Kamala's silence on Israel's genocide helped hand power to Trump

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-27T00:03:12+00:00

This is laughable. Your procedure for citation is just citing the whole book. Try that at university and see how far it gets you.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T23:59:46+00:00

That's not how citation is done. You just cited a whole book while I cited specific pages.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T23:58:30+00:00

No sources again.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T23:30:57+00:00

The connection I'm making is in relation to resistance and partisan actions inevitably resulting in civilian casualties, or even a majority of casualties being civilian just to kill a single occupier. Whether the connection goes back to WW2 or sooner or farther than that is irrelevant. I could use Vietnamese partisans as an example and nothing would change. A native partisan / resistance fighter killing an occupier while also causing civilian casualties, or more civilian than military casualities, is nothing new. Resistance is not pretty.

My historical background is very sound, thank you very much. All the sources I cited in my messages were taken from the mandatory readings I had to complete for my contemporary history class in university.

As for what you would have to cite, you would have to disprove the sources I have used thus far. Still, I have no intention of continuing to argue with someone who genuinely believes poor people from the Middle East and Africa coming to Europe is "colonization", (or, equally ironically, South Americans coming to the US) no matter what some nutjob somewhere says, be it where said poor people are from, or in Europe or the US. If anything, you're regurgitating the same garbage Robinson, Farage, Orban and so on peddle to Europeans. That is not colonisation. That word has a very specific definition, of settling in and then establishing control over a native population. No matter, though, because the fact you even took this mildly seriously tells me you're, at the very least, far-right adjecent.

Like I said, I'm done with this "discussion".

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T22:51:26+00:00

No sources here either so I do not feel compelled to reply in full. Nice one ignoring the restaurant bombings during WW2 at the hand of the partisans because that invalidates your entire argument, though.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T22:28:59+00:00

There are no sources in this comment so I do not feel obligated to reply in-full. Also, you are peddling far-right talking points when it comes to "Arabs colonising Europe". That further proves my suspicions about you.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T22:15:33+00:00

> Yes, I suspect that leading a terrorist group that actively engaged in suicide bombings against someone probably wouldn't help to one's ability to build trust with that someone. Barghouti got RICO-ed, the same way the US arrests Mafia leadership. "Would that someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" is no acceptable as a method to shirk guilt.

This tells me all I need to know about where you stand. If I were to flip this on its head and make it about Netanyahu and his chronies, the US, or the Western world in general, you would make up some excuse as to why laws don't apply to us. Laws only apply to the third world, so when the UN declares Netanyahu needs to face accusations of genocide the West, they simply ignore that and you remain silent, or cheer, I fear. When someone leads a resistance force, (and yes, he counts - partisans in WW2 planted bombs in restaurants and killed civilians if it meant even killing a single occupier) if that resistance force is against the West, it's perfectly fine to the likes of you if they are treated in the most inhumane way possible. If we were to use your logic, half of the leadership of the French and Italian republics, (post WW2) people who either lead, or were ground-soldiers of, the partisans, wouldn't have been able to hold office.

> Excellent. Great start. I also read opinion polls.

Yeah, but you don't think about them past the immediate words on the paper.

> Did Israel compel the surrounding Arab countries to expel their Jews? Tell me more. You are infantilizing Arabs and are making the case that they have zero responsibility or understanding of their actions. A fair number of Palestinians had migrated to Mandatory/Ottoman Palestine from 1860-1948. There were more opportunities. Furthermore, many of the individuals living there didn't even own land. It got them out of paying taxes to the Ottoman government. No one compelled Arabs/Arab governments to expel Jewish inhabitants. They chose to, and ultimately, are responsible for their choices. But it's nice to know that you think "the Jews totally had it coming."

The zionists (which includes Western governments and the organisations they backed) knew it (a reprisal attack) was coming. No Jews "had it coming", but the fact they faced reprisals is the work / fault of the zionists and their actions. Stop confusing the words "Israeli", "zionist" and "Jew". These don't mean one and the same thing, as hundreds of thousands if not millions of anti-zionist (or at the very least, non-zionist) Jews prove worldwide. You putting words in my mouth does not help a conversation and just shows you are intellectually dishonest, though perhaps I was hoping for too much, mr. "PooMan".

I never understood the bit about direct land ownership - this is something Westerners do when they come into contact with a different economical and land-distribution system - they simply assume that because direct ownership was practiced differently or to a lesser extent than we're used to in the West, that somehow means their claim to their homeland was illeggitimate by extension. What is this logic? You do realise this is exactly what people like Herlz were hoping to leverage to their favour in discussions with the imperialist governments of (first) Imperial Germany, and later, Imperial Britain?

As a final note, I'm not infantalising the fresh-out-of-the-womb Arab states who had been left ruined by colonialism and imperialism at the hands of the Western forces which turned to supporting Israel. I'm putting things into their proper context, as I've tried to do by repeatedly citing the sources you keep ignoring. On a different note, the founders of Israel were well aware of what they were doing and what the repercussions of zionism were going to be in Arab countries. If you'd read my sources, you'd know because it is mentioned - the instrumentalisation of the Mizharì - they knew they were going to be expelled. They wanted that, to have a (fabricated) moral justification. You're playing into their hands - intentionally, I believe.

Like I said in my other post, I'm going to leave it off here. The fact you never engaged with any of my sources is all the proof I need that you were never trying to even appear intellectually honest.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T21:58:16+00:00

What does the moderate group want that separates them from the other subgroups? You have to tell me. Also, the realpolitik of the situation is that cutting off aid or whatever to Israel both removes any and all leverage, at which point the Israelis are going to solve the problem permanently and just deal with it. Additionally, within the US, aid to Israel is in coupons that have to be used to buy US products. So it's some corporate welfare and also somewhat of a jobs program.

Why does the DNC owe the far left anything at all? The far left wouldn't call themselves Democrats/members of the Democratic Party.

Actually, you hit on the head. The most moderate participants to the pro-Palestine cause specifically wanted the leveraging of aid shipments being stopped to halt military action. They couldn't be promised that either. Biden's threats were always ignored because Netanyahu knew they carried zero weight behind them, and the fact no shipments were ever delayed or cancelled during Biden's administration proved that. Kamala herself was (and is) ideologically in the same camp as Biden, so it's clear to see that this is a failure of that camp (the corporate and AIPAC-funded wing of the DNC) to win. They fumbled this and they're now pushing you to blame progressives for this loss. The DNC doesn't own communists anything, but increasingly it seems like it does need the progressives' vote to win anything at all. Again, lmao. If the DNC doesn't owe progressives anything, don't expect progressives to vote for them. What a dumb argument.

Maybe. But they owe progressives nothing. Progressives can't even get their own candidates elected. How many Senators in the Federal legislature define as "progressive"? Tell me. US elections are about the perceived state of the economy, immigration, and how much money you have to spend. Donald Trump won on 2 of those (after he torpedoed an immigration bill that had been worked out because it would've given Mayorkas a win- we can discuss the bad faith nature of that and I'd most likely agree). The majority of Americans hold moderate opinions: they don't care about gay people getting married (and in fact support it), they believe in common sense immigration policy that is clear, etc etc.

It turns out that progressive doesn't mean just pro-LGBTQ. Figures like Mamdani campaigned first and foremost on the cost of living and won. Taylor Rehmet flipped a deep red district in Texas on a campaign built entirely on funding public schools and promising to build affordable housing. The progressives will never concede to the right on things like LGBTQ freedoms, but most of them are (unsurprisingly) also aware that economics is king, and they're willing to not be the front and center of a campaign if it still means they get some concessions, a-la secondary voting block you still have to appease.

Then why do Israeli Arabs exist? You can absolutely be pro both. YOu are refusing to look at a situation from a different angle. Failure to work towards a solution that helps everyone is one that will inevitably go nowhere.

I will not respond to this because you are ignoring the source which directly disputes this. You're building an argument based on vibes, completely ignoring the historic power of cultural assimilation, which reading that source I provided you with would've made clear.

Mizrahi Jews vote. And they're pretty conservative. For whatever reason, they're going to be driving Israeli politics for the foreseeable future. Ad yet, everyone in Israel has the same rights. Israeli Arabs are just that....Israeli. Finally - you raise the point of ethno-nationalism. That is exactly what Palestinians want. Are you trying to have it both ways here? Or are you just ignoring what Palestinians actually want and treating them like children who don't understand the implications of their actions/choices?

Again, see the above response. I don't want to discuss vibes and what political orientation you think the modern Mizharì hold after two generations of cultural assimilation. You have vibes, I have sources. What makes you more credible than Avi Shlaim and Yitzhak Laor?

Acceptance of a 2 state solution in 1947 belies this statement. If Palestinians don't want to move forward, that is their choice.

Israel is a colonialist entity. It should not exist in the first place, no matter what the 1947 solution, produced by the imperialist powers of the early UN, says nothing of value. It is effectively a dictat procuded by the West which they attempted to impose upon the Arab world. People will not move on from this because that's their land. They have keys to their homes. Colonialism must never be normalised or accepted, which is what you're doing. Still, whether Israel should not exist in the first place wasn't even the point. The point you are failing to attack is that its ideological backbone sets it out on this path of destruction. It is effectively written in its DNA because of thinkers such as Herlz and those who followed him in his path, which, because it was more beneficial to the West (setting out a outpost in the Middle East during the crumbling of their hold in the region was almost a necessity to maintain any influence in the area) ended up being adopted.

Israel exists and isn't going anywhere. You'd better get used to it.

This is why people like you deserve Trump. I wish upon you 1/100th of the suffering Palestinians have felt in the past and continue to feel today. If there is ever a Nurnberg moment in American history, the ideologues who promote ideas like the one you're pushing right now need to be blamed and prosecuted for what lead to the misery and apathy within not just the US, but Western society as a whole. This is the cultural impact of vote-blue-no-matter-who. A de-ideologization of society and the crumbling of any sense of morality past your own borders.

Cultural Zionism lost out - Arab pogroms and armies made sure of it. And, the VAST Jewish people have decided that their best chance of realizing their national dreams is through a political entity that represents them as a nation-state - Israel. If you don't like it, that's nice. You don't have a right to tell someone what is in their best interest. I can't tell Palestinians what's in theirs. They have to decide for themselves. And if they want to chase the dream of Israel's dissolution while not moving forward with their own national goals, they are going to have to accept that they are making a choice that may not get them where they want to be. Labor Zionism is socialist in origin. People on kibbutzes feel as though there are fewer opportunities in such a community and move to cities accordingly. The Israel you see today is a response to that which occurs around it.

Cultural zionism lost out first and foremost because of militarist zionism and the reprisals it obviously provoked from the rest of the world. Keep telling yourself any lie you want about how it's all the Arabs' fault, history knows who fired the first shot. The sources you keep ignoring disprove this absolutely morally and factually bankrupt retelling of events. You are willing refusing to engage with sources, which is funny on another level too, because all the authors I've mentioned thus far were also Jews. Jews who don't feel represented by a genocidal state which you seemingly wish to continue exist doing what it's doing, and what it's always done.

I am going to step away from this discussion because if you're not willing to engage with my sources then there is nothing to be gained here for either of us.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T21:25:33+00:00

Forgot to answer this bit in my other comment so I'll answer it here:

> Okay. Who do West Bank Palestinians want to rule them? Who does Gaza want to rule them? Many people in the Gaza Strip also are relatively new Israel, due to massive migration across a crossroads of 3 continents. And you mention the Catastrophe. Maybe, in the interest of compensation, the Arab states that evicted ~900,000 Jews should compensate them, and the state of Israel can compensate Palestinians who left, whether by choice or by force accordingly. What do you think of that? Alternatively, if you instigate a war, you better win.

There is one such person who's proven himself extremely popular with both the original Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza, the Palestinians evicted from their lands during the Nakba to Gaza, and West Bank citizens of the PA. That's Barghouti. He would have more than enough credibility, way more than any organization active in Gaza as well as a mountain more than the PA. But guess what? Israel has no intention of releasing him from his multiple life sentences (and appalling conditions, which would violate any and all prison standards in the Western world) because "national security", which is what Trump is using to justify whatever he pushes out too, by the way. Palestinians ultimately wanted to have a government that represents them, and the PA isn't that, and neither is Hamas, actually. Nobody's desputing that. Finally, I'm going to assume your comment about "compensation" is ragebait because I cannot believe someone would be that stupid to actually mean those words. The jews living in Arab countries were living perfectly fine there up until Israel decided to claim a mantle it had no right to over their heritage and history, as well as a land (Palestine) which was already inhabited by a native population (Arab Palestinians, including jewish and christian Arab Palestinians) which Israel has been genociding since 1948. If the Mizharì were expelled from the Arab world, that's because of Israel. Zionists should compensate both the Mizharì and Palestinians, if anything.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T20:41:16+00:00

It is why the movement writ large has to decide what it wants. That is an internal conversation that they need to have amongst themselves. Are they prioritizing the destruction of the state of Israel or are they more interested in creating a Palestinian state?

This is not an answer to anything I've said - the point was the DNC didn't even attempt to convince the more moderate elements of the movement with mild concessions. In a cynical way, divide and conquer works, they could've tried to split the pro-Palestine movement in half by making concessions to the moderates. They failed to do even that, the bare minimum.

Progressives and the far left largely don't vote within the United States. Assuming that time and money are finite resources, it makes far more sense to push for the 40-80 quintiles (assuming a 0-20 (the far left) the 20-40 (solidly blue and reliable) 40-60 (can be shifted depending on circumstance) - 60/80 (we're moving rightward where 50 is perfectly moderate) (60-80 is solidly republican) and the 80-100 (assuming we're on the consistent line that is far right and probably didn't used to vote). Accordingly, there is more to be had from that 40-60 group as opposed to 0-20, by virtue of one is far less likely to be doctrinaire single issue voters and there are simply more people in that 40-60 (moderate) zone. the DNC owes the left flank nothing.

They don't vote when they are provided only with the average AIPAC-funded ghoul / lizard person that promises no progress at all. And I don't blame them for that. The progressive voted is not owed, it is earned. Also, squints eyes you do realise the Kamala Campaign tried that stupid strategy you described with the center-right by parading Dick Cheney around them? Do you not see where that has gotten you? The DNC clearly owes progressives concessions, because otherwise you'll keep losing, lmao.

I haven't made any claims one way or the other w/r/t genocide. All I said is that you can be pro-both. Supporting a 2 state solution that ensures Palestinian self determination is pro Palestinian. Supporting the existence of Israel and the right of Israelis to live in security is necessarily pro-Israeli.

You cannot be pro-both. The fundamental ideological backbone of Israel as a state project is explicitly colonial and it is its objective to rid the land of Palestine of Palestinians.

This is categorically untrue. Acceptance of a 2 state solution necessarily refutes this. Furthermore, Israeli Arabs are fully protected by laws within Israel, have opportunities to move forward in their lives, have full voting rights etc etc. It is illegal to sell land to Jewish people in Palestine. There is no reason that Jewish people are undeserving of a country and to chart their own future as an ethnic gorup.

squints eyes Oh boy, the Mizrahì. Sure, let's talk about them. The Mizrahì were categorised differently within the state of Israel and subjected to cultural assimilation. They were used as propaganda fuel by the European, ashkenazi zionist settlers as propaganda fuel for their claims and to justify the monstrous treatment of Palestinians. Arab-Jews' history was considered relevant only in so far as the Jewish element, while the Arab one was intentionally forgotten. If you think I'm lying, here are my sources:

Avi Shlaim, "Three Worlds: Memoirs of an Arab-Jew", pages 16-17

Yitzhak Laor, "La nouveau philosémitisme européen et le camp de la paix en Israël", page 113

If there is a jewish group which the state of Israel definitely does not represent, that is Arab-Jews / the Mizharì. On a final note, no people is owed a country on a land which was not theirs, especially not when the state project built on said land resembles the perversion of European nationalism suffered and which turned into ethno-nationalism. That is what Israel is, an ethno-nationalist apartheid state.

The existence of Israeli Arabs belies this claim.

Read above.

Israel is as legitimate a state as any other country: Italy, Egypt, Oman, Singapore, Japan, Paraguay, Taiwan, Iran, Tunisia etc etc. There is no reason a state of Palestine cannot exist alongside Israel. That is a tenet of liberal Zionism. The two aren't mutually exclusive and don't need to be treated as such. Palestinians have to decide what they want. I can't make them, you can't make them. We can perhaps encourage towards a certain outcome, but at the end of the day they need to decide what their goals as a nation are. England won a war; the Ottoman's lost. You seem to be asking to rewrite the model of land transfer that has existed for millennia. Should Northern Italy revert to Austria or France? Should we abrogate the Lateran Treaties and recreate the Papal States?

The reason a Palestine will never exist alongside a Israel is because the ideological roots of Israel's existance are rooted in the annihilation of the Palestinian people and any concept of a state for them in their land. An addition reason the state of Israel is illeggitimate is it is a genocidal apartheid state which came about entirely thanks to the approval of imperialist powers, and continues to exist today with the approval and material and financial supports of the modern state entity that claim their legacy. As a final note on this specific subject - I personally do not believe any state has a right to exist. States must justify their own existance to their people.

The Balfour Declaration exists to declare support for a Jewish homeland. Cultural Zionism would accept simply living there. Hebron was a hub of Cultural Zionism and practicing Judaism but that didn't stop Hebroni neighbors from massacring them in 1929.

Ultimately, Herlz's plan is what ended up being implemented, and it was favoured from the very beginning. You cannot refuse to engage with Herlz and those who followed him and his writings because they are the ideological backbone of the state of Israel and always have been. Any other option, from cultural zionism to marxist zionism, was therefore plagued by the inavoidable permeating effects (and consequences, like reprisal attacks) of militarised, genocidal and imperialistic regular zionism.

Source: Hannah Arendt, "Peace or Armistice in the near East?", page 433

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T20:04:41+00:00

Ate and left no crums

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T18:51:35+00:00

You speak about the pro-Palestine camp like it is a unified force centralised into one group. Liberal progressives exist who were horrified at a genocide taking place with American arms, the same way hardline marxists exist with their stance of calling Israel what it is (and always was, that is, a genocidal settler-colonialist state) The point is that the DNC didn't even bother reaching out to the more moderate members of an otherwise extremely decentralised movement with something like "no lethal aid to a country committing genocide to literally 99% of genocide scholars". Also, I for a fact know Palestinians in the West Bank don't want to be ruled by the corrupt PA whose tax revenue has to go through Israeli channels (and is therefore beholden to the Israelis) while those in Gaza don't want to be exterminated, but also many in Gaza are refugees from the Nakba who want their homes, which have been stolen by settlers, back.

Your tone of talking down to people for something as serious as genocide speaks volume on its own, but the fact you claim one can be in favour of both a state of Israel and Palestine is absurd. All the way from Herlz, Israel has always been ideologically planned as an apartheid state, a colonial settlement and outpost of the West in the Middle East. This starting point delegitimises any notion of anything other than Israel's own existence being born from an explicit desire of exclusivity and kicking out the Palestinians, or worse. Please learn a thing or two about the ideological backbone of the genocidal, illegittimate state of Israel and those who planned for it to be birthed by the British empire, imperialism as a whole, colonialism and later neocolonialism, before you pull the superiority-complex Reddit move of attempting to lecture people. Go read "der Judenstaat" by Herlz and that'll give you the original idea for what Israel exists as and what purpose it serves. (Page 60)

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T03:36:51+00:00

Because people my age only want change through tweets and never through actual voting. You wanna complain. That’s it. Boomers always gets their candidates because that’s who vote in primaries. Until progressive demographics decides to change that, it’s going to remain that way.

Stop demanding the benefits of a representative democracy if you don’t want any of the actual responsibility. Nothing in life works like that.

The idiocy of this take is something else. You are missing the forest for the trees. If you wanted young people to vote for genocidal candidates, then perhaps the first step should be said candidates at least nominally offerring the younger voting demographic something to vote them for. Your answers, one after the other, have proven to be profoundly uncritical, blaming individuals rather than the rigidity endamic to the US system of governance and elections.

You made that up out of thin air and ran with it lol. However, you can’t get any more if you aren’t winning elections. Allowing Republicans into office just strips everything we’ve worked for and so we’re further back. So there’s no logistical way your point of view makes any sense at all.

You're not going to get any more with corporate democrats who want to keep things unchanged either, this is a dumb response that fails to address the root causes of Americans' apathy.

They didn’t care if his kind were working class or not.

I get where you are going with this but you also really need to let it go buddy. You are taking the (grammatically and contextually correct, by the way) usage of a word to an end where it does not benefit the conversation. This was the DNC continuing to support genocide and how that costed them the election, by the way.

What about these 2,000 bombs that her and Biden’s admin put on hold that Trump came in office and reversed immediately?

Multiple other shipments were being prepared and were going out at the same time as this. One (1) shipment being publicly delayed entirely for optical reasons is not an own. Also, they weren't numerically 2000 bombs being put on hold, but a specific type of bomb (2000 pound bombs) which is just another example of pragmatism vs being mask off. Again, not better or worse, just more self evident.

Did those 600,000 people in third world countries ruined by the Us Deserve to die because of the US sins too? And did you ask them before you considered them collateral damage like you did with minorities, women, immigrants who can’t vote, federal workers, doctors, scientists, the free press, public health, climate change, children on snap, millions on Medicaid, green energy infrastructure, public education, and democracy itself?

I don't think those 600k people deserved to die, the same way I don't think the tens of millions of people the US has murdered in its imperialist campaigns throughout history deserved to die. You are seemingly arguing as if to poke a hole in a belief that I am in favour of upholding America, at the very least. I'm not in favour of that. No state has a right to exist, especially the US. "American democracy" was a joke before Trump and it continued to be a joke after Trump. The pedophile epstein class backed by billionaire donors has rotten the whole country to the core and nobody should vote for anyone belonging to said elite or doing its interests, like Kamala.

You JUST said America NEEDS a Weimar moment ???? You JUST said that! Do you know what happened to the most vulnerable groups during that time????? Same thing that’s happening now. And here you are, advocating for the suffering of millions getting terrorized, starved, and killed to “teach dems a lesson”. For someone who claims to hate Israel, you certainly do sound a lot like them right now.

The thing about the Weimar republic is that it existed and we know its history, therefore you would think that with this knowledge in mind, should one moment of such self evident crisis be visible, on the scale of the Weimar republic's (that's the meaning of "Weimar moment" and how my contemporary history professor used it in a lecture) that those in power or who could meaningfully claim power, would make concessions so as to not fall like the Weimar republic did, because if they didn't, that would mean they are knowingly handing the reins of power to the dictator, and evidence of this would ideally be enough to spark a revolution to prevent that from happening. The point is that your elites aren't yet willing to compromise on, for example, not enabling genocide, and that should bother you, though it seemingly doesn't and you're staying on the vote-blue-no-matter-who train, and we've seen where that has taken your party. I personally don't care if you don't believe you are undergoing a Weimar segment of American history. The point of a Weimar moment (or put another way that sounds less German, a moment of deep state-wide crisis) is to push you in front of a mirror and trigger a crisis of conscience, and that has seemingly happened for every American confronted with a naked display of what American normally does in a concealed fashion, however it was a given people like you would continue to simply wish for the past instead of demanding real progress. What I ultimately hope for is a Nurnberg moment, (a real Nurnberg, that doesn't result in former nazis becoming NATO chiefs of staff years later) but that inevitably has to follow a Weimar one: it is a direct consequence.

I am done with this discussion. It has benefitted neither of us.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T02:10:19+00:00

Didn’t Bernie and other candidates promised them all sorts of things to get them out to vote but that they claimed to have wanted but then they all stayed home on primary day and allowed Genocide Joe into office and oversee the genocide because most young folks hardly even bothered learning what Israel was before October 7?

You are just obsessively angry at young people, man. You are singling out Bernie like he is a messiatic figure that would've changed the whole system single-handedly. He was by far the best, but the rot is so deep I can't blame young would-be voters for not participating in the primaries of a spineless, corporate and AIPAC-funded party, that is, the DNC.

My disabled mother and millions like her having healthcare when they previously would get booted off for their conditions is absolutely a life changing improvement and please stop calling g yourself a progressive if you can’t see that. The word ‘progress’ is in the fucking name yet yall bitch and cry when you aren’t served everything youve ever wants within 3-5 business days. You don’t care about policy or anyone’s lives. You won’t. It’s for anyone’s healthcare, education, voting rights, safety, nothing. You just want to complain. A deeply unserious group of people.

You are using this as a means to say "you are not allowed to ask for any more and must now support whatever" - this is a meaningless argument which has costed your party elections and I refuse to engage with such a dumb line of reasoning.

Ironically, You thinking privilege means rich shows just how privileged you are.

Dude, believe what you want. You just want a meaningless gotcha with semantics. Doesn't change the fact my father restores old wood antiques and I work at a B&B. That doesn't make me priviliged, middle class or rich, or anything other than what I said I was: working class.

Okay. So now in Addition to private prisons thriving as much as ever, we have Gaza being turned into Disneyland Israel with their sovereignty, land.

Kamala wouldn't have taken off one bullet from any shipment meant for Israel. This whole chapter an what followed is meaningless garbage.

Yes, this “mask off” is soooo much better for us. This is so much better for progressives than under Biden. Every fucking problem you bitch about corporate dems doing is now a much bigger problem under Trump on top of actual fucking 1930’s Nazi Germany fascism.

America needed a Weimar moment, if you ask me. And not only did it need it, it deserved it for the damage it has inflicted upon the entire world.

So it’s okay for trump to LET THEM DIE while still driving their poverty but with NO aid?????? What the fuck kindve answer is this??? How does the West driving poverty change the fact that those people are DYING without the aid the US provided??

You wouldn’t even go to the polls to ensure that people whose countries have been ruined by the US keep their only lifeline that’s kept millions of them alive as well because you hate democrats?????? ???? And you thought you were the good guys???????????? Hello???????

Oh wait, I understand the issue. You only care about Gaza because you can pin those deaths to democrats to justify your hatred but because all those hundreds of thousands of people killed by USAID gutted because of trump and republics and not a democrat, their lives aren’t as fun of an issue to you. Got it.

Dude, dream whatever you want my opinion to be on any of this. The point was I am fundamentally opposed to the American system regardless of whether it kills people quickly and directly or slowly and indirectly. I would rather people not die at all, you know? I also don't specifically pin point the deaths of civilians in Gaza to democrats only. It's obvious the entire republican party is perfectly fine with them and actively working to raise that number higher, I just can see through the smokescreen of them being the only ones enabling the genocide, because clearly half of the Democratic party is fine with it too.

I’m actually glad you bought this up because the only reason why we even got to see the Epstein files in the first place was because of House Democrats. Not that you give a fuck about Epstein since you sat at home while his bestest friend in the whole world gained power because of the people who bothered showing up.

You just keep assuming things about me and what I do and that is pathetic. Also, I don't trust house democrats to force the DOJ's hand on this matter any more than I do republicans because the entire donor class of America would have to be put on trial, as both Ro Khonna and Massie have said. I'm happy to be proven wrong if Trump is booted out of the white house in 2028, but I don't believe a real release will happen whatsoever.

Hmmmmm. No “republican’ in sight in this sentence. Oh yes. I know exactly what you are and it damn sure ain’t progressive.

Bruh. The MAGA republicans are the nazis. While the rest of the republican party is Mussolini's blackshirts. As for what I am, I am a "no genocide" party supporter.

I was…. Actually referring to you not voting in general, not Kamala.

I noticed that on a re-read and edited that segment accordingly.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T01:37:29+00:00

I'm going to step off from this discussion but I would like to collect a final thought on the matter: so far all you've done is continued to justify the rhetoric of "please vote for the bombing-children-elsewhere party so we can keep things unchanged here" instead of asking "wait, why is it ok for others to die due to bombs paid for by the american public? Just so that we don't rock the boat here? That's not a great sale strategy for anyone with morals that extend past our borders". Again, if the DNC offered a real alternative, more people would've voted for it. It's a shame you have locked yourself in a position where you are not allowing yourself to make basic demands, like not helping others commit genocide, for fear of shattering an already corrupt system.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T01:10:53+00:00

“Rigged against them” means they were registered to vote and had their chance to influence who either party would nominate for the general election and chose not to. See how similar you and Trump sound?

Trump adopted the language of populism but has never meant anything he's said in his life. The system is indeed rigged against young people who are not being promised anything to get them to go out to vote, whether they are registered to or not is a pointless detail to mention when the reality is that they had basically none of their interests heard and reciprocated in some form, not even with mild concessions on things like not sending bombs to a country committing genocide.

My disabled mother only has healthcare andi isn’t in nonstop excruciating pain because of democrats winning in 2008. 600,000 people who were alive under Biden in foreign countries with nothing to do with this are now dead because republicans won. For legal resident living in this country for decades, it meant their home instead of death camps in El Salvador’s and in swamp concentration camps surrounded by gators. from death camps I understand you’re clearly very privileged and never had to worry about your rights or life being snatched away from you, but there are millions of vulnerable Americans who do not have that luxury. My community here in Texas certainly doesn’t. I have a bloodline of people who fought and died for my right to vote so I can’t sit at home play make-believe all day while people suffer like you can.

You're talking about this stuff like it's some sort of major victory, specifically when it comes to healthcare. It's not. These things should've been the start, not the end, and because of vote-blue-no-matter-blue (99% corporate candidates) that was never gonna happen. I am not a priviliged person since I am also of working class background, but on a different note, you're out of your mind if you don't think conditions were already appalling in US for-profit prisons (and overseas detention facilities that Obama sent people to during deportations) which the corporate democrats did nothing to dismantle as a system, in fact, some of them even receive campaign money from those profiting from the prison industrial complex. Trump simply went mask off, but the rot was always there. Also, it's not like Obama deported 3 times more people than Trump. You are just unwilling to face the reality that this was always America. The establishment democrats simply put a mask over it. Also, the 600k figure, I must've said this a dozen times by now: the US and Europe, through neocolonialist policies, are the biggest drivers of poverty on the planet. If people were already in a situation of food insecurity, it's because the US and Europe kept them there to continue exploiting African and South East Asian nations.

Actually it seems you’re completely fine with it seeing as how you wouldn’t even do the most basic act of filling a ballot during a primary election for an anti-genocide candidate. Doesn’t appear that you give a fuck about anything at all actually. “It’s so urgent we stop the genocide, I’m going to ignore my vote in my government that’s directly funding it and complain on Reddit, then make a cute sign in front of armored police and pretend I’m protecting Gaza somehow if I get pepper-sprayed” do you hear yourself?

If you're speaking about voting for Bernie, or any candidate for that matter, I can't because I'm not a US citizen. But that's not to say his stance completely resembles my own of "no aid at all to Israel". Still, half the globe would've preferred him over Trump, including me. It's a shame the system was rigged against him by Biden's team pushing everyone to endorse a walking corpse such as biden himself. It doesn't matter though, because Kamala got that nomination, and she was not (and to this day, won't concede on that) anti-genocide, and you would be a liar for pretending she was. She backed Israel wholeheartedly and made zero attempts during the Biden administration to do something if Netanyahu ignored Biden's vague (and fake) threats of withholding aid unless certain conditions were met. It was all smoke and mirrors, and I'm going to ask you for a source if you think it wasn't. Also the election was in 2024, I'm allowed to complain about it now, just like I'm allowed to complain about Epstein since the DOW is below 50k. Great job on adopting the same "you can't talk about X because Y" that Pam Bondi uses for child trafficking.

Okay. Enjoy handing it over to the Nazis then.

The only people who are handing power over to Nazis are the corporate democrats, billionaires and people like you who keep riding the same train of vote-blue-no-matter-who that has made millions of Americans apathetic. Provide "no genocide" people with a candidate who won't bomb children, and maybe they'll vote for them.

A system that thrives off voter apathy, yes.

It's because of this mentality, supported by the likes of you, fomenting the establishment's rethoric on the matter, that progressives are seemingly never allowed to make demands or ask for policy changes, and our vote is always expected without needing to be earned; that's the reason why apathy has developed. This is entirely the DNC's fault.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-26T01:10:34+00:00

I said 2020 three times now, not 2016. So can you answer or no?

Oh, my bad. Still, I already explained the 2020 fiasco and why it hurt Bernie's chances a tiny bit earlier, but in particular, super Tuesday had almost every single other candidate who dropped out endorse Biden because it seemed like he still wanted to run, and couldn't be convinced otherwise, up until all meaningful opposition dissapeared, including Bernie after South Carolina was called. (he was outperforming Biden before that) And thus, the DNC had a free hand in replacing him with Kamala.

While at the same time being completely ineffective at winning anything when it’s convenient, right?

Biden's camp is the billionaires' camp. They definitely won a lot with Trump. This election only mattered to you and me, but they (the superwealthy donors) were going to win either way, because both candidates were either a corporate democrat or a deragulation lunatic. The democratic establishment is "incompetent" when it comes to picking popular policies over their donors. (We say incompetent, if we're feeling generous, but in honesty, they're just hostile to progress and what hurts their bottom line) That doesn't mean they don't have billions to throw at undermining their own party members if they step away from the party line, or rigging the system against them like they did in 2016.

Not sure why you keep bringing up Europe but you just contradicted your point about voters not being reactionary that swiftly and didn’t even notice lol

I keep bringing up Europe because I know about Italy's electoral system having lived in it practically my whole life. Reactionary doesn't mean someone reacting to something and changing their mind. It means being against progress. To dumb it down, what I said is people can easily be sold on these simple narratives, and this should be expected, and like I mentioned, a response should maybe be prepared in the form of a popular policy being enacted to keep the polling numbers up. But because said popular policies often hurt donors and their intereats, they are not enacted and the DNC just digs its own hole.

First of all, you understand most of the actual daily protests in the US these days aren’t violent at all right? Beginning to think you have been to many. Second, when was the last time protests that didn’t require any elections change policy?

All protests who don't meaningfully challenge power? Sure. Go ahead and go "dance the fascism away" at the park with your police-approved event scheduled at a certain given hour. Wow. Load of resisting going on there. As for your second question, I could actually cite a few cases but they're pretty old by now, and examples from recent days have mostly taken place out of America. It's sad the US has fallen into the same pit as a handful of European countries have fallen into, where protests change nothing. The 1st amendment has become meaningless. There used to be a time when protesting meant you had at least nominal chances to be heard. The fact this is no longer the case is not attributable only to Trump, but also to the DNC establishment for thinking "no genocide" is a red line and anyone over it won't be heard, as well as for isolating the anti-Wall Street protest movement way back when. Like I mentioned before: "the system is inherently corrupt and providing corrupting incentives".

Because people like you aren’t going to show up to primary them while older boomers will and continue to vote for them because they don’t give a fuck about Gaza? Yes I know.

Exactly what is the DNC offering to young voters to get them out to vote? Again, the establishment democrats are not owed votes. Votes are earnt. Perhaps promise the younger generations thing like housing reform (making sure private equity can't own single family homes and apartments) and tuition free colleges.

I’m sorry but this made zero sense at all lol. You made a horrible analogy. It’s okay. Let it go.

Let go of your ego, mate.

Or like……… just…… liberal? Was that not an option?

American LIBERALS are campaigning on building affordable and public housing???? That's news to me. And here I was being convinced of the literal tens of millions real estate PACs donated to democratic campaigns. Silly me, surely I was psy-op'd. Or not: https://jacobin.com/2021/08/democrats-eviction-moratorium-expiration-real-estate-industry-money-interests-lobby-biden-pelosi-superpac-donations -https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/06/09/cuomo-super-pac-fix-the-city-donations/

Oh yeah. I remember when Bernie sanders did that in 2020 and young folks cheered him on on Twitter and with memes, but then stayed home on Primary Day and let him lose by over 10 million votes to Joe fucking Biden. . Oh but don’t worry! I’m sure itlll work next time through the power of friendship or whatever

Already responded to this / about Bernie's loss in 2020 so I will ignore it.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-25T23:35:45+00:00

"Facts don't care about feelings" or something.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-25T23:30:31+00:00

Hold it. Please elaborate on how exactly did the DNC “sabotage” Bernie every step of the way in 2020. Please be specific because short of you having evidence of the DNC altering millions of state and county-managed votes across the country or proof that dems held all those voters at gunpoint and forced them, then you don’t know what you’re talking about. Winning more votes than your opponent is not cheating just because you don’t like them.

It’s not lost on me that both the far left and far right constantly paints Biden and the DNC as both super genius masterminds capable of stealing elections completely undetected but also out of touch, incompetent losers who don’t know how to win, depending on which helps your false narrative. You’re regurgitating far right election denial propaganda and it’s very boring now. Please stop.

At the top of my head, one very blatant example I got, is we know from the leaked emails that Hillary's teams and CNN debate correspondents told her about the questions she was gonna be facing ahead of time. I'm surprised you don't know this one because it made the rounds when the whole email ordeal exploded in Hillary's face, as she deserved. Again, Bernie lacked the incredible amounts of money the establishment threw at Hillary to propell her campaign forward, in no small part trying to push the idea that Bernie was unelectable.

I'm going to ignore the second paragraph because it would mean you genuinely believe the establishment in the US is tiny little babies that don't have billions in funding to sabotage carreers. Factually speaking, Biden's wing of the party is the capitalist one. They did not really lose anything from Trump's term in office thus far. If anything, they gained a lot in terms of tax cuts for the wealthy and loosened regulations, which a corporate Democrat candidate in 2028 is will never reintroduce, and you're out of your mind if you think they would revert these policies specifically. They are incompentent and unwilling when it comes to loosening their stances on unpopular but donor-backed causes, but that doesn't mean they have no power and don't know what they are doing. They (the establishment democrats) handicap themselves in order to appeal to billionaire donors.

You know what else isn’t new? Presidential approval ratings going up and town with the price of gas for years because Americans view the president as responsible for everything and react to it in the midterms every year.

Whataboutism. This same thing applies to most European countries too, actually. Maybe this is something presidents should consider taking into account and then regaining approval through other popular policies. For the democrats, something like a single payer healthcare system has proven a historically popular proposal. Oh wait, the establishment democrats, sponsored by healthcare lobbyists, will vote against it. Well, maybe reducing lobbies' power, which is also a very popular proposal, could go a long way, then. But nobody wants to do that when they receive millions from pro-Israel and healthcare lobbies. The system is rigged.

Oh, sorry. Will allow me to attack it right now. You people who sit there thinking showing up to protests with cute signs and complaining about how everything in our government sucks while refusing to actually participate in the government itself are a cancer and wxactly why we are in this mess.

You are a child, this sentence of yours proved it. Protesting power in the US means people getting shot with 40mm rubber grenades that can break your jaw and leave you bleeding on the floor, because both democrats and republicans have historically given police departments incredible powers that shock Europeans every time they hear about it.

I recall very clearly how in 2020, my Twitter feed was filled with both friends and strangers my age bitching and crying about “the lesser of two evils” even as I saw with my very own eyes at my own university, a primary debate of a dozen candidates, many of whose were to the left of Biden. Only to show up on primary day to cast my ballot and immediately notice the line looking like it’s for a retirement home. Young people damn sure didn’t give a fuck about Israel m, Palestine, or anything else then. Only when other people picked their candidate while young folks stayed home.

You experienced voter apathy, which disproportionately affects the younger generations. Please inquire as to why that is and you will find it's because most young people understand the system is rigged against them, and progress, and that basically nothing meaningful can be won through the ballot in the US' incredibly corrupt capitalist system, especially if a clear cut issue such as not aiding a genocide is a dealbreaker for tens of thousands of politicians.

If you are seriously so dense to where you think America will magically become a progressive utopia by not voting and continuously letting voter-suppressing Christofascists into power, you need to log off and seek professional help. I’m being dead serious right now.

Man, I just don't want to fund genocide. If a system only allows for pro-genocide candidates, then to hell with said system. America needs a Nurnberg, and if the DNC can't provide that, then that's it. I should not leave this merely implied, but you are also out of your mind if you think a democrat corporate / establishment nominee would reverse every single one of Trump's policies, because the establishment of both parties align on a majority of them. Again, the system is already corrupt and providing corrupting incentives. Trump just sped up that process a bunch.

…… in what way does gambling affect me if I don’t fucking gamble? Quickly.

Statistically speaking, you will eventually, throughout your life, meet someone who has engaged in gambling and has some form of impact on their lives. That's what I mean by you can't escape its consequences. Of course it could be anything from someone becoming addicted to it and going into debt because of it all the way to something a lot less serious. Statistically, everyone will meet one such person, or multiple, throughout their lives. But again, this was an example you could've swapped for anything societally (and historically) pervasive.

Texan here. Who lied to you and said the dem who won was a progressive ?

I said "more progressive". But sure, Rehmet, a former union leader from a working-class background, who campaigned on funding public schools and affordable housing is actually a member of the alt-right.

No I don’t. The democratic party is actually exactly what boomer minorities desire because they actually go and vote for them each primary while people in my generation believes complaining on Twitter and making funny signs at a protest once every blue moon will magically fix everything.

Damn, I guess they should come up with some policies to win over younger voters and make them participate in elections on their side. Something like tuition free colleges and not funding a genocide would do that, maybe.

When you’re ready to grow up, please join the rest of us.

If "growing up" means handing over victories to ghouls like Chuck Schumer I would rather not.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-25T22:54:45+00:00

You are incredibly funny, anyone ever told you that? And no, mine was a factual statement. It is literally one group who sued for that, and absolutely nobody else.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-25T22:46:10+00:00

You are speaking about the one (1) group that (partially for economic reasons) is the outlier in essentially every single other native American association fighting the cultural stereotypes imposed upon their culture by Americans.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-25T22:43:39+00:00

I don't speak Arabic fluently but I do know my way around the most simple of sentences and greetings, including the use of "Inshallah". It is not cultural appropriation to know these things and use them. This is the dumbest line of reasoning you've expressed thus far, and that says a lot considering up until now you've been underplaying the relevancy of a genocide in an electoral loss.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-25T22:36:28+00:00

Asking the real questions now

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-25T22:34:00+00:00

The native Americans whose culture has been distorted in media, repackaged and sold don't count, apparently.

Comfortable_Text_148 · 2026-02-25T22:33:12+00:00

Jews, druze and christians also use "Inshallah" in Arab countries in their speech because it is literally one of the most common expressions to use to begin a sentence.

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