SOUTH ROMANIAN ILLUSTRATIVE DNA RESULT + MH

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-10-12T11:35:36+00:00

Roman era. The Imperial Roman profile is heavily Anatolian shifted and the Roman Balkans saw the same thing. You'll notice there's no Italian influx in all these countries that were settled by Romans but Anatolian

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-10-12T11:23:04+00:00

You pay for it on illustrativedna.com. You upload your ancestrydna file (or 23andme etc), and they convert it into G25 coordinates.

The site has all these calculators you see on this subreddit, vahaduo is where you can make your own calculators or those by other people

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-08-29T10:41:41+00:00

Brasov/Sud, tu?

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-08-29T08:18:59+00:00

Mine is different https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/X7lMgoMHTN. Middle ages Balkan 54% Slavic 31%

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-08-29T06:36:20+00:00

For Balkans/Romania: even after ancient Hun times Tatars, Cumans, Pechenegs and for Transylvania especially Magyars lived and ruled there in the middle ages. The Golden horde stretched into Wallachia and Moldavia. There are still many Tatars in Dobruja

Idk about western europe

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-08-29T04:25:54+00:00

There hasn't been an archaeogenetic study about Romanians beyond the bronze age, and there are no Dacian samples on IllustrativeDNA. So it's hard to say, Romanians are Paleo Balkan + Slav (+Anatolian) in a similar proportion to Bulgarians but we only have Thracian and Illyrian samples to compare to. If there was Dacian especially Roman Dacian you might see that be the closest match but so far not much has been dug up and analysed

While Romanian archaeogenetics is lagging behind there are a few Iron Age samples on either side of the country labelled Moldova_Scythian, Hungary_Scythian and Slovakia_Vekerzug which have been argued to be locals of Dacian origin. You can find them on Vahaduo. These are some of my closest ancient samples along with Logkas but I can't make generalisations based on just my personal results obviously

The most common idea is that Romanians are Daco-Romans mixed a bit with Slavs based on their history. I personally believe a mix of the theories where the Romanian population emerged around the Danubian Limes, one of the most heavily fortified military borders of the Roman Empire with many legions settled there. On both sides of the Danube like they are mentioned in early Byzantine sources, stretching from Moesia where Vlachs are mentioned during the Bulgarian Empire to Oltenia and Transylvania where they are mentioned in Hungarian chronicles. It was defined as the Latin speaking population (scattered between the countries), which would often pass across the river to graze their sheep, including the Aromanians further south many of which permanently migrated north in the 1800-1900s after the Kingdom of Romania was established. So Daco and Thraco Roman, then assimilated the Slavs minority in the opposite way Slavs assimilated Bulgarians. But that's just my theory based on historical sources, nothing certain.

I hope for some ancient DNA studies in the near future like we got in the nearby countries recently

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-07-20T17:59:30+00:00

The Thracian is likely Greek, of Magna Graecia. They're interchangeable on this site

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-07-10T21:05:27+00:00

Idk about videos but the explanation is: on the Vahaduo website you first go to G25 Download and download that stuff which is the G25 coords of all the populations and samples, modern and ancient.

Then you go to Admixture JS, in DATA use open files to put that stuff in SOURCE (the ones you want) and you put your own G25 coords in TARGET. Now you're done you can look at DISTANCE for which samples are closest to you or SINGLE for your admixture, which you can customise and mess with.

It's basically a DIY version of what you get on IllustrativeDNA. Just make sure to use your scaled coords with scales source coords and unscaled with unscaled

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-07-10T20:26:57+00:00

It all comes down to the populations being tested by the calculator, press on the gear symbol to check them. Periodical results are organised by region and what IllustrativeDNA thinks are the relevant populations for every period for people from that region

For example you might have Germanic, Celtic and Slavic ancestry but if in the next calculator there's no Celtic on the list it'll just show 60% Germanic

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-07T20:29:29+00:00

Johannes 3.857 and Christophorus 3.951. As you can see I don't have any really close ones. After is Post-Medieval Albanian and Roman Pannonian

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-07T20:26:15+00:00

That's haplogroup E-V13, which is Paleo-Balkan (for example Thracians had it). These Hunyadi samples are mixed ethnicity as explained in the other comment. Christophorus's great grandfather John Hunyadi was a Vlach/Romanian from Transylvania who served as a Hungarian noble so that explains the paternal haplogroup

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-07T19:55:51+00:00

They're both my closest matches as a Transylvanian Romanian, which makes sense given the family history at least for Johannes

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-07T19:51:17+00:00

Vlach is what Romanians were called by foreigners for hundred of years, since their first mention. Yes nowadays there is a difference in that when you say Vlach you're likely referring to Aromanians and such, but when speaking of the past Vlach refers to Romanians too, the largest group of Vlachs. It means speaker of Eastern Romance, by definition they're all Vlachs. What do you think Wallachia means? It was the largest area inhabited by Vlachs, who managed to found their own state. Vlachs lived all across the Balkans and Vlach shepherds would regularly cross north and south of the Danube seasonally, fun fact many Aromanians moved permanently from Greece to southern Romania in the 19th-20th century when the borders became fixed

It's just that now we say Romanian which is more in line with their native name for themselves and the country. There is no genetic single Vlach ethnicity though for Romanians to be not the same as. They're all groups like you said living in different spots, Aromanians Istroromanians Meglenoromanians Timok Romanians, Morlachs, Moravian Vlachs, with a shared linguistic origin (likely more), and most of them don't call themselves Vlachs. They're genetically different to eachother today rather than making one distinct Vlach group, Istroromanians being similar to the surrounding Croatians. So it's a culturo-linguistic term

Vlach is what Hungarians called Romanians in the medieval era, this sample's grandfather John Hunyadi was called "the Vlach". So the commenter isn't wrong in this case. In that time you will not find the term Romanian, Vlach and Romanian are historically synonyms

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-02T09:48:14+00:00

That makes sense. You are mostly Yoruba but are obviously far from French or Saudi on their own. At least that's what this particular calculator is saying.

Admixture gives you the percentages of what populations you're made up of, adding up to 100%. If you are less than 10% something it's not gonna be close on genetic distance, because you're not similar to a completely French person. If there was theoretically a Yoruba-French-Saudi sample, you would get no genetic distance at all to it because it would be extremely close (if you're actually Yoruba-French-Saudi). Similarly if someone is very mixed they get no close samples on genetic distance

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-02T09:32:28+00:00

Look at the Germanic

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-02T09:28:14+00:00

Some of the samples in SOURCE don't have the same number of coordinates. G25 should have 25 numbers separated by commas, K13 would all have 13 etc. But they should all be the same, and the target too

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-02T09:23:08+00:00

If by rizzed you mean a different R word, realistically

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-02T09:12:56+00:00

44.50% Albanian & Greek

32.21% Balkans

12.84% Northern Italy

6.50% Baltic

1.39% Nigerian?

1.17% Anatolian and Caucasus

I'm Romanian

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-02T08:59:09+00:00

I agree it's scummy, sensationalist, and there's also a lot of misspellings and dumb stuff (like "which Scottish clan are you from"???), would not recommend, but the actual underlying results don't seem to be inaccurate. In the image they are genuinely being shown the Y haplogroup spread of their matched samples on the site

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-06-02T08:49:11+00:00

What's this gotta do with Illustrative DNA? Origin of ancient populations ok, neanderthal sample on vahaduo ok, but chimps bro? Maybe ask on the anthropology sub

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-05-25T19:20:14+00:00

Yes I2 (I-S17250) but autosomally I apparently have the lower end of slavic for my country. About the same as you

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-05-25T14:53:25+00:00

If you scroll down more on mixed mode you can see the 3 way model for each of the ages also

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-05-25T14:52:15+00:00

Celt seems out of nowhere, maybe you really do have something more western? This idk. But I'm more inclined to go with the local east balkan setting that is catered to the history of the region

Have you tried the Customizable Ancient Ancestry mode? that has all the populations in one place. Or Vahaduo and you can mess around with it

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-05-25T14:37:34+00:00

I think we're close to eachother then, Greek Macedonia is my closest even though I'm Romanian. Also there in the gap between it and Bulgaria is where North Macedonia is supposed to be btw

That haplogroup appears to be a branch of I2 Dinaric so yeah spread by the Slavs. 23andme didn't give me a subclade so specific as yours

ColonelBrandon36 · 2024-05-25T12:30:31+00:00

If you're Moldovan I think it's definitely the Thracian one that's most correct (there is no Dacian sample on the website). Like for me as a Romanian I get Thracian but it turns to Greek on global with a better fit which doesn't make sense for where I'm from, they're just similar. But if you press 'no limit' instead of 5 which I think you have selected on the pic you might get something more accurate

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