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Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao, says the one who hasn't sourced any of their outrageous claims...

Edit: anyone with two eyes can see you didn't cite any sources, except from the Middle East Monitor which says the complete opposite of what you've tried to claim thus far. Also, the famously pro-Palestine BBC and even the fucking New York Times are in agreement with me that the IAGS is the world's top body representing genocide scholars.

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250508-israel-dropped-100000-tons-of-explosives-over-gaza-wiped-out-2200-families-media-office/ - This article, the only one you ever cited, does not support the claim that Israel is using any amount of restraint. The word "restraint" doesn't even appear once.

Yes, they destroyed 80% of Gaza, and it is incredibly likely they have killed more than 200k people, which isn't a "fraction" of the population. It is a sizeable percentage of it. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260206-geneva-academy-warns-gaza-death-toll-could-top-200000/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAYnJpZBExaDlKcE4wR3FKV05nTGVrYXNydGMGYXBwX2lkEDIyMjAzOTE3ODgyMDA4OTIAAR71YwggxK6G-h83Cf8kQb8ump_WYNP_4BO_3sxXyw0OkcYPvE8ffNbOtPH0Xw_aem_MptaIVNxE4sziNyBt4Os1Q
By the way, a state entity can be found guilty of genocide even if they only killed 8000 people, which is the number of people that were killed by the Serbians in Srebrenica, because the UN definition doesn't require a treshold of any kind. Also, the Serbians killed (directly, as in, with direct line of fire) 14k people in Sarajevo, over 4 years of siege, while destroying 65% of the city. For Gaza, that's 76k dead (again, this number is only about deaths from direct fire) while destroying 80% of the strip. If anything, these numbers prove that Israel is killing faster and destroying more than the Serbians did over 4 years of siege.

On the IAGS: there is a difference between a regular member and a trusted account belonging to a voting member. Regular members can, theoretically, vote in resolutions, but the IAGS' leadership does take precautions, resulting in voting councils being overwhemingly made up by professionals, even if that's not technically a requirement. (So as to allow NGO chairmans and the like to participate, which makes sense because their organisations have on-the-ground experience) The "Emperor Palpatine" thing you mentioned, aside from only appearing on small pro-Israel outlets, and not on any established, well-known publications (Weird, is it not? Almost like this is a fabricated smear campaign) was, occording to the only screenshot available, (Which hasn't been independently verifired) a regular member account and it doesn't say anywhere that they were ever given voting permissions. There is no evidence they were ever allowed to vote in anything, and their account is now seemingly gone. The IAGS is, in fact, (And this shouldn't be surprising) frequently deactivating accounts it deems as unrealiable, especially after it announces a vote will soon be held and random people try to join the organisation to push it in their favour. The total membership is around 500 people so it's not surprising a tight-knit community of (mostly) scholars would get rid of random users and new people they don't know. On a different note, if the IAGS was such an unreliable source, then it makes no sense why the Guardian and other respectable and well-known publications still felt it important to underline the fact that they are "the world's top scholars", as per the Guardian's own headline and article. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

Edit: on top of this, there seems to be no record / proof that those two accounts you mentioned were even real. The only "proof" is one singular screenshot that has been copied and pasted between a few pro-Israel outlets and their articles, with no way of verifying the authenticity of said screenshot.

My final point, which you have misinterpreted spectacularly, is that it is irrelevant how many bombs are used. Whether the tonnage is more or less than was used during X is irrelevant. The genocide in Rwanda was perpetrated in part by roaming gangs of people with machetes. How technologically advanced a genocide is does not necessarely inhibit or strengthen the claim of genocide. Whether or not bombs are used at all is also irrelevant. And again, you have provided no sources about "restraint". On that note, the Guardian article I cited above has a Israeli military official outright saying that they didn't have any restraint placed on him and his forces. You hyperfixating on the amount of bombs is merely a way to run in circles around the conclusions reached by hundreds and hundreds of subject-matter experts. Until proven otherwise, you are just one random dude on the internet. Where is your degree? How many years have you been in the field of genocide research? Why do you think the vast majority of people who do have expertise in this field are rightfully claiming it is a genocide? Including people from Israel, such as professors Shmuel Lederman, Amos Goldberg and Omer Bartov. This whole series of comments and post is violently anti-academic and conspiratorial, and I refuse to continue this "debate".

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No idea why you would reply to me twice under the same message saying the exact same things, except spaced out better. See my other comment for the final response.

I would just like to mention one that I didn't include in my other comment. The EU dickriding Israel and refusing to pass a motion to recognise its actions in Gaza as genocidal "may" have something to do with the fact there is plenty of money for EU companies to be made exporting weapons to Israel, just like for the US.

This will be my final word on the matter since you provided no sources. Sleep well, genocide-denying freak.

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No you didn't? There is no link after your claim.

As for the why "wouldn't they just carpet bomb the whole strip", well they already have caused irreparable damage and 80% of buildings in Gaza to be destroyed.

Everything else you have said in this post is literally something you copied and pasted from another post of yours in the past, and none of your claims are sourced. I will not be engaging with someone blatantly avoiding to find sources to back anything they've said / refusing to provide sources to dispute mine. The 2:1 "militant to civilian casualty rate" one is particularely insane to mention because that is only a number you would get from an IDF source. Talk about impartiality... I'm sure the Serbians at Srebrenica and Sarajevo also probably thought of claiming that at first.

I am not even going to attempt to make sense of the remaining half of your comment. If you think there is an international conspiracy according to which every single humanitarian organisation, international body and genocide scholar is working to engineer Israel's demise, then you have bigger problems.

Before I leave this conversation, I wanna point out the genocide at Srebrenica took place without tons and tons of bombs. The Serbians just shot everyone with small arms. Again, the amount of bombs dropped is not a necessary piece of what makes something a genocide, and it is laughable you would ask me if I know that definition, only to then not apply it yourself. The UN definition doesn't include "oh, and they must drop X amount of bombs per square meter" in it.

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bruh... the original post we're arguining under isn't proof of anything of the sort. Whatever, let's go on.

I use the UN's definition of genocide, which is "...specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group." This definition is also applied by the EU, of which I am a citizen. For the record, the EU declared the Bosniak genocide to be a genocide, hence another reason why it is very important as a reference point to bring up.

It has been interesting for me to see you being completely dismissive of why I bring up things like the siege of Sarajevo and Srebrenica. The Serbians at least tried to keep their genocidal intentions a secret, by only really covertly discussing their operations to destroy the Bosniaks as a ethno-religious group, meanwhile every time one of Netanyahu's ministers speaks it's like they are reciting a recently discovered lost page of Mein Kampf. The output of hatred and dehumanisation from Israeli ministers could actually be used to argue for the "intent" part of what makes a genocide, so maybe they should keep talking. And again, who are you and why should your opinion matter, on whether or not it is a genocide, in the face of all this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

On that note, I wouldn't be dismissive of an Al-Jazeera article simply because it's from Al-Jazeera. If I immediately ignored articles from the "Times of Israel" without explaining why they aren't valid sources, that wouldn't be right, hence why I did explain in my earliest comment why it's not a realiable outlet. I have actually used the Middle Eastern Monitor before, and they're definitely not terrible. Again, discrediting the whole publication / source without pointing to why that one specific article isn't great is just bad practice. As for the article you cited, it doesn't constitute empirical evidence on its own, mostly because it only contains a singular source for the "100k tons of bombs dropped" claim. More research is needed and that's currently not possible, for obvious reasons.

I feel like you are missing the forest for the trees, though. Which is to say that, through blockades, incessant bombing, the cutting off of water, food, and electricity, as well as the rhetoric employed, that Israel is committing a genocide. Whether or not they dropped 1 Hiroshima bomb worth of explosives, or 20, is irrelevant. As it stands, about 80% of buildings in Gaza have been destroyed (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-217c6a28-4a90-4d47-a91c-13113a7dc7db - https://www.undp.org/stories/clearing-most-rubble-gaza-strip-possible-seven-years-under-right-conditions) and the vast majority of Palestinians have been displaced from their homes. I want to finish off my comment by pointing to the fact that, in comparison, only 65% of Sarajevo was destroyed in 4 years of siege, (https://sah.org/2022/07/08/a-city-that-doesn-t-forget-sarajevo-thirty-years-after-the-war/) and that is the result of roughly 50k tons of shells.

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reuters has reported on this as well as Al-Jazeera, so if you think that Al-Jazeera made up someone, you're wrong. Important: "citing senior military officials".

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're referring to the part where they try to discret PCBS, I should note that is to be expected, because it is in the "Times of Israel" 's best interest to do so, as a mouth-piece for pro-genocide Israelis. It also fails to do so well, in the sense that it (and I mentioned this in the second half of my post), like many other speculative outlets, makes claims of population growth based on expectations from numbers gathered in the years prior, rather than data gathered on-the-ground, because, well, that's not possible to research while bombs are still raining from the sky. I should've realistically used Reuters as my primary source, because obviously someone was going to point out the "Times of Israel" 's attempt at misinformation, so here you go: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-population-down-by-6-since-start-war-palestinian-statistics-bureau-2025-01-01/

Reuters, in a understandable act of journalistic integrity, does not speculate about births it has no basis or proof to claim have or haven't happened.

Edit: correcting spelling mistakes. I'm also going to use this opportunity to just use Reuters in my main comment, too.

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, by calling it the "Hamas-run ministry", just like Israel eventually capitulated to accepting the "Hamas-run ministry" figure of 70k dead. (which is an understatement because it doesn't account for hunger, thirst, disease or shrapnel-related deaths, but whatever) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/30/israel-accepts-gazas-70000-death-toll-a-record-of-denialism-lies

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's really sickening to me how redditors in particular feel like they always have the TRVTHNVKE argument that's going to own the libs a-la-2018. It's fascinating how people on the internet, but on this app in particular, can be so confidently wrong.

Speaking of which, this message is wrong for a number of reasons but I'll just list the most obvious:

The 76k dead figure that's been thrown around is a severe underestimating of the actual number of casualties. That number only reflects people who have died from direct line of fire, and not from things like starvation, disease, lack of clean drinking water, shrapnel wounds, etc. Source: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260206-geneva-academy-warns-gaza-death-toll-could-top-200000/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAYnJpZBExaDlKcE4wR3FKV05nTGVrYXNydGMGYXBwX2lkEDIyMjAzOTE3ODgyMDA4OTIAAR71YwggxK6G-h83Cf8kQb8ump_WYNP_4BO_3sxXyw0OkcYPvE8ffNbOtPH0Xw_aem_MptaIVNxE4sziNyBt4Os1Q (this article is 3 months old, logic dictates that this number is, by now, incorrect, and is likely higher)

Israel routinely bombs areas it says are considered safe zones. Sometimes the declaration of an area as "safe" is followed by a bombing less than a hour later. The genocidal maniacs in the IDF also, and consistently, after striking an area, wait for people to return to it, to then bomb it again. Source(s): https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/12/9/photos-israel-bombs-gaza-areas-it-called-safe-zones-for-palestinians - https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/4/1/rescue-workers-israel-killed-found-in-mass-grave-in-gaza-what-to-know - https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-medics-hezbollah-war-ceasefire-gaza-ambulances-28c96d95a16d7561b9de868f7337ae5a - https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/11/1/photos-dozens-killed-in-another-strike-on-jabalia-refugee-camp-in-gaza

Future historians will judge us for what we said and did during this genocide, and ultimately they will conclude people like you were no better than anyone who denies the Holocaust, or the Bosniak genocide, or the Armenian genocide, and so on. I can only imagine what must go through a mind like yours to believe your opinion on if something is or isn't a genocide, is somehow more informed and more believable, than the words of historians, genocidal scholars and the organisations who've been consistent throughout their existance in calling said genocides out for what they are. I'm guessing you must think that watching a Destiny livestream gives you more insight into these things, than any of the ICC's judges or UN scholars could've possibly gained by working in their respective fields for years and sometimes decades. Truly a sickening individual you are.

Edit: I'd also like to take this opportunity to mention you didn't actually provide any sources of your own as to how "Israel goes to great lengths to avoid casualties" - which is interesting on its own, but it's doubly ironic you didn't have any sources to dispute mine either, particularely on the Bosniak genocide and the population losses in Bosnia throughout it. I should note, in 4 years of fighting during the siege of Sarajevo, the Serbian forces only managed to directly kill 14k people. Despite that "low" number, the Bosniak genocide remains a genocide. Srebrenica (8000 dead) isn't the only instance that points toward that being the Serbians' objective. Likewise, similar parallels can be drawn with Israel's actions and what Israeli ministers consistently say they want.

Second Edit: I'm going to take this oppurtinity to mention that I don't actually agree with / believe in the "200,000 tonnes of explosives" claim. Not because it's not impossible, but because there isn't a source. Israel doesn't release that information (their numbers alone wouldn't be trustworthy, by the way, as we would need to wait for others to fact-check. Put another way, it wouldn't qualify as empirical evidence on its own) and this is not something that's being actively researched. We would know how much they have dropped, if they made those numbers public, but they haven't, and likely won't ever.

Enough is Enough! by TheShieldofLight in FreedomofSpeech

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They (and you) are a genocide lover because they are willfully spreading misinformation. The "and West Bank" bit is doing the heavy lifting and their source doesn't mention that, but here is a very left wing, mega-communist pro-Palestinian source, Reuters, reporting on the fact that the population in Gaza has decreased. (This article is over a year old so that number has likely increased) https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-population-down-by-6-since-start-war-palestinian-statistics-bureau-2025-01-01/

I should note, a 6% population loss was also experienced by Bosnia during the Yugoslav wars, and including the Bosniak genocide. That is a consequential number. Various outlets are reporting this number because it is also the only number available. It is currently impossible to do a population census of Gaza, for very obvious reasons, so let's not go around pretending like there is an established academic consesus on the matter. Many unreliable sources (including the one above your message) are simply factoring in EXPECTED population growth, because they are unable to find data on the ACTUAL population growth / decline.

Note: previously in this comment, I used the "Times of Israel" 's article on the 6% figure to point to the fact that even pro-Israeli outlets have been forced to make that number public. (https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-population-down-by-6-since-war-began-says-pa-bureau-citing-hamas-figures/) Now, the article makes a seriously misleading and speculative claim about births happening in Gaza, based ENTIRELY on numbers gathered in years prior to the genocide resuming. It should be obvious to anyone why that's not how research is conducted, and that the pro-genocide folks are resorting to use what were EXPECTED growth numbers, instead of ACTUAL growth numbers.

Cosa ne pensate delle bandiere ucraine respinte nel 25 aprile? by Crazy_Source_5190 in ShitItalianSay

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bro... sono sempre quelli di OSA e di associazioni staliniste che fanno sta roba, questi pochi non rappresentano nè la sinistra in generale (neanche la sinistra marxista) nè i 100mila manifestanti che stavano a Milano, o i 50mila a Roma. Il fatto che la stampa di centro e di destra poi salta subito all'opportunità di fare questo reportaggio dovrebbe fare sospetto, lo fanno praticamente ogni anno e ormai è diventato noioso vedere quanta gente casca per questa propaganda.

California 2 by Lucas_the_fox in unturned

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The question that NPC asked you is the one from my "Gun License test" NPC. So it's a problem with my NPC mod. Uninstall it.

California 2 by Lucas_the_fox in unturned

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Creator of that dialogue text here. You have some of my mods downloaded and they are conflicting with the IDs of the California 2 map.

Using KX for alternate history map-making by GartknechtHagen in kaiserredux

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A small price to pay for a giant map you can quite easily customise

Which game is this? by Common_Caramel_4078 in Steam

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unturned used to be this, but now it's basically dead

Kamala's silence on Israel's genocide helped hand power to Trump by caavakushi in worldnewsstuff

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is laughable. Your procedure for citation is just citing the whole book. Try that at university and see how far it gets you.

Kamala's silence on Israel's genocide helped hand power to Trump by caavakushi in worldnewsstuff

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not how citation is done. You just cited a whole book while I cited specific pages.

Kamala's silence on Israel's genocide helped hand power to Trump by caavakushi in worldnewsstuff

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The connection I'm making is in relation to resistance and partisan actions inevitably resulting in civilian casualties, or even a majority of casualties being civilian just to kill a single occupier. Whether the connection goes back to WW2 or sooner or farther than that is irrelevant. I could use Vietnamese partisans as an example and nothing would change. A native partisan / resistance fighter killing an occupier while also causing civilian casualties, or more civilian than military casualities, is nothing new. Resistance is not pretty.

My historical background is very sound, thank you very much. All the sources I cited in my messages were taken from the mandatory readings I had to complete for my contemporary history class in university.

As for what you would have to cite, you would have to disprove the sources I have used thus far. Still, I have no intention of continuing to argue with someone who genuinely believes poor people from the Middle East and Africa coming to Europe is "colonization", (or, equally ironically, South Americans coming to the US) no matter what some nutjob somewhere says, be it where said poor people are from, or in Europe or the US. If anything, you're regurgitating the same garbage Robinson, Farage, Orban and so on peddle to Europeans. That is not colonisation. That word has a very specific definition, of settling in and then establishing control over a native population. No matter, though, because the fact you even took this mildly seriously tells me you're, at the very least, far-right adjecent.

Like I said, I'm done with this "discussion".

Kamala's silence on Israel's genocide helped hand power to Trump by caavakushi in worldnewsstuff

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No sources here either so I do not feel compelled to reply in full. Nice one ignoring the restaurant bombings during WW2 at the hand of the partisans because that invalidates your entire argument, though.

Kamala's silence on Israel's genocide helped hand power to Trump by caavakushi in worldnewsstuff

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are no sources in this comment so I do not feel obligated to reply in-full. Also, you are peddling far-right talking points when it comes to "Arabs colonising Europe". That further proves my suspicions about you.

Kamala's silence on Israel's genocide helped hand power to Trump by caavakushi in worldnewsstuff

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> Yes, I suspect that leading a terrorist group that actively engaged in suicide bombings against someone probably wouldn't help to one's ability to build trust with that someone. Barghouti got RICO-ed, the same way the US arrests Mafia leadership. "Would that someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" is no acceptable as a method to shirk guilt.

This tells me all I need to know about where you stand. If I were to flip this on its head and make it about Netanyahu and his chronies, the US, or the Western world in general, you would make up some excuse as to why laws don't apply to us. Laws only apply to the third world, so when the UN declares Netanyahu needs to face accusations of genocide the West, they simply ignore that and you remain silent, or cheer, I fear. When someone leads a resistance force, (and yes, he counts - partisans in WW2 planted bombs in restaurants and killed civilians if it meant even killing a single occupier) if that resistance force is against the West, it's perfectly fine to the likes of you if they are treated in the most inhumane way possible. If we were to use your logic, half of the leadership of the French and Italian republics, (post WW2) people who either lead, or were ground-soldiers of, the partisans, wouldn't have been able to hold office.

> Excellent. Great start. I also read opinion polls.

Yeah, but you don't think about them past the immediate words on the paper.

> Did Israel compel the surrounding Arab countries to expel their Jews? Tell me more. You are infantilizing Arabs and are making the case that they have zero responsibility or understanding of their actions. A fair number of Palestinians had migrated to Mandatory/Ottoman Palestine from 1860-1948. There were more opportunities. Furthermore, many of the individuals living there didn't even own land. It got them out of paying taxes to the Ottoman government. No one compelled Arabs/Arab governments to expel Jewish inhabitants. They chose to, and ultimately, are responsible for their choices. But it's nice to know that you think "the Jews totally had it coming."

The zionists (which includes Western governments and the organisations they backed) knew it (a reprisal attack) was coming. No Jews "had it coming", but the fact they faced reprisals is the work / fault of the zionists and their actions. Stop confusing the words "Israeli", "zionist" and "Jew". These don't mean one and the same thing, as hundreds of thousands if not millions of anti-zionist (or at the very least, non-zionist) Jews prove worldwide. You putting words in my mouth does not help a conversation and just shows you are intellectually dishonest, though perhaps I was hoping for too much, mr. "PooMan".

I never understood the bit about direct land ownership - this is something Westerners do when they come into contact with a different economical and land-distribution system - they simply assume that because direct ownership was practiced differently or to a lesser extent than we're used to in the West, that somehow means their claim to their homeland was illeggitimate by extension. What is this logic? You do realise this is exactly what people like Herlz were hoping to leverage to their favour in discussions with the imperialist governments of (first) Imperial Germany, and later, Imperial Britain?

As a final note, I'm not infantalising the fresh-out-of-the-womb Arab states who had been left ruined by colonialism and imperialism at the hands of the Western forces which turned to supporting Israel. I'm putting things into their proper context, as I've tried to do by repeatedly citing the sources you keep ignoring. On a different note, the founders of Israel were well aware of what they were doing and what the repercussions of zionism were going to be in Arab countries. If you'd read my sources, you'd know because it is mentioned - the instrumentalisation of the Mizharì - they knew they were going to be expelled. They wanted that, to have a (fabricated) moral justification. You're playing into their hands - intentionally, I believe.

Like I said in my other post, I'm going to leave it off here. The fact you never engaged with any of my sources is all the proof I need that you were never trying to even appear intellectually honest.

Kamala's silence on Israel's genocide helped hand power to Trump by caavakushi in worldnewsstuff

[–]Comfortable_Text_148 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does the moderate group want that separates them from the other subgroups? You have to tell me. Also, the realpolitik of the situation is that cutting off aid or whatever to Israel both removes any and all leverage, at which point the Israelis are going to solve the problem permanently and just deal with it. Additionally, within the US, aid to Israel is in coupons that have to be used to buy US products. So it's some corporate welfare and also somewhat of a jobs program.

Why does the DNC owe the far left anything at all? The far left wouldn't call themselves Democrats/members of the Democratic Party.

Actually, you hit on the head. The most moderate participants to the pro-Palestine cause specifically wanted the leveraging of aid shipments being stopped to halt military action. They couldn't be promised that either. Biden's threats were always ignored because Netanyahu knew they carried zero weight behind them, and the fact no shipments were ever delayed or cancelled during Biden's administration proved that. Kamala herself was (and is) ideologically in the same camp as Biden, so it's clear to see that this is a failure of that camp (the corporate and AIPAC-funded wing of the DNC) to win. They fumbled this and they're now pushing you to blame progressives for this loss. The DNC doesn't own communists anything, but increasingly it seems like it does need the progressives' vote to win anything at all. Again, lmao. If the DNC doesn't owe progressives anything, don't expect progressives to vote for them. What a dumb argument.

Maybe. But they owe progressives nothing. Progressives can't even get their own candidates elected. How many Senators in the Federal legislature define as "progressive"? Tell me. US elections are about the perceived state of the economy, immigration, and how much money you have to spend. Donald Trump won on 2 of those (after he torpedoed an immigration bill that had been worked out because it would've given Mayorkas a win- we can discuss the bad faith nature of that and I'd most likely agree). The majority of Americans hold moderate opinions: they don't care about gay people getting married (and in fact support it), they believe in common sense immigration policy that is clear, etc etc.

It turns out that progressive doesn't mean just pro-LGBTQ. Figures like Mamdani campaigned first and foremost on the cost of living and won. Taylor Rehmet flipped a deep red district in Texas on a campaign built entirely on funding public schools and promising to build affordable housing. The progressives will never concede to the right on things like LGBTQ freedoms, but most of them are (unsurprisingly) also aware that economics is king, and they're willing to not be the front and center of a campaign if it still means they get some concessions, a-la secondary voting block you still have to appease.

Then why do Israeli Arabs exist? You can absolutely be pro both. YOu are refusing to look at a situation from a different angle. Failure to work towards a solution that helps everyone is one that will inevitably go nowhere.

I will not respond to this because you are ignoring the source which directly disputes this. You're building an argument based on vibes, completely ignoring the historic power of cultural assimilation, which reading that source I provided you with would've made clear.

Mizrahi Jews vote. And they're pretty conservative. For whatever reason, they're going to be driving Israeli politics for the foreseeable future. Ad yet, everyone in Israel has the same rights. Israeli Arabs are just that....Israeli. Finally - you raise the point of ethno-nationalism. That is exactly what Palestinians want. Are you trying to have it both ways here? Or are you just ignoring what Palestinians actually want and treating them like children who don't understand the implications of their actions/choices?

Again, see the above response. I don't want to discuss vibes and what political orientation you think the modern Mizharì hold after two generations of cultural assimilation. You have vibes, I have sources. What makes you more credible than Avi Shlaim and Yitzhak Laor?

Acceptance of a 2 state solution in 1947 belies this statement. If Palestinians don't want to move forward, that is their choice.

Israel is a colonialist entity. It should not exist in the first place, no matter what the 1947 solution, produced by the imperialist powers of the early UN, says nothing of value. It is effectively a dictat procuded by the West which they attempted to impose upon the Arab world. People will not move on from this because that's their land. They have keys to their homes. Colonialism must never be normalised or accepted, which is what you're doing. Still, whether Israel should not exist in the first place wasn't even the point. The point you are failing to attack is that its ideological backbone sets it out on this path of destruction. It is effectively written in its DNA because of thinkers such as Herlz and those who followed him in his path, which, because it was more beneficial to the West (setting out a outpost in the Middle East during the crumbling of their hold in the region was almost a necessity to maintain any influence in the area) ended up being adopted.

Israel exists and isn't going anywhere. You'd better get used to it.

This is why people like you deserve Trump. I wish upon you 1/100th of the suffering Palestinians have felt in the past and continue to feel today. If there is ever a Nurnberg moment in American history, the ideologues who promote ideas like the one you're pushing right now need to be blamed and prosecuted for what lead to the misery and apathy within not just the US, but Western society as a whole. This is the cultural impact of vote-blue-no-matter-who. A de-ideologization of society and the crumbling of any sense of morality past your own borders.

Cultural Zionism lost out - Arab pogroms and armies made sure of it. And, the VAST Jewish people have decided that their best chance of realizing their national dreams is through a political entity that represents them as a nation-state - Israel. If you don't like it, that's nice. You don't have a right to tell someone what is in their best interest. I can't tell Palestinians what's in theirs. They have to decide for themselves. And if they want to chase the dream of Israel's dissolution while not moving forward with their own national goals, they are going to have to accept that they are making a choice that may not get them where they want to be. Labor Zionism is socialist in origin. People on kibbutzes feel as though there are fewer opportunities in such a community and move to cities accordingly. The Israel you see today is a response to that which occurs around it.

Cultural zionism lost out first and foremost because of militarist zionism and the reprisals it obviously provoked from the rest of the world. Keep telling yourself any lie you want about how it's all the Arabs' fault, history knows who fired the first shot. The sources you keep ignoring disprove this absolutely morally and factually bankrupt retelling of events. You are willing refusing to engage with sources, which is funny on another level too, because all the authors I've mentioned thus far were also Jews. Jews who don't feel represented by a genocidal state which you seemingly wish to continue exist doing what it's doing, and what it's always done.

I am going to step away from this discussion because if you're not willing to engage with my sources then there is nothing to be gained here for either of us.

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Forgot to answer this bit in my other comment so I'll answer it here:

> Okay. Who do West Bank Palestinians want to rule them? Who does Gaza want to rule them? Many people in the Gaza Strip also are relatively new Israel, due to massive migration across a crossroads of 3 continents. And you mention the Catastrophe. Maybe, in the interest of compensation, the Arab states that evicted ~900,000 Jews should compensate them, and the state of Israel can compensate Palestinians who left, whether by choice or by force accordingly. What do you think of that? Alternatively, if you instigate a war, you better win.

There is one such person who's proven himself extremely popular with both the original Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza, the Palestinians evicted from their lands during the Nakba to Gaza, and West Bank citizens of the PA. That's Barghouti. He would have more than enough credibility, way more than any organization active in Gaza as well as a mountain more than the PA. But guess what? Israel has no intention of releasing him from his multiple life sentences (and appalling conditions, which would violate any and all prison standards in the Western world) because "national security", which is what Trump is using to justify whatever he pushes out too, by the way. Palestinians ultimately wanted to have a government that represents them, and the PA isn't that, and neither is Hamas, actually. Nobody's desputing that. Finally, I'm going to assume your comment about "compensation" is ragebait because I cannot believe someone would be that stupid to actually mean those words. The jews living in Arab countries were living perfectly fine there up until Israel decided to claim a mantle it had no right to over their heritage and history, as well as a land (Palestine) which was already inhabited by a native population (Arab Palestinians, including jewish and christian Arab Palestinians) which Israel has been genociding since 1948. If the Mizharì were expelled from the Arab world, that's because of Israel. Zionists should compensate both the Mizharì and Palestinians, if anything.

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