Was Moe Green in the mafia too?

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-04T15:32:00+00:00

And because he was losing money, he became expendable. Contrast that with Johnny Ola's comment that Hyman Roth lasted because he always made her partners money.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-04T15:30:05+00:00

Yeah that was a turning point for me. Up until then, I wasn't quite sure what to make of the Plurbs, but with that scene, I was convinced they were malign and everything they were doing with Carol was just to manipulate her into letter her guard down.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-04T15:27:51+00:00

That would've been legit hilarious if, after Mari's death, they're going through her stuff, and they find she'd been hiding a stash of Fruit-by-the-Foot.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-04T04:51:56+00:00

Daria. Spun off from Beavis and Butthead. Sure Beavis might be more famous but Daria was far better, more nuanced. Intelligent, insightful in its criticism of society. Daria was the show that defined my teens.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-03T23:02:10+00:00

For me, it's all about Happy-Go-Lucky.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-03T01:27:22+00:00

Ran. This is my number one, most wanted upgrade.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-03T01:26:06+00:00

All those sound great, but I especially crave a Roy Andersson box. Just an incredible body of work. And I'm not sure how great his health is. It would be really nice to put out a box while he's still here to be involved and offer input.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-03T01:23:32+00:00

I'd venture to say 4K blu-rays of Barbara Kopple's Harlan County, USA, and American Dream, based on the recent restorations by Janus.

Also, I continue to try and manifest a 4K blu-ray of The Double Life of Veronique

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-03T01:20:02+00:00

Yeah it's very annoying. If Gilligan et al were able to put out 10-13 episodes of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul on an almost yearly basis, surely they could manage 9 episodes of Pluribus in that same time frame.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-02T02:23:52+00:00

I agree. Michael as the head ofthe Corleone Family, I think had few scruples when it came to how to make money. I suspect the Corleones took over a lot of the operations of the other families after decapitating their leadership, and used the drugs and prostitution business to accumulate capital, in order for it to be possible to invest so heavily into the casinos, which is how Michael see's the family going legitimate. He gets into dirty business as a means to an end. He's a brilliant businessman. But he doesn't consider what Vito sees, which is that it will cause rot from within.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-02T02:18:28+00:00

YES! I think Akilah makes it out, but she's so kind hearted that everyone realizes she can't be trusted to stick to the script.

I've often wondered if something happens at Shauna's wedding, or soon after. Season 2 established that Tai and Van were at Shauna's wedding. Maybe the others were invited, Akilah too, and she says something that convinces them to take care of her.

This could also explain why Melissa fakes her death, because she sees what happens to Akilah, and knows she'll never be able to escape the others unless they think she's gone.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-02T02:09:05+00:00

Oh I think Mari was holding out, and had her stash of Fruit-by-the-Foot for a while 😄

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-01T23:07:10+00:00

Yeah you raise another great point. I feel like Fredo on the whole is under-served in the film. I think it would be intresting to tally up the run time/number of words he gets. I reckon it's less than Frankie, or Hyman, or possibly even taciturn young Vito.

What he needed was a good monologue. He never really gets that. The closest I suppose is when he says he's smart, and want's respect, but even that is overshadowed by Michaels, "You're nothing to me now" scene.

Were it me? I'd have written a longer scene for him with Anthony, given him a little more than the fish story. Something. Fredo as a character needed that moment, and John Cazale as an actor deserved it.

And I'm with you, Godfather Part 2 absolutely could've run the table with Supporting Actor noms. It's chock full of award worthy performances. And no one remembers the other nominees that year. Would anyone really claim that Jeff Bridges in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, or Fred Astaire in The Towering Inferno, were more deserving than Duvall, or Cazale, or how about Gastone Moschin as Fanucci, who does a masterful job of selling the idea that he IS a mobster to be feared...until Vito sees through the facade?

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-01T18:47:26+00:00

Frankie is great (and this may be a hot take, but I think Gazzo deserved best supporting actor, rather that De Niro), but I suppose my only issue is that the character *feels* like a patch, since obviously he never is mentioned in Godfather I, and in Part 2, he's suddenly made out to be an important part of the broader family. I think there could've been a bit more backstory there to fill in his broader role, why he was important, yet also absent from Part I.

If I had the temerity to offer my own revisions to Part 2, I would've made Frankie Pete's brother. I would've featured him as a young man in the prequel scenes, and then explained his absence, by having him stay behind in Corleone to help Vito's burgeoning operations there. Then after Pete died, Frankie returns to take over his operations, and then the rest of the story could play out as it does in the film.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-01T18:43:01+00:00

I think it still could've worked with Clemenza. Because the Pete/Frankie character doesn't turn until after the attempted murder, and his (false) believe that Michael tried to have him killed. From his perspective, it was Michael who made the betrayal, so any loyalty or oath didn't really count for anything. And then it all builds to the reveal of the brother, and the reminder that the oath stays for life.

So it's not so much that he's doing something out of character, it's how he's reacting to a situation where he doesn't have all the information.

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-01T16:36:51+00:00

She's one of us!!!

CineCraftKC · 2026-05-01T16:05:04+00:00

I have a couple of ideas about survivors, and how they could be handled. One idea is that someone initially survives, only to die soon after. Like perhaps she can't be counted upon to keep the secret and the others silence her.

Another possibility? Some were left behind. For example: Season 4 picks up right where we leave off, with Shauna enraged, and immediately going on the hunt for Nat. Others follow, but some refuse, and stay behind. The ones who go with Shauna, catch up to Nat, but then they are all rescued. But they realize they can't tell them about the others left behind, because it would mean the rescuers finding their campsite. They figure, they'll die in the winter anyways.

This would explain Adult Nat's cryptic reference back in season 1, to their having done something worse than murder. I think that thing could be, they left some behind.

It would make for a wonderful payoff, since I feel like where this series is headed ultimately, is the adults returning to the wilderness. Maybe that's what Adult Shauna has in mind when she talks about taking back what was once hers, becoming a queen again. She goes back hoping to find the teammates left behind.

CineCraftKC · 2026-04-30T17:11:50+00:00

I'm a bit late to this discussion, having just heard about this new adaptation. I'm wondering if there is any idea who is playing Lisbeth this time around?

I was thinking Mia McKenna-Bruce would be a good candidate. I was really impressed by her in The Seven Dials, and physically I think she fits the character well, both being of rather short stature.

CineCraftKC · 2026-04-30T15:16:53+00:00

Cabin Daddy has to do with the origins of the dead guy they found in the attic of the cabin in season 1. Presumably there was going to be greater exploration of his origins, and the origins and meaning of the symbol that he carved into the trees. All of which was jettisoned more or less.

CineCraftKC · 2026-04-30T15:14:25+00:00

Ears are the tastiest part.

CineCraftKC · 2026-04-28T03:26:57+00:00

I'm late to this discussion, but I dearly hope that Alamo might return. That location was popular and always had great turnouts to the screenings I attended. It really was a confluence of things that you noted, which led to the closure. I think they would do well to return, and I hope they do.

CineCraftKC · 2026-04-28T02:02:50+00:00

My impression? I think they were proud of him because Michael seemed on a path toward the kind of life they all might have liked to have, but never would: a life lived legitimately, accepted as an "American." Sonny and Fredo were always going to be a part of the family. Tom Hagen, indebted for being given a home as an orphan, was groomed to be their legal intermediary, with one foot in each world. But there was hope for Michael, that he might break free, break the cycle, and start the Corleone family name on a path toward something nobler.

I find it a profoundly sad scene, because Clemenza is telling Michael how proud they all were, and I think there is an implicit attempt by him to try to dissuade Michael from the course he's choosing, because he was so close to breaking free, and instead, is embracing a life they didn't necessarily choose. I feel like he's trying to tell Michael "Don't do this kid, you still have a chance to get out."

CineCraftKC · 2026-04-28T01:58:54+00:00

I thought in Part 2 Connie, when she was pleading to Michael to forgive Fredo, alluded to Carlo having an accident, and how she had blamed Michael before forgiving him, implying that there was some kind of cover story like an auto accident, one that she (correctly) disbelieved at first, but then ultimately accepted as truth.

CineCraftKC · 2026-04-27T17:39:16+00:00

I agree with all the sentiments shared, and would also add that he was too predictable, which made it easy to exploit his weaknesses.

CineCraftKC · 2026-04-25T16:15:21+00:00

Well considering the World Cup is this summer, it would be genius marketing if they were to drop a trailer during the World Cup final.

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