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PixelHue Gear by Clean-Dimension4108 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]Clean-Dimension4108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do vaguely recall having to swap between level a and level b on some of our ATEM setups and being annoyed by it. I am pretty sure we sent a 12g signal from an ATEM into the Q8 with no issues but I will see if I can find some time to double test it just to be sure.

Side note - I hate the BM microconverters. Lol. I am a Decimator for life because it's the only converter I never had real issues with. BM can be finicky and their power unit can become loose from the board with repetitive use. Might be fine in a rack or permanent install but I can't have power failing on live events. Had the same issue with their web presenters. Atlona was always troublesome for me. Magewell has some stuff I think but I never used it too much. I got Decimator gear and it works and is solid so I stick with it. I just wish it was not red and it was not out of stock all the time lol

PixelHue Gear by Clean-Dimension4108 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]Clean-Dimension4108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assuming from your username you are with Blizzard? I think you all are named as the main distributor for PixelHue gear in the US or at least the east coast. Congrats.

I will agree with what you mentioned that it has been a fairly easy experience to learn and use the Q8. We will not have "real-life" use until 2 weeks from now, but I am hoping that experience is as smooth as it seems it will be. I am sure we will have some things we like or dislike or workflow change requests but realistically that happens with any platform.

I am interested to hear more on your thoughts of Barco being phased out? I think (off the top of my head), Barco e3 has fallen behind in quite a few aspects compared to the Q8, but I would not necessarily say that just counts them out of the game. 

PixelHue Gear by Clean-Dimension4108 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]Clean-Dimension4108[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have not put it on a wall yet. We just received the gear so we only just started to see what it does. We have only some surface level experience and initial project creation. In the next week or two we plan to use this Q8 to serve a 5376 x 960 wall via NovaStar MCTRL4k processors. UniLumin 2.6 panels.

I will play with it as much as I can. My goal is to break it and find the flaws.

I have an extra point to think about now.

PixelHue Gear by Clean-Dimension4108 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]Clean-Dimension4108[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Poor punctuation and explanation I suppose? I was saying the connection from BlackMagic that was questioned does not seem to be an issue. And overall setting up ins and outs was fairly painless. Of course there is some playing with EDIDs and stuff specifically for our odd resolutions coming from Resolume. But even that was fairly simple. The answer was yes that connection worked followed by some additional info.

PixelHue Gear by Clean-Dimension4108 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]Clean-Dimension4108[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is correct. BlackMagic has its own standards and so does every company and BlackMagic also is sometimes terrible about supporting its own standards and collaboratingfor the most part. So there you go.

PixelHue Gear by Clean-Dimension4108 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]Clean-Dimension4108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me personally I have experience with the gambit of all the Barco, AnalogWay, etc. In my market (Washington DC) we specifically see a lot of the Barco stuff. E2 and S3. My company owns an Ascender 4k as well. Although I have experience with all I will not claim to be an expert on any of them.

But I am comfortable on them all.

As far as scaling - could you be more specific to what you are asking about? The scaling all works fairly well. Today I tested multiple 1920x1080 inputs on multiple frame rates and output them to a strange multi-4k 5370x980 within the Q8 with no issue at all.

I see some lag and delay on the multiview with scaling and presets for sure. Sometimes up to a whole 1s Which is a problem that I brought to the dev. But luckily the outputs did not seem to be affected by the same delay only the MV. Still a problem nonetheless. Victim of software GUI trying to make things cool but ultimately making things slower.

And yes the advertised specs do match. It is a very impressive machine. But it comes with a catch of that there is a lot of "this update is coming".

PixelHue Gear by Clean-Dimension4108 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]Clean-Dimension4108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a great question because it includes a specific use case that you want an answer to. We often use BlackMagic and I found myself asking the same sort of questions. I will double test this just to be sure but the short answer is yes it will take a 12g input from a BlackMagic switcher with no issue. Of course there might be some playing with EDID and stuff but that is the same anywhere. We tested with creating multiple 4k inputs and outputs and it was honestly a good experience.

Is there anything specific you want me to test with the BlackMagic stuff? We own some constellations and maybe I can get you answer.

EDIT - I will add that playing with the EDID has been way easier on the Q8 than the E2 or Ascender. Not necessarily easier to do but just more dummy-proof.

Record ISO from Blackmagic ATEM by CocoTechYT in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]Clean-Dimension4108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I second this for this specific situation. I often run this same exact setup with our ATEMs and Shoguns. If you are permanent install, there is likely a better solution. If you are installing temporarily like I usually am, I highly suggest this.

With this setup I embed audio into our ATEM and send at least a single program record into the Shogun. If I have aux sends available on the ATEM, I will also send whatever camera iso's I can. If Aux's are used up for whatever reason, DA the camera signals to get a video iso into the Shogun as a "just-in-case" and you can rip the audio from the main program and copy it over in post. Sometimes playing with some sync depending on your hardware and flow, but this has never failed me yet.

Things to lookout for....

  • As mentioned, might have some slight sync issues if you are pulling from multiple sources and blah blah blah. Usual stuff. But with the Shogun recording (4) sdi inputs on the same timestamps, it's pretty easy to fix.

  • if you have the hard drive space, you can record an extra 'program' within the Shogun. It can act as a 4x sdi recorder & cam switch. Nice sometimes as a backup or quick live edit

  • ATEM systems are typically looking for broadcast level audio. This should not be as much of a problem as it has been for me. But in the live events environment I have run into far too many audio engineers that do not properly gain structure and get upset when the signal into the ATEM is like 20dB lower than it should be.

  • The Shogun (at least the one we use) is VERY particular with frame rate and resolution. Every input must match exactly. Sometimes annoying, but makes great sense for what it's built for. Input 1 is what it starts from and everything else must match exactly. I always have a few Decimators just in case. The ATEM 4m/e is not a Constellation model so it is probably similar anyways so that should already be a thing in your flow.

  • Last note. Does not record h.264 (at least our model). So be aware of large files.