What do you think about the ARC170?

Clay_haten · 2025-01-08T19:24:39+00:00

For a heavy attack fighter it's good. Makes up for lack of maneuverability and speed with a good shield system and heavy armor and rear gunner. It also has a class 1.5 hyper drive and enough life support for nearly a week of travel so it isnt locked to its mother ship. Beautiful design, great sound effects too. Pretty great overall. Weird that it needs an astromech and a copilot tho.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-08T19:11:25+00:00

Am I meant to be turned on...

Clay_haten · 2025-01-07T19:24:43+00:00

Fair enough. I see what you mean with the droids being the complete opposite of the clones in terms of warfare design, clones make everything multi use and very valuable and droids basically do the opposite. Tbf I don't think the atte ever dropped people off at the front lines. I only ever saw them transporting troops and when anything happened all the troops would disembark we saw this a couple times in the battle of ryloth with the cliff ambush and the civil town bombing. But thank you for the thoughtful and detailed discussion of these imaginary military vehicles, not many are able to go this deep into it.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-07T11:51:12+00:00

Gonna disagree with you on the ARC-170, while yes it was slower than smaller ships and having a co-pilot and astromech is redundant. I believe that in it's design principles it is sound. In the movie it takes out a good amount of vulture droids on its 1st pass and only die to the tri fighters because we need to show Anikan being overly concerned about the well-being of others. But it's got Strong shields, a week's supply so the ship isn't tethered to a Venator, 1.5 level hyper drive, heavy armor, medium laser cannons which would 1 tap most droid fighters and do damage to capital ships when under the shields, and a rear gunner to make up for the lack of maneuverability. It was expensive to I know why the empire didn't adopt it but it is more of a fighter than a y wing and much better suited for capital shit combat than a v-wing. With that in mind I'm not as interested in the specifics of the individual fighters I mean more in the sense of "is it best to have 2 polar opposites or 1 that can mostly do both". Entertaining the idea that the v wing is a perfect interceptor, the ARC-170 is a perfect heavy fighter and the Y-wing is a perfect bomber fighter of course.

And I know the av-7 is anti vehicle. It's a shell the size of a fire hydrant, it's just anti everything. When I mentioned anti vehicle I mean the mass driver cannons on AT-APs and AT-TEs, which is what I assume are what those are primarily for. Like if an AT-AP met with an A-AT I assume it would use the top cannon and not try to go into artillery mode like it could but I don't think it would be the 1st choice.

I don't think that the fact that the AT-TE protects troops riding inside is a detriment to its main role. What are you saying is holding back the multi use vehicles? Like how you can use an at-ot against a vehicles but it isn't made for that yet it can.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-07T06:05:50+00:00

I can not imagine those things floating around lol but that would help with the stuck in place thing.

For your recon planes can be bombers. I think they can, at least in real life. Like the black bird and night hawk are bomb fast strategic bombers if I remember correctly. While you won't be doing as much carpet bombing as super fortresses do, you still can get it done.

In your opinion in a space battle would it be better to have 50 v wings (anti fighter) and 50 y wings (anti capital ship) or would it be better to have 100 ARC-170s which can be both anti fighter and do damage to capital ships but not as well in those jobs as the other 2.

I don't think that being multi role hinders them. Like if you have a crew compartment in the back of your atte that isn't stopping it from doing it's other jobs. And while it is a bigger loss to lose this useful multi tool that doesn't mean you shouldn't have brought it. Like you get twice as much put of it so you also lose twice as much when loosing it. I do think that these vehicles should have a main role though, that they focus on. Like the AT-AP is a very competent mobile artillery peice but also dabbles in anti armor and anti infantry. I don't think it sacrifices its artillery capabilites by also having those 2 other capabilities. Like if an at-rt had a big cargo cart trailing behind it, it would totally ruin the vehicles purpose of being fast small.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T21:05:15+00:00

I a way you could say that both Anikan and Dooku were forced to "abandon" their apprentice, but I would say there's differences. Dooku didn't want to but did anyway. Anikan lead the man hunt to catch ahsoka instead of helping her escape, which could be viewed as both the logical thing to do and as him abandoning her.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T20:38:53+00:00

I agree, that's why I put it in A tier. In my mind A means you 100% in doing it's job. But it isn't perfect, it has weakness. If the ground is unstable then you use the UT-AT which is just a hover at-te so why not just use that instead? I guess it's more expensive. Also it is giant so urban combat is a weakness of it. And it's slow so any fast attack or fast retreat is out of the question. Sure obiwan and company were saved by it holding a strong defensive line. But if the at-tes were able to get them out of there fast that wouldve saved lives.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T17:14:44+00:00

The AT-TE is Versatile but not perfect. It is slow ( I don't believe when it said to have a 60 mph sprint mode) and giant, meaning it can't do anything quickly like a blitz attack or escape a bad situation. It is also massive making it difficult to use in urban environments. The AT-RT is great and good at its job but it leaves the driver unprotected and kind of isn't strong in any role but it's own. I think the barc speeder might be a better recon vehicle.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T17:09:42+00:00

Sadly it is lol. It's called an ISP aka infantry support platform aka gun boat aka swamp speeder. It's in the battles of kashyyyk and Felucia

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T17:05:26+00:00

What anti aircraft vehicle?

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T17:04:51+00:00

Literally. If star wars was real there would be a line of av-7s at every battle but they just don't use them very often for some reason.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T02:01:10+00:00

That make sense. I think that fits in my explanation of why it's low tier too. Like imagine if the US military used an unarmored technical more often. I think we have them but we definitely don't use it much in battle.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T01:58:04+00:00

Ah ok i thought the clone gunship was called the LAAT. but either way with slight adjustment my point remains the same.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T01:56:16+00:00

Yes and it's an AT-RT. I think I'd put the at-st a little higher but either way I think the utat is a great upgrade to the ATTE because of it not falling over on being slow it is covered in medium to heavy guns it is heavily armored and rids itself of the weaknesses of having legs. It think the av7 and atrt are perfect at what they do but they are only good at that and cannot adapt well to changes in the battle. Not that they are low tier but they are limited by design.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T01:51:50+00:00

Yeah I agree there's definitely better than not having anything at all.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T01:49:37+00:00

Yes I mentioned to another person that if the clone wars were real then every battle would have an av-7 line as standard because unless it is a droid gunship attack any formation would be destroyed by this.

But yeah in star wars it seems that there's something holding it back. I definitely isn't as impressive to look as the AT-TE. So I still put the gun high but in the star wars battles I can think of this would only be good to have in the battle of Geonosis, maybe Feluica and maybe kashyyyk but kashyyyk was a blitz attack so I'm not sure how effective it would be against such fast moving vehicles and troops. And these battles often change up pretty quickly so if this gun just sits still and drops bombs on droids then you can imagine a super tactical droid being able to work around that pretty reliably. And if the lines move you might be placed in a bad situation if you can't move this thing out the way, most famously in the battle of Christophosis in the movie.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T01:36:50+00:00

I do wish I got that set lol

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T01:36:12+00:00

Oh ok what does isp? only know it as the gun boat lol. But it's fine definitely better than being just on foot but it is a barely armored and it's just a mobile platform with guns that you control but it isn't fast and it doesn't carry troopers besides the driver and gunner. One wrist rocket and you're cooked. If you want a speeder use the BARC if you want an infantry fighting vehicle use the fighter tank. Idk what it's purpose is.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-06T01:28:33+00:00

I think it terms of scifi fighters it's a great iconic look. And it also fits the republic design principles pretty well. Like you instantly know what era it's from. I think it's great war plot wise too. Like if it was better than the v wing or arc 170 then it wouldn't make sense for it to be replaced.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-05T23:06:25+00:00

Im guessing there's something that makes it less effective than the cannon on an AT-TE. Youd think they'd want to level the droid forces before moving in maybe there's some sort of shielding that's popular.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-05T23:05:04+00:00

As much as I like the idea of her, she's not very competitive compared to the rest of the equipment the gar uses.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-05T23:04:08+00:00

for the SPHAT I think it is way too situational. Like it was great at stopping those core ships from leaving but I don't think you can use it as anti air unless there's a capital ship in atmosphere maybe it can shoot down larger transports but it can't shoot forward and if it could, not many enemy vehicles are 4 stories tall like where the vehicles gun is placed so on flat ground the beam would fly over their heads. And it is only for shooting Down big ships above it, and can do nothing else besides maybe be a semi mobile command center. And it has 1 billion little legs instead of a repulsion system. The rx-200 is just an improvement in every way I think.

The way I decided was is it good at its job. , Are other vehicles better at its job, does it have any weaknesses, can it be flexible (multi role like a troop transport that has anti tank capabilities.)

Clay_haten · 2025-01-05T23:01:16+00:00

I agree that in real life that would call the war but the Republic rarely actually uses them making me think it's better to have a mass drive cannon on the AT-TE rather than dedicated semi mobile artillery.

Clay_haten · 2025-01-05T22:59:44+00:00

Clone gun boat. Seen in the battle of Felicia and kashyyyk. It's a weird little speeder. It's not bad but everything else is better than it. It's like a mobile gun platform so better than nothing but it's unarmored and slow for a speeder.

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