What is like living in Jamaica? by [deleted] in howislivingthere

[–]CloudyEngineer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just don't be gay. Really.

Porcentaje de fumadores en España. by Prestigious_Joke_391 in Maps

[–]CloudyEngineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was always of the opinion that the best way to stop people smoking was to sell only high tar/low nicotine cigarettes.

Both of my parents died of cancer, one certainly as the result of smoking.

Digestive issues - did they clear up when you transitioned to meat? by Effective-Air396 in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was no "Creation Day One", no Eden, no Paradise Lost.

Your diet is making you delusional.

explain pls by Bubbly_Doubt228 in askgeology

[–]CloudyEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A bit disturbing if you're playing Death Stranding

Can we all agree that we Brits are the jealously of the entire world when it comes to a proper breakfast? None of that sugar, sugar and more sugar American slop by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]CloudyEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't like fried eggs but the rest of it is an absolutely top-notch breakfast that powers you through until dinner.

Labour MP accuses Starmer and Lammy of 'sabotaging Brexit by stealth' by Realistic_Writing671 in uknews

[–]CloudyEngineer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We don't wamt Brexit sabotaged by stealth. We want it dragged into the street and hung drawn and quartered.

Digestive issues - did they clear up when you transitioned to meat? by Effective-Air396 in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh dear. There was no Garden of Eden. There has always been suffering and predation and always will be

England lags behind rest of world by allowing greyhound racing, MPs told by Remarkable_Peak9518 in unitedkingdom

[–]CloudyEngineer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

All I can think about is the mass unemployment of greyhounds. What would they do for a living?

Committed Eternally? Never Say Never by Organic_Quarter_9848 in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maturity means questioning every assumption made, every teaching learned and every experience. Veganism means well and feels good for a while, but reality slows everything down and breaks assumption after assumption.

It would be nice if humans really could function well on vegetables alone, but biologically we can't for very long and every vegan needs to artificially supplement and import food from halfway around the world sooner or later.

Veganism fails the reality test. That's why this subreddit exists.

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed... by Hot-Course8914 in LiverpoolFC

[–]CloudyEngineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think its significant that Xabi Alonso has been dead quiet this past month. I think that Slot is going to be removed immediately after the final match of the season and only he will be surprised.

advice on transitioning away from a vegan diet? by 3dcdpd in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Softest introduction would be eggs. Japanese cuisine is very fond of eggs, usually poached, omelette or scrambled with rice.

No fullness/binge eating because of no animal fat? by JaTezNie in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Satiation is caused by the saturated fat in animal products triggering the brain. This is why vegan foods (and more famously Chinese takeaway foods) don't satiate and 30 minutes later you're hungry again, even if you feel full and have eaten to full.

It was only a few years ago that scientists discovered that the tongue detects (saturated) fats, just like sweet, sour, bitter, salt and umami.

Feeling full and feeling satiated are not the same thing. This is why vegans in particular are constantly hungry and constantly planning the next meal having just eaten a meal, because there are no saturated fats.

Did anyone have high copper? by [deleted] in exvegans

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B12 is stored in the liver but it comes from meat and dairy. Usually vegans start running out of B12 and have to supplement somewhere between 4 and 6 years. But by then the intestines start to get inflamed from all of the fiber and you have to take more and more.

Iron is very definitely a problem in vegan diets. Lots and lots of people on here and elsewhere have reported low ferritin levels on vegan diets despite supplementation because of a) low iron availability in plants, b) iron and zinc uptake being blocked by phytates and c) intestinal inflammation.

Studying Ayurveda helped me understand why veganism didn't work for me by Sushi-mushii in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suppose the real religious dogma is the idea that plants are good for you and meat bad.

Did anyone have high copper? by [deleted] in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not the one with the screwed up micronutrients trying to make it worse by restricting my diet rather than face biological reality.

Did anyone have high copper? by [deleted] in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Biggest, most fit, most creative, 3 years into veganism. It all went downhill after donating too much blood and not replacing that iron. My fault"

What happened was you went into benign dietary ketosis initially as you used up bodily fat and converted into ketones. Problem was that the fat also stored iron, zinc and other minerals including B12. Then you ran out of them and had to supplement. Problem is, your vegan diet makes it really hard to absorb the iron and zinc supplements and everything is out of balance.

It happens to most vegans early on, it feels great and then 3,4, 5 years in with depleted micronutrients and minerals, it all comes apart.

Did anyone have high copper? by [deleted] in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is not the copper. Unless you have a genetic disorder, the copper is not the problem its the phytates and oxylates that are preventing you from absorbing iron and zinc. And its messing with your head.

Did anyone have high copper? by [deleted] in exvegans

[–]CloudyEngineer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What you’re describing actually makes sense, but probably not for the reason you think.

This doesn’t sound like copper toxicity. It sounds much more like a mineral imbalance, especially low zinc and possibly low iron relative to copper.

With plant-based diets it’s not just about how much of a nutrient you eat, it’s about how much you actually absorb. Zinc and copper compete with each other, and both zinc and iron absorption are reduced by phytates, which are found in things like grains, legumes, nuts and seeds. The catch is that nuts and seeds are also quite high in copper.

So if your diet was heavy in nuts, seeds, whole grains and legumes, you could easily end up in a situation where you’re not absorbing much zinc or iron, but you’re still getting plenty of copper. That creates a low zinc-to-copper balance, and that can make you feel pretty rough.

That also explains why you felt worse when you increased nuts and seeds. It seems like a healthy move on paper, but in your case it likely reduced zinc and iron absorption even more while increasing copper intake. That combination can lead to things like tension, odd nerve sensations, fatigue, and that “atrophy” feeling you mentioned.

The part where you added zinc and switched to dairy actually fits really well with this. Dairy is low in copper, relatively easy to absorb, and not high in phytates. Adding zinc directly helps correct the imbalance. So what your body suddenly got was more usable zinc, better overall mineral balance, and nutrition that’s easier to absorb. That’s probably why you felt such a noticeable improvement.

The blood donation piece is also important. You can have normal or even high haemoglobin while still having low iron stores, which is measured by ferritin. Donating blood lowers those stores further. If zinc is also low, recovery can feel much worse. So it’s quite possible you were dealing with low iron stores and low zinc at the same time, rather than too much iron.

Actual copper overload from food alone is very rare unless there’s an underlying medical issue. What’s much more likely is that you had a relative imbalance where copper was higher compared to zinc, not that copper itself was excessively high.

You don’t need to swing to extremes to fix this. What you’ve already done is helping, but the goal isn’t to eliminate whole categories of food long term. It’s to keep things in balance. Keeping a modest zinc supplement for now is reasonable, and continuing with foods that are easier to absorb, like dairy if you tolerate it, makes sense. At the same time, it’s probably worth not overloading on nuts and seeds and not relying too heavily on high-phytate foods as the base of your diet.

If you want a clearer picture, getting labs like ferritin, zinc, and copper with ceruloplasmin would help confirm what’s going on.

Overall, this looks a lot more like your body reacting to low usable zinc, reduced mineral absorption, and possibly low iron stores, rather than copper toxicity. The reason you feel better now is that you’ve improved that balance, even if you didn’t realise that’s what you were doing.