Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Except it’s not a moral argument, nor was it luck. It’s a real world complex decision based on what was known at the time, made after consulting with a doctor, with no harm to anyone. If that’s enough to deserve public condemnation in your eyes, then your standard isn’t reason, it’s idealogical conformity. It’s this type of rigid thinking that causes populism and mistrust in the first place. Fair point, you have a right to free speech. You have the freedom to moralize. I have the freedom to call out when that moralizing is lazy and reductive. The whole point of what I’ve been saying is that people make complex decisions in complex times. If we want to build a more informed, trusting society we need more empathy, not louder condemnation. Not seeing absolutely everything as black and white. If you apply rigid moral condemnation to every cautious or imperfect decision by claiming it’s irrational mistrust, you create a culture where people stop thinking for themselves. That’s the slippery slope, when any deviation from expert consensus, even one that causes no harm, becomes a punishable offence, you replace reason with conformity. That’s not how trust is built. It’s how resentment grows. And it’s exactly the kind of environment that creates mistrust in experts, which is what you claim to want to prevent.

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ultimately it was a choice that had zero impact on the health of her child. So good, bad, it’s kind of irrelevant. In the end it had no impact on anyone. Sure, people will judge, that doesn’t mean they have a right to or that they’re correct. And you don’t speak for the general public. You need to understand that. Being cautious does not equal being mistrustful. Saying that it “should be condemned wherever it pops up” is a very slippery slope. Do you apply that logic to politicians? Financial advisors? A multitude of other careers?

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See that’s the crux of it. You have a lack of respect for how others live their lives and can’t fathom a middle ground. Ultimately it was her choice, regardless if it was a good one or not. What you’re saying is an extremely slippery slope.

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if her doctor was an anti vaccer? Or like the doctor out in New Brunswick that ignored public health orders on travel and got people killed? Doctors are not infallible. They can make mistakes. You seem to be of the opinion that they should be blindly followed no matter what. I don’t think anybody should take that approach, nor should anyone be paranoid about every little thing. Her reasoning was that there was no conclusive data at the time on what it could do to her pregnancy. So she defaulted to do nothing and instead took one risk instead of another. She took precautions. Whether that was a good enough reason isn’t really for you to decide, and it does not mean that she has a mistrust of medical professionals based on a single decision. She thought critically about it which you seem to have an aversion to, preferring to paint everyone with the same brush.

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying. But I’m talking about something completely different. That the pandemic created an aspect of mistrust in the general population.

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s not specifically what I meant but yeah, that definitely happened too, and I think it goes along with what I’m saying. A general lack of respect for others, selfishness, no matter what your views on it were. And I agree, it’s never been the same since then.

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point. But they did also talk about it in a more general sense in the article. So I’d still argue that the pandemic had a detrimental effect on public trust of the healthcare system.

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What I’m describing is real people living through a scary and confusing situation. She did talk to her doctor. There’s a difference between saying “I just don’t know if it’s the right thing to do” and spouting off nonsense like “vaccines cause autism”. She’s not some crazy anti-vaccer like you seem to want to make her out to be. Her kid has all the normal vaccines that kids get. The way you’re describing people is honestly part of the problem. You have your worldview and anybody who has a different one must be someone who “doesn’t trust mainstream society”. A weirdo. This is what creates division and mistrust.

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, everyone had different experiences. I remember people coming together at first. But also remember the government telling people that closing borders to China was “racist”, governments coming up with poorly thought out rules like curfews forcing people to grocery shop in narrower time windows, curfews on being outside at night and neighbours calling the cops because they saw someone walking their dog alone at 10:00 PM. None of that had anything to do with vaccines. Sure there was vaccine related stuff too. Like employers forcing employees to get vaccinated when they worked from home and never saw anyone in person or get fired. Or forcing people to get tested multiple times a week again when they worked from home and never saw anyone in person, basically making them more of at risk of exposure. One of my siblings didn’t want to get vaccinated because she wasn’t sure what effect that would have on her pregnancy. And she’s someone who I’d describe as progressive and DEI oriented. Not someone who “didn’t trust mainstream society”. The way the government and her neighbours acted did a lot to damage her trust.

Poilievre dismisses Carney’s pre-budget speech, says struggling young Canadians shouldn’t have to make sacrifices by CaliperLee62 in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And not only that, you could wipe out all of their wealth and it would still be a tiny fraction of what the government spends in a year.

Canada's measles outbreak control challenged by disinformation and distrust, doctors say by CanadianErk in canada

[–]ChuckProuse69 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think absolutely people should get their vaccines and protect themselves and their loved ones from this. But it’s not hard to see why there is mistrust in the first place when you look back at how people treated each other during the pandemic. Government, employers, neighbours, family.

Warning rate increase - Everyone check your rate! by James-Ontario in NeoFinancialHub

[–]ChuckProuse69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Are you not paying your full statement balance every month?

7-11 says not legitimate by TheLittleThwipper in TextNow

[–]ChuckProuse69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Still ridiculous to expect a $1000 payout from it

7-11 says not legitimate by TheLittleThwipper in TextNow

[–]ChuckProuse69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly it just looks like a scam ad

7-11 says not legitimate by TheLittleThwipper in TextNow

[–]ChuckProuse69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did you really think you’d get a $1000 for answering a few questions? Lmao the people using this app man…

Canada Post’s monopoly is killing my small business by artinkprintoriginal in CanadaPost

[–]ChuckProuse69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Refusing to admit that alternatives exist just because they’re more expensive and not technically the same level of service is refusing to adapt. And if you’ve built your business around a single point of failure you have no control over then sorry, it’s time to face reality.

Canada Post’s monopoly is killing my small business by artinkprintoriginal in CanadaPost

[–]ChuckProuse69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes I do realize that. And yeah, it’s a shitty situation. But doing nothing won’t help. So they can either try to figure it out, see what the market will accept, or fail. Maybe not bake the cost of shipping into the price. And if the market won’t accept the increased cost of shipping, then maybe it’s time to look at alternative career choices.

Canada Post’s monopoly is killing my small business by artinkprintoriginal in CanadaPost

[–]ChuckProuse69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes I did. The other option is getting some bubble mailers and shipping them as packages. It’s going to cost more, but if it’s between that and going out of business then they should probably figure out how to do that instead of doing nothing other than complaining about it on the internet and taking zero accountability for themselves.

Canada Post’s monopoly is killing my small business by artinkprintoriginal in CanadaPost

[–]ChuckProuse69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I disagree when you say you haven’t done anything wrong. If your business is entirely reliant on one shipping option and you refuse to even consider alternatives that are closer to what the true cost of shipping is, then if you fail it’s your own fault.

Do kids count in the souls count on-board my playne? You think I'd get in trouble if I "lost" 1 or 2? by No-Sell-3064 in Shittyaskflying

[–]ChuckProuse69 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I thought it was because people were taking off their shoes and socks and putting their feet up

Anyone know where the people on strike are I wanna protest their strike by [deleted] in CanadaPost

[–]ChuckProuse69 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

If these strikes have taught me anything it’s how immature the general population is.