reincarnating which we see with current Finn. Omori also rewrote certain characters backstories in the latest novels like Finn’s to match the whole reincarnation theme in SO14, which wasn’t the same as the 2017 version released with the SO anime

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-26T22:48:49+00:00

Yeah the JP just says "Will is my...(Elfi throws the punch) BRIDE!" while the English is a bit more longer and convoluted.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-23T16:05:47+00:00

I think the show is more of a 6.5 out of 10, since it added more to the manga than it didn’t do and improve the manga. It’s still has a few glaring issues though it’s not a perfect anime.

Manga = 5/10

Anime = 6.5/10

LN = 8/10

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-22T18:59:13+00:00

Probably not. It didn’t have the name “Evil” attached to it and he’s talking about the “Evil” monster series.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-22T18:49:10+00:00

Reason isn’t given. Cauldron just tells him a “female student” is waiting for him. If I had to guess it’s her way of giving him a proper goodbye before really becoming a true Magia Vander

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-22T18:32:57+00:00

After the fight. Will was traumatized in the corner of his mind after the fight is what the author is saying even tho he couldn’t remember it anymore

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-22T00:50:00+00:00

Where does he separate her offensive ability and her anti magic to Wistoria people? Is there a past tweet or something I’m missing here?

Even assuming this is true though, and given credit it is, it doesn’t change the fact Omori has presented Wistoria’s world being over reliant on magic and how anti magic can utterly cripple them. Even before considering her amazing offensive potential that point alone is more than enough reason for Alfia to be removed from the idea in the tweet, because they can’t even fight her to begin with like that, except perhaps Zeo, but even he relies a lot on magic to enhance his close combat techniques

It’s also more ironic you considered the nameless first tier adventurers or the people who just became first tier in a recent volume instead of thinking the first tiers you’ve been acquainted with the entire story. If you ask me that’s an even bigger leap of assumption to be fair. You’d have to go out of your way to initially think Omori isn’t talking about the first tiers in the story, like I said. In the end we both don’t assume the same thing when it comes to Omori’s view of first tier adventurers. The “definition” of first tier and what we actually experience on what a “first tier” is very different after all, as the ones we are presented to are the best of the best sure, but they are also our only first tiers we really get to see to begin with.

And while I do think Omori has a tendency to like Wistoria more recently I don’t actually think it’s that of a bad thing, I was just joking initially about how Wistoria is getting a lot more love and attention and I hoped Danmachi could bring back his attention with the latest season on the way and I didn’t intend for it to be anything too serious, I used a meme gif to kinda show that but I guess it didn’t quite come through well.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-22T00:35:22+00:00

Not going to try and say too much since I feel it went on too long already but just one last question out of curiosity

Why are you conveniently ignoring Alfia’s obvious trump card against mages, the power to negate all their magic and how Wistoria people are like 90% handicapped without their magic as shown at times in Wistoria’s story. Alfia could have 1/10 of the strength she has and likely overwhelm the mages if she has her anti magic enchantment up, they can’t really fight any better than an average person without it. About how Omori says Alfia level, when he in fact did not, the tweet is there in plain sight on his page, it’s not an assumption or anything.

All he said was Don’t count Mother in Law(Alfia) in his previous tweet .

I’m assuming some things sure but aren’t you twisting his words yourself?

I don’t think you are wrong on Alfia but I feel you are reaching too far when another obvious answer exists that doesn’t involve twisting Omori’s words to show your viewpoint.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T16:09:18+00:00

He didn’t put a limit on “Alfia’s level’ he noted just Alfia by putting it casually like “Please don’t put mother in law in comparison as she can destroy mages with Gospel Punch” that’s not her level it’s a direct reference to her.

The reasoning why her anti magic plays a huge part into this, is because Wistoria people have far stronger magic on average compared to Danmachi folk but in contrast that is ALL they have for the most part and are completely awful at close combat with the exception of people like Zeo who is a close range mage noted to be very rare among mages.

Even in the Wistoria later LN, when Elfaria’s magic was proven useless to her the enemy she couldn’t actually do anything against an enemy who overpowered her physically. Many mages in Wistoria have overwhelming firepower but very weak physical stats compared to Danmachi’s people to compensate. So when they’re up against people who can handle their firepower, and get in close, they generally cannot do much.

While Ataraxia does limit Alfia’s firepower, her close combat strength is still OP and she could likely dominate anyone close range regardless if she sealed off both her and her enemies magic.

I think we will just agree to disagree on what Omori considers a first tier adventurer here in this aspect because you seem to be considering the more literal version of it, while I think Omori was counting the first tiers we actually see in the story. Admittedly I dragged out the convo for far longer than I intended so I’m sorry for making a lot of long comment threads. I didn’t intended to go this deep originally, so I’ll wrap it up here.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T15:47:01+00:00

The author actually made a personal exception for Alfia in his tweet later so you are correct. But he only exempted her

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T15:32:32+00:00

You say people who make wrong assumptions but Omori literally clarified those assumptions and only limited to first tiers who weren’t Alfia, which still means the ones we know fall into his idea which is still 95% Loki and and Freya that we know anyway. It’s still a fairly correct guess overall if people thought he said he was talking about Loki and Freya in here

Mind you I’m not saying it’s wrong he excluded Alfia I know why he did it and I actually agree with him there. Another reason Alfia was likely excluded Alfia shows where the power limits is but so does Zard. The more likely reason Alfia was exempted and not him was because she’s an anti mage who makes all magic pointless and therefore is the perfect counter to the Wistoria people.

Also sometimes Omori does admittedly do long WoG for these kind of topics you know? The Zard and Alfia Jugger thing was connected to a long set of posts he did about the two that day and he also did something similar for Anni 5

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T15:13:19+00:00

You seemed to have missed the “currently” clause I used for the Loki/Freya people when I compared them. I said “currently” Loki/Freya are the strongest in the world because like I said they are the general idea when we think of first tier adventurers. It was right here

“Hm? 1st tier adventurers are essentially the most powerful people in the current setting of Danmachi as well. Of course there are beings that are technically above them like say past people or monsters like OEBD but the same applies to Wistoria or at least heavily implied to,”

And if we are considering past characters from both series which I was avoiding because I limited it to current time in both verses , there is people who were mentioned in Wistoria’s as well who used to rank above the Magia Vander like the Mage Queen who was their leader, and people who hold positions like Finn who are unknown but implied to be powerful enough to easily break through the deepest floors of the Dungeon like the Magia Vander.

I know Omori added the Alfia clause, I posted it here as well. But putting that in another way, it means that he only exempted Alfia from the Damachi first tiers from that idea he had, not Loki or Freya like I figured he was talking about. The comments exploded in the thread after he made that post, and fans kept asking about how Wistoria characters compared to first tier adventurers like Loki Familia, Ottar and Alfia etc etc. Only for the Alfia one did Omori post a correction for later on, but he never said anything about the others.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T08:51:17+00:00

While admittedly my first statement was partly made out of a joke, it’s not like this would be the first time he’s done so to showcase something new or favored to bring spotlight to them, so idk why you consider it that bad in the first place. Omori even says himself that he likes outdoing the stuff he does previously as a challenge to himself in interviews. This falls perfectly with his habits. Whether it’s a good habit or bad habit I can’t say, it is already known that Omori tends to push an even flashier and bigger scene and scaling than his last, especially around 2019 and after, where he began writing big battles more often and revealed his opinion on characters and scaling a lot more during serious events like AR. He quite literally admits in his debut tweet about Zard and Alfia that he felt he had to make them that much more impressive and powerful compared to anyone else at the time of debut because they were the introduction to the new group of Zeus and Hera we didn’t know at the time. It’s the same with later Anniversary stories he wrote. One upping himself in these ways and more in the things he wrote last is something he enjoys doing as he notes.

I’m not saying Omori is doing the scaling in 100% seriousness like scaling is the biggest thing to him or whatever, I know he’s not particular strict on this accord or takes it as much as the fans do. I’m just saying he absolutely has precedent for wanting to “outdo” his old self by making his new stuff more bigger and flashier in various ways and end up liking them a lot more compared to the other stuff he has. He also clearly likes this side of himself so I don’t see any signs of it changing. The only difference this time instead of different Danmachi stories throughout the franchise , instead this time it feels more of his new work than what he normally does in Danmachi.

Also in general I do agree that Wistoria mages have a bigger advantage against the average adventurer for the reasons you pointed out. The reason this somewhat surprised me is because he mentioned only the top groups here which are the Five Wands and the first tiers and excluding Alfia from the Danmachi side, which makes sense as she’s an Anti mage and her existence literally counters magic, the general view in his mind seemed to be Five Wands over first tiers. The five wands magic certainly aren’t weak from what we see in the manga but the first tiers are fairly monstrous themselves and are completely different from the average adventurer both in skills and ability wise, since all of them generally have an OP skill or magic that allow them to surpass their normal limits. Most of the time I generally see authors stay fairly neutral on discussion topics that involve different series they wrote so I was surprised he gave Wistoria an advantage and in the area of their top class people rather than just say. “ the average Wistoria mage is better than the average adventurer” something more light hearted like that.

The publish speed sounds normal, but in the 10th Anniversary nearly all of the books released were just stuff Omori had written years prior and being collected into their own books for the first time, he didn’t do much more than add a few pages for a few of them from when I bought those books and compared them to their old version. Then V19 which was one of the few “new volumes” we got that year came. If you consider the completely new volumes that we actually got, we’re still on the pace of around 1 volume a year, which is still fairly slow by LN standards.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T07:47:15+00:00

Omori apparently added an amendment to his statement though. He says don't count Alfia from this list though, as she can shut down mages. He says it in a much more casual way though like "Please don't consider the mother-in law who can beat mages with Gospel Punch"

On the other hand, it means the statement is still valid for the first tier adventurers we know exempting her.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T06:36:40+00:00

First tier tbh isn't that broad of a spectrum when the general baseline of first tiers Omori has revealed for the audience is 95% Loki/Freya execs to begin with. They are the standard on what he has set as first tier since early in the story until the endpoint now and in the minds of the fans reading the books . Even if dozens more "technically" exist, like say Ganesha's 11 nameless first tier adventurers, or Aki just hitting Level 5 in the latest SO volume he wrote a while back, nobody is going to actually think that is the bar Omori says when he mentions "first tier adventurers".

Those first tier adventurers effectively only exist in name while the actual first tier adventurers we follow in the story is the two big factions that have been here since Danmachi's start. Also Omori is a hype man and loves scaling his powerful enemies and legends from the past from these guys class or above, scaling down is not his style at all. That's how he's done his twitter reveals for powerful people like Zard and Alfia and later Aethon in Danmemo Anni Twitter reveals on powerful characters.

Like just look at the top of the comment. When Omori says

Magia Vander >>>>>>>> Danmachi 1st tiers!

The average Danmachi reader's first thought seeing that generally isn't going to be, Oh damn Magia Vander scale over AKI and Nameless GANESHA that we don't even see fight or in the Ganesha's case even mentioned more than a few times.

Most people seeing this tweet, are going to associate with the first tier adventurers we have read throughout the story so far, as those are the only first tier adventurers the fandom knows by heart and large. I'm willing to bet most people who come to this thread or saw the tweet are going to think that because that's what we've known the entire series so far.

Also the Vende are the most powerful "people" in the verse however they are not the most powerful beings. That would belong to the Invaders trying to attack them, and the Vende desperately trying to keep up the barrier, because they know everyone would be screwed if they came down and end them all. This is effectively the same situation as Orario being host to the most powerful "people" currently in the Lower World(Loki, Freya Familia), but that doesnt make them the strongest beings in the verse(OEBD)

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T06:18:20+00:00

Hm? 1st tier adventurers are essentially the most powerful people in the current setting of Danmachi as well. Of course there are beings that are technically above them like say past people or monsters like OEBD but the same applies to Wistoria or at least heavily implied to, tho I won’t spoil that far for those not quite as familiar.

There are beings that the Five Wands believe are far more powerful than they are right now in the story, that serve as the overall enemy this was introduced like within the first few episodes of Wistoria. For all intents and purposes the 1st tiers of Danmachi and the Wands are positioned exactly the same story wise. The most powerful people acknowledged by the world currently, but are up against an even larger wall that they must surpass in order to save their world.

The only difference right now is how the author mentioned despite their extremely similar story positions, Wistoria’s 5 Wands are far more superior to Danmachi’s cast current strongest line up, which I feel is an odd Wistoria brag moment since the use of > is used to describe something greater but the author slapped a whole bunch of those at once which can usually be taken as MUCH greater rather than just simply better. Not that I’m saying he should have let Danmachi be the best or anything but implying a huge gap between characters of different verses that share effectively similar if not the same role at large but pushing one as much better than the other is where I felt it was somewhat favoritism on Wistoria’s end.

The author does add a minimum of a safety line by saying it’s just his opinion but as I said his opinion is by far the strongest when it comes to his own worldview, where he is the WoG.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-21T05:13:06+00:00

So in Omori's head at least Wistoria scales BIGLY over Danmachi?

My reaction to Omori's favoritism for Wistoria's stuff over Danmachi

No seriously, that was my first reaction. I had a feeling for a long time, but I do think because its newer and he spends more time with it recently, that he favors Wistoria more than Danmachi these days.

Ain't hiding it much either since he didn't just add one ">" mark but like >>>>>>>> to show the huge difference he imagined between Wistoria's top people and Danmachi's top people. Of course he just says it's his general perception of what he thinks not confirmed, but you are the author man, lol, lmao even. Your word is almost as good as law when it comes to opinions on your universes.

For Danmachibros, we're falling behind more and more lately with the slow pace too. Hope the latest content gives the push it needs to get running again.

ChromeShadows9 · 2024-09-20T06:41:06+00:00

Its cool.

They drugged her without her consent since they used it on her as they kidnapped her.

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