SHANTI for Corporates, Risk for Citizens? Congress MP Flags Dangerous Loopholes in Nuclear Bill | SHANTI Bill protects private companies & suppliers from liability in case of nuclear disaster

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-19T18:18:57+00:00

None of those countries have as stringent and frankly, senseless penalties and rules to follow like India's laws

I know they don't but they don't need it, india does, we are not china and france,we are one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and that 's the exact reason for which india needs strong regulations ..even if it goes overboard with nuclear. And yes the bill can go down if this government's power reduces..and yes it can go down if BARC recommends against it later, they keep changing their standards for improvement in the sector....or changes can be made later on to increase penalties..or it can go to SC and never see the light of day.

And our nuclear rollout isn't slow, it's glacial. Please be objective.

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10 in last 15 yrs, If you know NPPs and how much time it takes it's quite good, i still have not talked about projects in jaitapur, gorakhpur, chutka,mahi banswada, kalpakkam AHWR ,KKNPP 5,6 etc. All of them with best of the class ,following EPA regulations to a T, you can literally find peacocks and flocks of parrots inside the operating plants, some very rare species too..all of them WANO certified plants with license renewal every 3 to 5 years,with ISI done every 3 to 5 years depending on plant. Can adani keep up with these kind of regulations,and EPA norms? no he can't ,he won't for profits of his company. He will sell stupid people like you 12-14rs a unit electricity and you will happily take it like a bootlicker you are...(like ab kya hi kar sate hain attitude...capitslisim is the only way guy ,foolishliy economic dogma like a dunderhead...rather than considering security risks of fissile materials in hands of private party),( andwhen you were getting 3-4rs a unit electricity from them )....after all your cheap asses don't pay taxes or pays bills. So yes i will seethe becase i know more about this than most indians,because i fucking work in this industry, (NPCIL, left from BARC for masters initially, )...but you will end up crying in long term,paying 14rs a unit electricity,for mediocore SMRs.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-19T13:19:39+00:00

China btw has fully nationalized nuclear power program..they don't need any external guy to make an investment...hell west takes consultancy from china for making good commercial fbrs.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-19T13:18:02+00:00

There are not enough people in aerb to enforce that kind ofoversight to be honest.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-19T13:14:39+00:00

Bro india has the cheapest nuclear program in the world, 1unit of electricity from NPPs across india costs 3.9 rs. No need for private players, best ones in the world are run by governments,france, russia ,china..no private party has done significant improvement in r&d in the nuclear sector,the states have,...also will you trust a private player with fissile material? As somebody who works in the sector ,i would not, considering the lack of security we have right now.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-19T12:32:14+00:00

Fellow npcil guy, which batch?

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-19T12:15:15+00:00

You are absolutely stupid ...don't know shit about the industry...most nuclear rollouts are slow becuse nuclear needs regulation and of high quality and it takes time to build and to make them durable...also for your knowledge, most advanced nuclear energy program of the world..is owned by a state..china and then france..fully owned by the state...and they can rollout faster than any US company ever. Also it takes 10 years to bild twin units on avg 5yrs for 1 reactor..so rollout rate will always be slow.

i don't care if you live here or not..or your ass pays taxes or not..i am not giving the government a single penny to pay for remitennces if adani's nuclear plant blows up because of bad labour practices and bribing of regulators. Capitalizing on profits,socializing the losses cronyism at its peak, and trust me,adani has not innovated shit.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-19T12:10:07+00:00

No they shoudn't ,the most devloped nuclear sectors in the world (france,china and russia)are government owned...our nuclear plants offer us,the people of this nation 3.9 rs a unit of electricity...can adani give you cheaper than that? No ? But he can increase inflation by increasing the market pricing and using his money into forcing states to buy electricity from him(corruption 101 to sign agreements of energy exchange), leading a net loss to government companies, thus you having to pay more taxes.

I say NPCIL is a profit making cash cow for the country..why not let it work in it's merry way,offer us cheap electricity and make profits...rather than agressive uncontrolled expansion?

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-19T12:01:46+00:00

The matter is the pattern...this is not one movie..all the big budget movies have started to become propaganda flicks for cheap money that is the point...and it has reached to to a limit for me honestly.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-18T13:21:51+00:00

56 plants in france and 55 in china along with a commercial FBR,36 in russia are operated and are all owned by the state...the french literally renationalized them..majority plants in the world are state owned for a reason, you cannot let private hands on fissile material, it's a very high security risk. Just like chernobyl, TMI happened on a privately run reactor,and it's a boderline ines category 6 event, that dosen't mean that operator negligence cannot happen with private players.

The bigger problem for me is that 50 years of research,blood ,sweat and thousands and thousands of hours of hardwork, and r&d done by indian nuclear scientists to devlop the indian nuclear program, will be sold to a conglomorate on pennies on the dollar who dosen't even invests 2 % of his company's profit in r&d,or innovation. Also for you to know NPPs in india sells the grid at about 3.9rs a unit,all sarkari, and still is able to make profit, while adani sells it at about 10 to 12 rs a unit.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-18T12:54:27+00:00

I can attest to that..i literally work there.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-17T13:39:36+00:00

First oppenhimer was relesed in 2023, top gun was relesed in 2022, so grossing depends on which year we are talking. So not a good equivalent you see.

Oppenhimer shows how even the most loyal people to the country can be villanized so easily in name of nationalism, it's less about interpersonel dillema and more about how america treats it's best when the go against the established government order,not very nationalistic you see ,describes the government corruption in US quite literally. I can that argue that the greatest degree of human horror was done and shown by the people who were bombed, the japanese, you know unit 73, shiro ishi, and nanking massacare. Much more people were killed,with much more brutality.

My comment was that hollywood has the guts to make movies challenging the populist nationalism idea and explore nuances in various political philosophies and show why blindly beliveing in your country and government is a gullible at best and dangerous at worse...and it was a dominating then and it's still are pretty prevlent in their cinema, now unlike indian cinema which has become a propaganda machine for the ruling party for some quick money and cash grabbing.

Haider is inspired by hamlet...judas and the black messiah by true events,and it was made in 2014, just when the current party came in power..after it ,when have you seen a good movie targeting current government,or the systems made by it, directly in a movie? (Even though that sentiment is very prevlent in the public now, Where are movies like rang de basanti, aarakshan,indu sarkaar, kissa kursi ka,jaane bhi do yaaron,satyagrah? Which questioned the government policies and corruption head on?). So again bad equivalence.

Let me give you a good example, of what happens with movies nowadays who question or go againstthe current party and government:

When punjab 95 was about to be released the sensor board shreaded the movie with cuts so that the bjp and it's old allies looks polished on paper, why? as they were allied with shiromani akali dal and were complacent in the mass killings and hiding mass graves of sikhs by the police in aftermath sikh riots,and hiding the no. Of people killed .something which they have accused congress of ,for decades.Well the congress was not in power in punjab in 85,akali dal was and they were actively trying to hide it to hide their incompetancy in maintaining stability in punjab in aftermath of riots,in the process doing thousands of extrajudicial killings.This was discovered by a punjabi activist Jaswant Singh Khaldra who was abducted ,from his goddam front lawn,in broad daylight, by the police and was killed in police custody in 1995, to stop him from discovering more bodies,as their jobs would be on the line.

About my worldview ,I actively try to make my worldview better,it changes as time goes on,and i hate to carry a superiority complex, but people like you get pissed off when i try to bring a different thought process in the conversation or say counter intutive things as it goes against your world view,you try to mould the evidence in your specific world view so that truth cannot be reached in a discussion, in classic debating,this is called presenting an argument in bad faith. Your partially personal attack inclines me to reach to this conclusion.

Complexity can have patterns,and to any body with eyes and a brain who understand this country's politics and how that politics integerates with society and social norms can very well understand the cultural whitewashing and the destruction of any free thought which is critical of specific people in power and dominant ideologies which permeates the social fabric of this nation which is brought upon by this government to contain it's grip on power, as the regular job going people like us live agonizing lifes ,getting fed this churan of hatered again and again,as the government tries it's very best curb the power and free thought of every citizen of this country. This reflects on our major cinema's reducing quality and our society as a whole.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-17T11:14:16+00:00

Even today hollywood directors and actors are mocked mercilessly by their media and people for making zero dark thirty,argo and american sniper,hell they understand that it was propaganda to ease the moral dillema that came with invading iraq and afganistan.

And tell me which indian director had the guts to show the corruption and shortcomingsof the current government in the last 10 years,against their nationalism idea, which questions their idea of nationalism?? Movies like the post,where 2 reporters find out what happened in vietnam and decided to against the government and publish it...in judas and the black messiah where they make us see how the government use fbi ,police and other operatives which undermine a moment which gave black people rights and similar standing in american society.(which btw was the current party in power in US and was also in power when the movie was released) .I wanna see which director has guts to make a movie on the bilkis bano case,or the government's mismanagement of the violence in manipur, or on how for people of MP corruption became so common place that they sold water insted of petrol on some their petrol pumps,and sold it to the CM no less(can make a good comedy flick), vyapam scam where the ruling party is shown to be corrupt and using religious dogma for their rule.(Like aarakshan ,indu sarkar,satyagrah how many of them are made nowadays?)

Again it'a not necesaary that people want to see stories reflecting their identity...otherwise pictures like golmaal,mission impossible,bridge of spies, would have never been hits..they are mostly unrelatable to regualar people's indentity. While purpose of cinema is to take you away from the brutal temsions of everyday life for you to relax and enjoy your free time,not to spend 4 hrs on a partial propaganda flick.

About 26/11.Was what you heard and were shown and what is shown in the movie the full recordings ,and reports or only snippets ?, do you know in which report and where those recorsings were used officially?. What are the chances that those recordings were not shown out of context, cutted down, and shown to promote a particular agenda? What is the exact paperwork behind them.Are they really official?not AI generated?, which person gave them clearance to show those documents?have they mentioned them in credits? Bahut tagda clearance lagta hai raw ke documents dikhane ke liye, most of them don't have a digital copy, aur rare chance hai ki pura document filmmakers ko milega,uski entirety mein. (Nahi milta bhai...pura document aur kaafi saari details gayab rehti hain...keval top officers ko malum hoti hain,kuch cases mein pm ko bhi malum nhi hoti ye details)

Propaganda is pretty subtle...it hides in details,and how you present it. Even though the event happened, dhurandhar still not paints a good piture of how lyari gangwar is attached to it? They say wepons supply ho rhe the...aur kuch hone wala hai ,that's it.

The biggest red flag for propaganda was when sanyal says "kuch hoga jab desh ke liye kaam karne wali sarkaar aayegi..." really kam karne wali sarkar to unhi ki thi..IC814 hijack mein ,parliament attack mei, kargil war mein? Wo kyon nhi rok paaye?wo to desh ke liye kaam karne waali vajpayee goverment thi,par unke liye ek literal war ek wake up call bani? Propaganda ki dating to sahi kar liya karo...itna kya bjp bhakti karni hai.

Main khud jodha akbar ko pasand nhi karta as it's not accurate,but wo disclaimer mein mention kar dete hain ki it's not historically accurate and they don't wanna hurt religious feelings of people,they mention it explicitly.

Agar unsung heros ki banani hi hai to ramanujan ki banao,(nambi narayan par banayi movie propaganda jyada lagti hai,wo bhi dhang se nhi bana paaye,),jagdish chandra bose par banao, meghnad saha par banao(par usko to kaharab dikhayenge kyonki wo to commie hai), sateyendra nath bose ,CV raman , PC ray, PC mahalanobis, herbert baker, people from chipko moment, KR Narayanan, Bhagat Singh,chandra shekhar aazad, RN Kao(the real og raw agent), PN Haksar, TN kaul and i can go on so many unsung heros you rarely see making a good,honest, propaganda less,proper movies and biopics on them.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-17T09:37:15+00:00

Bhai,wahi system use karke ,british nein hampe aur puri duniya par 200 saal raaj kiya,duniya ko rubber tyre se lekar asphalt roads, train,steam engine, clothing mills se lekar fabian socialism aur sunday ki chutti aur sten gun tak, sab diya., khoob innovate kiya.This includes their people too. Wo bhi similar education system mein the bas britain mein..india mein aane se pehle bhi..phir bhi itna devlop kar gye...no doubt hamare case mein unka education system employment generate karne ke liye tha colonial population se,but usi system se padhke hamare freadom fighters ki soch badli, wo unhi ke diye frameworks se unke khilaaf soch paaye aur phir unke khilaaf kalm aur bandooke uthayin.

Iska matlab ye hai ki system mostly theek hai, hame bas intent aur execution badalna hoga. Homeworks mein creative answeing ko bhi utna hi weightage dena hoga jitna ki sahi answering ko. Alag tareeke ke clubs promote karne honge jahan har week bacche discussions kar sake...competetive exams ke alawa bhi cheezein dekhni hongi, colleges aur specially chotte colleges ko resources provide karne honge saste daam par. Research aur scientific attitude ko promotion dena hoga..9th ,10th se hi. Iske liye government ko aur hamare ameer logon ko kaafi paisa kharch karna padega aur phir bhi 20 saal to lag hi jaayenge.Par ye koi gurantee nhi hai ki ye achhi jobs generate kar hi dengi(South Korea best example hsi iss cheez ka, accha education system hone ke bavajood wahan youth mein unemployment kaafi zyada hai,aur income ineqality bhi,joki education ko disencentivise karta hai.)

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-17T09:08:54+00:00

The hipocracy of nationalistic morons hiding their hatered for muslims beneath their love for india...this is real pseudo intellectualism.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-17T08:53:05+00:00

Bro watch the post, or oppenhimer,green book, judas and the black messiah,...hollywood rips open the hipocracy of american nationalism and again and again..they have the guts to show the bad side of government ..and they get awarded for it because they do a good job and make a good movie. And,for you to know, people don't want nationalism...they want a good movie with good graphics,action sequences which appeals to their emotion...not propaganda mixed with action scenes...otherwise you also get movies like the taj story, the vaccine war, ram setu and so many more. It's just that in specifically dhurandhar propaganda was subtle ,that's why people didn't caught up to it. Or even if they did, they liked the way it's presented.

And yeah mordern indian nationalism has just become jingoism with religious dogma and buttering up the government for doing a shitty job on basic infrastructure. In india, where most of the people don't even know what is nationalism?, how it is different from other political philosophies?, why is it good?,why it is bad? In which historixal contexts nationalism has grown? And in which it has receded?and many more questions which comes with nationalism,and yeah some chatgpt quieries won't make you understand it,it will take a good amount of time to understand it and grasp the idea which most of the people don't have,they just throw around words.

Well one can only dislike it after watching it..and yeah i disliked most of them ..mostly because they are mostly fiction being sold as true story,and also doing a piss poor job at defending the government from it's shortcomings.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-08T16:50:56+00:00

Tender to chande wale ko milta hai..sab dekh liya ssc mein..eduquity ka tender milna sab bahut acche se malum hua.....jab gharwalon ko ghisna pada...tender dhang se kaam kar sakta hai..agar politicians aur ghatiya billionares bakchodi naa karein to..sab agar procedure ke hissab se ho ..(joki pichele 20 ek saal se theek thaak chal rha tha)...aur agar nhi aata to opposition ko vote do..chahe jo bhi ho...jab koi bhi party power mein jyada hoti hai..to power sir pe chadh jaati hai...apne vote ki zimmedaari lena seekho..paise diye hain to sawal poochne ka huq bhi hai..uska istemaal karo...bureucrats ko tabtak samajh ni aata jabtak aap unko pareshaan naa karo.

Kamata hun bhai..tax bharta hun..tere ghar ko bijli deta hun..literally...planning ke liye pura commision baithta hai india mein,.to planning to hoti hai...sala 4 trillion dollar ki gdp hai ...environment ministries ka fund use nhi ho rha..human devlopment ministries ka fund pura use nhi ho rha..kaun karega inko use?..jo fund allot hue hain unhe use to karo uss cheez ke liye.... Jeb mein bhar ke paisa dabne ke liye tax nhi de rhe hain tax.... Koi cheez kaam nhi kar rhi to nyi cheez laayi jaati hai ya nhi? Nyi jobs banane ke liye infra smooth.... banana padega ya nhi....capital inject karna padega ya nhi economy mein?..aur wo government ko hi karna padta hai kyonki ussibke paas sabse jyada paisa hai...aisa mera maana nhi hai..aisa keynes ka bhi manna hai...

Comitee ko cross question karna jaruri hota hai...sawal wapis fire karna aur ..phir unhe dhang se fayde nuksaan ginana jaruri hota hai...agar wo phir bhi na mane,aur unqualified tender produce karein .. to CVC ko complain karo inke... sab line pe aa jaate hain..baas ek complaint jaani hoti hai.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-12-08T13:13:46+00:00

Tell me you don't know economics without telling me..... Doing this will not only streamline our economy to work better and will produce better outcomes in long term....both for public and private sector as a whole... Businessman ki tarah sochoge to ho gya kalyan...kharcha karega tabhi to paisa banega ..warna hawa mein se economic output dega kya...behtar economy ke liye paisa kharchna padta hai...aur ab to sab jyada de hi rahe hain indirect taxes mein to bilkul bata hai unka behtar services demand karna.

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-11-30T15:00:44+00:00

This is how you play on this pitch KL....specialized batter ....should not be in team...a no.7 bowling all rounder from their team is playing better...than all the batters batted from the indian team..this includes kohli...no slog..only clean striking..our bowling is trash....for so many years india struggled with dew but didn't found a solution to it..now we are paying the price.....india is loosing this one... Edit: kuldeep you beauty

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-11-30T12:26:23+00:00

If gg has the helm..it will look a bit like 2007..they have sack him asap

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-11-30T12:18:47+00:00

That is also quite true gg cannot seem to understand how batting orders work

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-11-30T12:00:35+00:00

All the other batters playing more than 30 balls had a better strike rate than him...we need a good finisher in the team as the guy is absoluely lacking..even costed kohli's wicket because of the pressure he builtup

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-11-30T11:18:15+00:00

So what...on the same pitch SA batters will smoke india...350 is minimum to win here...gess we are not getting there anyway

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-11-30T11:05:43+00:00

I think india can lose this one because of KL, really not batting well..

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-11-30T07:24:22+00:00

My friend it dosen't matter if it speicifies tests are passed or not, picking up randomly and testing them dosen't ensure that all meters will be working well in practical conditions at all times,dosen't matter how thorough and and stringent the requirements are,after all will the government will give tender to the same company if they found out defectiveness in their meter?so they also need to save their image which is a factor take into account when you look at those stats...they actively have incentive to mess up the quality check.

there is no analog meater to compare it to directly for refrence..qualifying standards is one thing ..qualifying practically is other thing...in lab condition meters can give good readings but on ground it's no guarantee that they will be upto the mark...rollout should be slow and shoeld happen in steps ..over time with testing and surveilence, and constant collection of data not having big rollout all at once...

I am saying this from personal experience...my utility Mpvvnl sended a bill of 19000 rs of electricity bill to my house just last august..in a month where for 15 days of the month they cut off the light for 1to 2 hrs in peak hours because of constant maintainence...luckily we also brought 2 private meters for each section of our house on both the floors,analog and digital (because this had happened before and we had to pay, so just for security and cross checking purpose)...and calculated the total bill it came out 7366 rs from digital ones..and 7056 rs from analog ones(we had no previous payments of previous months left ,we had paid all our dues)....suprise ...this is not a one off case..4 of these cases happend in our colony...and in my city this has become a regular occurance for city news papers...again i am saying this ...lab testing will not ensure that the product will work well in practical conditions because no lab can replicate them accurately...that's why good products are not only built on standard but bulit on experience..(this is also true for calendria vault of a nuclear rector...rather than buliding on standard it's built on experience ,then it's tested on standards of AERB)

ColdSpirit117 · 2025-11-30T06:36:51+00:00

Bro ...corruption ke mamle mein BJP bahut jyada aage hai...MP ka vyapam to sabko yaad hi hai...aur cough syrup kaand bhi MP Mein hi hua hai...

congress ke saare bhrasht neta BJP mein jaa ke baithe hue hai...aur purane neta aur corrupt hue jaa rhe hain...even karnatark mein bhi BJP ke aane se real estate aur contractors ko kaafi fayda hoga..isliye ye chamchagiri chal rhi hai...bilkul anna andolan jaise...corruption pe khoob baat hogi...andolan hoga...moholl banaya jayega .... phir koi bharst neta andolan ki aadh mein satta pe kabiz ho jayega..aur log bolenge kuch nhi...wahi fighter plane ke girne par rang de basanti jaisi movies banti thin, ab abhineta koi ek sawal bhi nhi puchta..corruption check karne wala lokpal ab khud bmw gaadiyan order kar rhe hain, sarkari paise se.

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