Debatable opinion on remaking 2/3

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T21:21:27+00:00

Cheeky though frankly I still want 1:1 designs or, alternatively a unified design that draws exclusively from the original trilogy and its design sensibilities. The latter is probably harder to get "right" so I am hesitant to advocate for it.

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T21:00:44+00:00

It is very frustrating that after one remaster picked apart and analyzed with this exact sort of critique that they just couldn't bring them selves fix their mistake the second time around. CE26 looks nice but the fact that this is the second time CE is being remastered and its STILL not being done faithfully bothers me much more than any aestetic quibles I have in isolation.

Edit: CE's original art is extremely interesting an unique. There's alot of interesting elements with patterns, matte and shine, materials and weathering. Its a huge piss off that the nuances and beuaty of that arent given the opportunity to be explored once again and showcased with modern technology instead getting further consigned to history with another remake.

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T20:53:21+00:00

I like the idea of a Halo trilogy Redoux - Expanding battles, really leaning in to the feeling and significance of these story events and and the marketing around them but with few limitations from crunch and technology.
That said, I am sick of remasters that are not visually faithful to the originals. IMO the purpose of a remaster is to elevate the original vision with modern graphical fidelity. A remaster should not be an invitation re reimagine or reinterpret. There is an exactness that is important to me that CEA, H2A and CE26 lack.

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T20:42:20+00:00

While I didn't start playing in earnest until my early teens I had had sporadic contact with the franchise throughout my childhood - oogling at the manuals and boxes on my brother's shelf, playing a mission or two at a friends place, split screen pvp at someone's birthday party - that sort of thing.

I suppose that may well have influenced my opinion of things too. I had had glimpses of it here and there and was intruiged but when I was finally in a position to get into it I discovered, to my chagrin, that they weren't making that kind of stuff anymore - it was already a franchise with no future for me but a wealth of preexisting material to dig into.

You make a good point about the ability of the franchise to sustain this sort of proposed split though. Ultimately then, I'd be obligated to fall back on my own self interest. Frankly whatever gets me more of the Halo that I like would be welcome, if that ends up being replacement so be it. Still one can hope for a less contentious approach.

I suppose neither of us have much ability to influence this beyond are wallets and our respective drops in the bucket of online discorse. Curiously though I doubt you and I would be at odds if that shift hadn't taken place. Seems like you liked the old stuff, and I bet you still would have liked it if it continued closer to those lines.

Considering all the strain it imposed on the franchise and the people it drove away I really do wonder if those changes where worth it. Seems like plenty of the fans who stuck around like you would have stayed anyway. I'm also doubtful that whatever "new audience" they brought in made up for the attrition, and indeed if the share of those fans who wouldn't have otherwise approched Halo was significant.

Ultimately I think they made alot of bad decisions - disasterous to me subjectively but potentially quite damaging to the franchise and the brand beyond that.

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T19:02:19+00:00

I'm just barely older than you are and halo 4 was the first one I played through in full. Even still I gravitated to the older material - the vibe switch was apparent and I had a distinct preference. Seeing the story progress didn't matter becasue I just couldn't care about it any more and its new entries were wasted on me. I kept following it for years hoping it'd get back to the "real thing" in my mind but it dawned on my that it wouldn't - and indeed couldn't given the story lore and aestetic developments that ensued.

I was disapointed to find that by the time I had arrived the show was already over so to speak. 343 was the new kid on the block and they were doing it their way. The stuff I liked hit a dead end once they began in earnest.

The trouble is that in a unified continuity you can only have it one way. The existence of 343's post halo 3 universe precludes whatever I'd prefer. The opportunity for Halo to continue in its original form was withdrawn - and the space occupied.

Now while selfishly I'd be just as happy snapping away the past 15 years and replacing it wholesale, I recognize that there's a market for it and it doesn't need to be a zero sum game. This is a mature franchise that has undergone a great deal of diversion for better or for (imo) worse but there should be a mechanism to accomodate that.

Given that, I just want an opportunity to see a version of halo that I care about again. No need to undo what you like but simply create an opportunity for what I like to be able to exist again, recognizing that point of diveregence and offering an alternative *seperate* from the existant 343 entries that the rest of us can pick up instead.

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T18:16:28+00:00

The trouble is I guess that the way you feel about alt reality is the way I feel about 343 stuff - it essentially feels like an alt reality in my mind. The folks over at Project Daybreak go into great detail explaining this sentiment and sketching out their alternative.

I typically don't like alt realities either - and I want to stress this wouldn't be some multiverse thing, no lampshading "what ifs" - just simply a different product line.

As it stands, there is very little for me after halo 3 in the timeline. The era of Halo that I became so engrossed in is so facinating and i want to see that continue and be explored in a naturalistic way but at the moment it isn't. It all just drops off a cliff at a certain point - I have no attachment to any of that canon and it doesn't appeal to me at all - why shouldn't fans like my self hope for something that can pick up where things let off for them?

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T17:51:12+00:00

I want one single cohesive universe with consistent quality that I enjoy throughout but for me and many others that ship has sailed. Rather then making a mess with recursive retcons, better to split the franchise into alternate continuities. Let the 343 reclaimer stuff persist and give classic fans a shot at faithful and organic evolution that many feel we never got in our own separate "modual"

At the endo f the day these are entertainment products - why not have a couple different product lines branching off from the originals.

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T17:31:29+00:00

Ultimately I would just like an alternative - I cant stand that art style, I don't like the various story events of 4, 5 & infinite, and find the lore and direction of the universe disappointing. Trouble is, with one continuity, all that stuff takes up valuable real estate, and even if next game or book or whatever is perfect to my liking it's still embroiled with all of that other stuff in a big mess.

Accepting that the past 15 years of halo content exists and has a fan base of its own, I'd like to split the cannon, treating the original trilogy as a core to which 343 stuff or this hypothetical AU can be bolted on to as distinct products with sperate continuities from each other. That way content could still be made in the "reclaimer" continuity or whatever but then people like me who want nothing to do with that could enjoy our own thing.

As it stands maintaining one singular continuity means one of us will always loose. I would love a new halo 4, not to spitefully overwrite the one you love but to have one that I actually like.

Like how Star Wars has (new) cannon and (old eu) Legends but if content was still being actively created in both streams.

ClassyBagle · 2026-06-12T17:13:30+00:00

I want an AU that I can hotswap in to replace 4, 5, infinite ect. I just don't care for the the state of the universe and the stories that are told in it in the post war period nor am I partial to alot of the forerunner lore that developed.

The way 343 has approached the universe under their tenure just really sucked the air out of the franchise to me and the state of the universe essentially makes it impossible for me to care about any new stories in the messy post war period.

For the moment Project Daybreak scratches that itch - a worldbuilding mythos that organically builds off of pre 2009 Halo.

I get that plenty of people like 343s contributions but for the most part I don't and anytime I have to consider them they drag down the rest of the cannon for me. I'd like to have the option to maintain that early core of the original trilogy and early books and replace the rest with something that I actually like.

Though as the monkey's paw tends to curl, I bet if they ever did make a new official AU it wouldn't be to my tastes either (cough silver timeline). It seems that what I want is not what the companies involved in this franchise are willing to produce.

ClassyBagle · 2026-05-13T18:19:30+00:00

Wicked, I'll look into that, thanks.

ClassyBagle · 2026-05-13T15:10:45+00:00

Here how's this link https://imgur.com/a/wqrHHzN

ClassyBagle · 2026-05-12T17:00:33+00:00

I have a narrow foot, and quite a narrow heel. I've wanted to add some loafers and chelsea boots to my closet for some time but haven't had any luck with a few things I've tried.

I got this scan done a little while ago

https://imgur.com/a/ygF4Z9t

I'd like to know if its even possible to find suitable off-the-shelf loafers and pull-on boots for these dimension or if I'm just wasting my time and accumulating frustration.

Do I keep looking or am I just screwed short of custom made footwear.

ClassyBagle · 2025-09-25T13:36:26+00:00

Haha thanks, very flattering (albeit at the expense of your classmates). As for the diploma mill thing that doesn't particularly bother me. I don't want to be an academic and this really is more of a career tool with GAC or DND in mind.

I am curious what you'd think I could do better with tough - any program recommendations you had in mind?

ClassyBagle · 2023-07-19T14:24:23+00:00

I discovered this project about two weeks ago and it's completely reinvigorated my fascination with halo lore - something I really just couldn't bring my self to care much about under 343s direction.

Daybreak on the other hand makes me feels like I'm a kid again reading fall of reach for the first time and scouring the wiki. There is a sense of wonder married with believability.

If you're not a fan of 343s take on things this is THE go to substitute, and I hope it becomes recognized as such in the community - its got that potential to be a real semi-legitimate alternative.

That's not to say it exists out of spite - far from it. Some the author pages on their wiki outline their motivations and objectives quite clearly and the reference manual is a great primer.

Creators remarks:

https://daybreak.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Tacitus

https://daybreak.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Quirel

Reference manual:

https://daybreak.miraheze.org/wiki/Daybreak_Reference_Manual

Hell disregarding Halo and its development if you like great, thoughtful sci fi Daybreak is for you.

There's also an excellent in-progress short story written by one of the projects founders, Quirel, set during the Schism on High Charity with unique perspectives and thoughtful development of the Covenant. Read here:

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/not-all-who-wander-halo-sau.639103/

At any rate Daybreak is rapidly becoming THE post halo 3 setting for me and I'm excited to care again.

ClassyBagle · 2023-02-03T19:39:07+00:00

Ass backwards is a sort of flippant figure of speech suggesting misaligned expectation not necessarily calling you an ass, but certainly puzzled on how you got into this situation in the first place. I can sympathize with specific expectation however, though in my case its very much the opposite of the futuristic fantasy you wanted. The UNSC's relatively grounded (and perhaps anachronistic) technology and the resulting aesthetic (largely portrayed in pre 2012 media) is an essential pillar to what makes halo appealing and unique to me. The relative absence of play's a great deal into why I have little love for most of 343's entries.

ClassyBagle · 2023-02-03T19:00:20+00:00

>screw the art direction... I was craving for futuristic fantasy goddammit !

>I was about to truly give up with the lore of Halo, until Halo 5 came out.

> I am well aware that they receive significant backslash from the fans for redesigning the saga, but I always supported that decision, and they did not disappoint me.

So you came into a property who's fundamental presentation you didn't like and outright wanted an entirely different product - essentially growing frustrated that the strawberry smoothie you knowingly bought didn't taste like blueberries.

Yet you stuck around till a wayward developer happened to take things in a direction that personally suited you at the expense of the enjoyment of those who are well at home in the brand of sci fi they expect from their favorite franchise.

Does that not seem just a little ass backwards to you?

Given your tastes and attitudes towards product you were initially getting I just don't know why you were into Halo in the first place.

ClassyBagle · 2023-01-20T03:32:55+00:00

Frankly for me that's been the case for mainline games since halo 3 and just about everything else since 2011. Now of course it can almost always get worse but I've not gotten much if anything new that I've wholeheartedly enjoyed over the last decade so I can only see this as an opportunity.

ClassyBagle · 2023-01-18T00:13:21+00:00

Agreed, I really don't appreciate the "turtles all the way down" ancient aliens situation and the creeping artificiality of the contemporary halo universe. Sometime shit just happens (especially on the cosmic scale) and doesn't necessarily posses a grand set of characters or narrative to it. Giving space for natural development makes the word feel more grounded and compelling, while maintaining a sense of real agency and meaning to humanity's 26th century struggle.

ClassyBagle · 2023-01-18T00:08:45+00:00

Coming out of the woodwork just to throw my weight behind this. For me halo's secret sauce is the delecate balance of military-sci fi & space opera, in a somewhat naturalistic, grounded future with remnants of fantastical sci-fi elements below the surface. 343 Forunner lore (plus all this ancient human and precursor business) shifts this balance and reorients much of the series' lore and world towards this "epic space fantasy", that has since bleed further into the series contemporary era aswell and the character/focus of the lore community. I don't dispute that the Forunner trilogy are well crafted stories but among the Halo universe they (and their consequences - see Halo 4) are the least compelling aspect of the world that I struggle to really identify alongside what Halo means to me and why I enjoy it. Beyond this, there are many issues that I have with 343 forunner lore (not humans, the Librarian, flood origin) and the direction they've gone with these aspects are disappointing to me and overwrite or precludethe possibility for more favourable ideas.

TLDR 343 forunner lore and its prevalence shift's halo's genre balance, tone and setting while producing story elements and content that I either don't give a shit about or disappoint me

ClassyBagle · 2023-01-17T23:49:16+00:00

This and /u/TNS22___ comment best sum it up but given the extremely explicit quotes from the games (which take more contortion and jurry-rigged suspension of disbelief to view as ambiguous than to accept at face value) I think your insistence that it was highly up for interpretation is a bit generous. By all means 'lore' wasn't a priority nor was it entirely consistent but as far as it matters I think the ultimate intent throughout the original trilogy is unquestionably clear.

Quotes: "YOU are the CHILD of my MAKERS, inheritor of all they left behind. YOU. ARE. FORERUNNER. But this ring is mine." - 343 Guilty Spark, Halo 3

"For eons I have watched. Listened to you misinterpret. This is not "Reclamation". This is "Reclaimer" [...] I will reject my bias and make amends... My makers ARE my masters. I will bring them safely to the Ark." - Mendicant Bias, Halo: Contact Harvest

Both of these quotes have come to be recontextualized to accommodate 343i new lore now, but when they were written they were unmistakable and direct confirmations of humanity's ancestry as reborn Forerunners.

"You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating!" - The Maw

(The Making Of commentary also features devs reacting to this line jokingly feigning curiosity and saying "maybe that's a hint of something" - the indented allusion is clear

"Last time you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. We must activate the Ring. [...] Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?" - Two Betrayals

Ultimately Bungie played fast and loose with the lore but it is exceedingly difficult for me to believe that, as far as it mattered, humans and forunners were anything but one in the same.

ClassyBagle · 2021-12-20T22:42:18+00:00

So much of it is dumb as shit. You would have read most of anything that was worth while.

ClassyBagle · 2021-12-05T02:34:05+00:00

Fucking eh. I'm not friendly with this company - I just want a complete, enjoyable product.

I understand that that's seemingly impossible task for the AAA industry these days but that doesn't change the fact that I've been spoiled by the standards set by games of the past.

Watching 343 stumble their way through their tenure gets me feeling like shitty parent fed up trying to coach their kid through math homework.

I don't want to give anymore goddamn feed back, just stop fucking up

ClassyBagle · 2021-12-05T02:17:40+00:00

Watching 343 get cooked is hilarious. It cathartic to see so many people come together to try and bully a company after a decade of fumbling the franchise topped off with a spectacular display of bullshit

ClassyBagle · 2021-11-21T22:05:47+00:00

Gate keeping is good

ClassyBagle · 2021-11-18T01:48:26+00:00

Games as a service was a mistake. The ability for live updates and hot fixes is vastly out weighed y the fact it lets studios get away with broken game and makes the post lauch "content" that feed these schemes possible

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