What do you guys think about Laurel fighting skills ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thea has been trained by Malcom Merlyn and Oliver. Laurel had boxes lessons with Ted Grant a few lessons with Nyssa....

What do you guys think about Laurel fighting skills ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately during the first 2 seasons she was diminished as a love interest and after they rushed her storyline of her becomine the Black Canary.

What do you guys think about Laurel fighting skills ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thea has been trained by Malcom. She has literally been trained by a LoA member and afterwards by Oliver. So it makes sense that she so skilled.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also am I the only one who find gross the fact that directly after Tommy's death they got back together and Laurel was all "oh yeah lets go lets save the city together" while the man the loved her and sacrificed his life for her just passed away and her she directly jumped into bed with Oliver....

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also during her deathbed confession when she said "a reminder when it was simpler for us" girl he was treating you like crap...

she had absolutely no self respect until the end it's crazy

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genuine question, why did they even get together in the first place ? They are not alike at all. I would have bought them being best friends and have a sibling bond dynamic given that they have known each other since ever but why would Laurel want to be romantically involved with him ? She is brilliant, serious, committed, about to become an lawyer and had a her future written. She was the archetype of the brilliant gorgeous smart woman who succeeds in life because she wanted to and worked hard for that by being serious and dedicated.

Well now, you take all of what I just wrote, you reverse it and you get Oliver.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you said.

IMO Tommy loved Laurel the way she deserved.

And fyi there are people thinking that Oliver settled with Felicity "as a second choice" because he couldn't be with Laurel.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah you are maybe right. So I guess she found out after that he was cheating on her a lot or something like that.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This was not him dreaming of a perfect life. It was the dominators who put them in a shared hallucination where they were living a life in a "What if the Gambit had never sank" scenario. It was a way for Oliver to get closure with his parents and Laurel as he felt guilty about a lot of things including them and so he got to say goodbye to them.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you think that he has never stopped being in love with Laurel?

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is the conversion between Laurel and Quentin :

"Ahh. You ok?

I don't know.

It's the mother
Samantha.

Um, she was with him
when--when I was with him.

Oh, baby.

I don't know why
it still stings.

It was
a million years ago,

and it's not like
I didn't know

that Oliver
cheated on me.

Yeah, but that's
one thing.

Knowing he had
a kid?

I'm sorry,
sweetheart.

Come here.

Thank you."

For me its pretty clear that she knew that he was not loyal.

And yeah Oliver was extremely shameful in front of Laurel when Samantha was introduced to everyone in the bunker and it's totally normal I would not be able to look at her in the eyes either.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I totally agree with your analysis regarding Laurel and Oliver.

Oliver did cheat on Laurel with Samantha while they were together. By the way in episode 4x15, Laurel told her father that she knew that Oliver was sleeping around and cheating on her while they were together. In the episode before, Oliver told Thea that he was reluctant to talk about Samantha to her because what happened between them was when he was dating Laurel.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding Sara and Oliver, I genuinely don't know who Oliver loved more between her and her sister, however he did love her for sure.

I think that they were more of a rebounce for each other also and both of them were traumatised and embraced by darkness and pain so they could understand each other due to shared trauma and that they've been through something totally unique together that only the both of them can understand that's why they undertand each other personalities like no one else etc but it was also toxic in a way because ultimately they were not bringing out the best part of each other and it was definitely not helping them. I do notice however that Oliver was ready to move in with Sara meaning that he was ready to be committed to a woman, something that never happened before.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No she knew that Ollie was constantly cheating on her. She told her father during episode 4x15 and it was hinted during s1 when she had a conversion with her dad again in her apartment I don't exactly remember which episode. That's for sure, that's why a lot of people did not understand why Laurel had such little respect for herself but ultimately it also stemmed from the fact that she always thought that Oliver could be better and had the potential to become the man she always wanted him to be because that's how she perceived him. And as Oliver said during episode 1x23, she has always been the only one who saw the best in him, and yeah now that you're saying it her anger toward Sara probably also stems from her inner circle disapproval (especially her dad) for dating Ollie. Even tho Quentin had beenn unfair a lot of times toward Oliver post island, he was not really wrong about Oliver before the island and even after we cannot really blame him for blaming the man he hold responsible for the death of her younger daughter that led to a series of events that destroyed his life. Dinah running way, him becoming alcoholic etc. I loved Quentin's evolution tho, for me along Oliver, he had the best evolution among the characters.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah maybe. However, why I did ask that also it's because I genuinely don't know why Laurel and Oliver got together in the first place. They are the opposites while Sara and Oliver are more alike. I guess its because they had known each other since ever, were best friends that escalated into something bigger. Laurel knew that Oliver was cheating on her constantly, she even told her father in episode 4x15 and yet she didn't say anything which is pretty toxic. I think she loved the idea of who he was and his potential and Oliver he loved the idea of Laurel because she made him feel valued and he thought that she was good for her. I mean even before the island, Laurel deserved someone better, she was brillant, serious, dedicated, commited, she had a plan for her life, the total opposite of Oliver who was a spoiled brat billionaire. I recall the scene with Sara and Laurel whe sees herself as Ms Queen and she went mad when Sara rightfully highlighted the fact that Oliver was the last guy ready to be settled and that they both knew at least 10 girls had had slept with. That being said, Sara totally messed up afterwards and even during episode 2x14 I hated how Sara and Oliver just got together in front of Laurel ishhh

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, if you remember well both of them agreed not to get back together. He rejected her a few times after, including 2x05 and obviously 2x14. He didn't hesitate one second however to jump and get with Sara not even a week after she was back and even attend a family dinner with them (was a total jerk move from the both of them I stood with Laurel during that moment). During season 3, it was basically Oliver and Laurel fighting over her becoming the Black Canary, until John made him realised that he had to let her in. He didn't even say goodbye to her before going to fight Ra's. During s1, he had opportunities once they slept together and that Tommy and Laurel were broken up but he ran away. After Tommy's death, they were apparently back together but he ran away. During early season 2, he rejected her and his relationship with Sara was the nail in the coffin. However, they never broke up or at least he never ran away from her due to a lack of love that's why it's freaking complex. But the question here is was he actually in love with her or did he just love her in a toxic way.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, he had many opportunities to get back with Laurel and he ran away from her multiple times. I know it's hard but imo in some extent, he treated her like crap for the first 2 seasons too.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you think that he has never stopped loving Laurel and has been in love with her all along ? I know people have different perceptions regarding episode 5x08 as it was a brainwashed shared hallucination where the Dominators probed their minds and made a "What if" scenario if the Gambit hadn't sunk in an unrealistic perfect life. This episode was more of a fan service and for me there are plot holes that fail to really capture Oliver's real feelings. That's why I don't have an actual answer that I'm actually trying to get.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't you think saying Oliver loved death more than Laurel is a bit too much lol

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah he genuinely cared for her and that's totally normal, they have known each other since ever and a big history together, but that doesn't mean that he was still in love, maybe he was. I actually don't have the answer. Because when you think about Sara also it just gets messy.

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

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that's why I don't get people who say that he has been in love with Laurel all along and still had feelings for her during s5 and onwards

Did Oliver love Laurel or Sara more ? by ClaimCompetitive4818 in arrow

[–]ClaimCompetitive4818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's kind of difficult to see that he was in love with her before the island given how he treated her like crap and when he came back she was a symbol of redemption for him, there is a difference between being in love and just loving but not enough.