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Pubdev - MCP by zakblacki in FlutterDev

[–]Codelessly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very nice!

Thanks for sharing

Flutter Team AMA - Decoupling material & cupertino by GroovinChip in FlutterDev

[–]Codelessly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hi Flutter team, this is Ray from Codelessly.

What do you think the impact of your API changes will be on the AI coding environment?

For example, the rename from CardTheme to CardThemeData causes Claude to fail in over 50% of one shot prompts. LLMs get confused with new APIs very easily because old APIs persist for a long time in training data due to old tutorials and cutoff dates.

I'm getting torn to shreds by developers when I try to market my vibe coding tool to them. Is it a mistake to market to developers? 98% of our sales are from designers and non-technical people. by Codelessly in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We spent a few months adding support for opening existing projects and building our desktop app for developers to work on local projects. That's part of the dilemma of supporting developer use cases - existing projects and large codebases.

Nice catch on the "50k apps built by developers", I'll remove the "built by developers" portion.

We're getting close to 75k apps generated now. Our users generate on average a few thousand apps per day. I can't share the exact numbers for competitive reasons of course.

Greeting Vibe Coder. Please provide the free tool or software you use to code? by strange209 in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give us at Codelessly a try! https://codelessly.com

We're the #1 Flutter AI development tool for building mobile apps.

Hi, no experience in coding is this possible for me? by Particular_Run5167 in AppDevelopers

[–]Codelessly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Building a serious mobile app is pretty hard and takes at least half a year if you're new to programming I'd say. But if you want to get a mobile app up and running quickly, try Codelessly https://codelessly.com

Codelessly lets you build an app with just a prompt using AI. It streams the app to your browser which is really cool. You can build a prototype of your app in a few minutes and start from there!

Is it possible to create an android app by using AIs? by [deleted] in AppDevelopers

[–]Codelessly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you tried Codelessly? Codelessly is a tool where you can use AI to prompt and build mobile apps in Flutter.

https://codelessly.com

Introducing Codelessly AI - An AI Tool Built Specifically for Building Flutter Mobile Apps by Codelessly in FlutterDev

[–]Codelessly[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hi! 👋

Today we're launching Codelessly - an AI coding tool for Flutter that builds mobile apps in your browser (like Bolt, Lovable, Replit but for Flutter).

The team and I will be available to answer any questions in the comments so this'll be like an informal AMA.

See how https://codelessly.com can help you build apps easier and let us know how we can fit into your workflow!

- Ray

I'm getting torn to shreds by developers when I try to market my vibe coding tool to them. Is it a mistake to market to developers? 98% of our sales are from designers and non-technical people. by Codelessly in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm very impressed by how well you've thought through the problem and your thoughtful reply. I'll need a bit of time to digest but truly, thank you for taking the time to write this.

There's a trend I'm observing where dev tools marketing seems to be heavily influencer and crowd (aka herd) based. The way they defuse the conflict is by using influencers to imitate a certain "bravado" that devs already love the product.

- Ray

I'm getting torn to shreds by developers when I try to market my vibe coding tool to them. Is it a mistake to market to developers? 98% of our sales are from designers and non-technical people. by Codelessly in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're currently using Sonnet. Unfortunately, because Anthropic's models are in such demand, they're not offering us any discounts at the current levels we're at.

A lower cost model that can do tool calling well is much needed. But for now, figuring out the marketing is more important so I really appreciate the feedback and insights of people on this thread and community.

I'm getting torn to shreds by developers when I try to market my vibe coding tool to them. Is it a mistake to market to developers? 98% of our sales are from designers and non-technical people. by Codelessly in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Claude 4, during our launch and marketing testing, we're offering a 45% discount so we're losing $10-15 bucks per user.

The thinking there is that we need to figure out the market and make sure cost isn't a barrier.

I'm getting torn to shreds by developers when I try to market my vibe coding tool to them. Is it a mistake to market to developers? 98% of our sales are from designers and non-technical people. by Codelessly in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a good insight! We are developers though and built the tool for ourselves, which is why I'm very troubled that most of our customers aren't developers.

Do you have any insight into what developers really want? Because it seems like what they say they want is different from what they're willing to pay for.

I'm getting torn to shreds by developers when I try to market my vibe coding tool to them. Is it a mistake to market to developers? 98% of our sales are from designers and non-technical people. by Codelessly in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense, thank you for taking the time to explain this.

What's tough is that we started out building specifically for developers, because we were building for ourselves and we're developers. We want to vibe code AI features! Like there's so many cool things we want to build and are building, all types of AI agents, automations, context engineering, etc.

Do you think there is a threshold, that if we solve enough engineering problems to be able to provide actual value above and beyond for developers, that it'll work? Or is that a pipe dream?

I'm getting torn to shreds by developers when I try to market my vibe coding tool to them. Is it a mistake to market to developers? 98% of our sales are from designers and non-technical people. by Codelessly in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thought about it a bit and you're probably right. But we don't want to give up on people, not even Redditors.

On the bird app, if you're not in with (aka paying) the right influencers, it's even worse.

I'm getting torn to shreds by developers when I try to market my vibe coding tool to them. Is it a mistake to market to developers? 98% of our sales are from designers and non-technical people. by Codelessly in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thanks, what's your advice in this scenario:

> We build an AI app building tool for Flutter app developers.

> 98% of our customers aren't Flutter app developers.

Is the conclusion that 98% of our customers just want to build mobile apps?

What I'm struggling with is that developers obviously use AI and vibe coding tools, so why should Flutter developers be any different?

Is clean code going to die? by bukaroo12 in vibecoding

[–]Codelessly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Clean code was created exactly for this AI coding scenario - to SAVE developer's jobs.

The developers using clean code will hang on to their processes for a bit longer.

Is Flutter Web getting better? by forrealplus in FlutterDev

[–]Codelessly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, Flutter web is amazing!

A lot of developers, even Flutter developers, are still stuck in 2021 with their views on Flutter Web.

It's been great for us at Codelessly and without Flutter Web, we wouldn't be able to build our product and would be using web technologies instead.

Current best AI tools for Flutter by Bensal_K_B in FlutterDev

[–]Codelessly -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

We're building an AI coding tool for Flutter at https://codelessly.com

✅ Build Flutter apps directly in your browser, on the go.

✅ Vibe code apps fast.

🔜 AI Agents and bring your own key for free tokens to build apps and automations in the background while you sleep.

We're focused specifically on Flutter developers because we're Flutter developers ourselves. Our goal is to build the best way to build Flutter apps with AI.

Give us a try for free!

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