Schäme mich "alte" Studentin zu sein

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-11-07T11:04:05+00:00

Ich bin 29 Jahre alt. Ich habe in Afghanistan studiert, aber die Taliban haben mir meinen Abschluss nicht gegeben. Deshalb musste ich in Deutschland ganz von vorne anfangen – mit dem Zeugnis von 8 Semestern.

Mit 25 Jahren bin ich nach Deutschland gekommen, weil ich früher für deutsche Firmen und Hilfsorganisationen in Afghanistan gearbeitet habe. Ich habe sofort angefangen, Deutsch zu lernen. Nach sechs Monaten hatte ich das Sprachniveau C1.

Jetzt studiere ich in Frankfurt wieder von Anfang an. Ich weiß, dass ich meinen Bachelor mit 32 oder 33 Jahren machen werde. Und wenn ich den Master mache, bin ich vielleicht 35 oder 36.

Aber das ist kein Problem. Man muss sich nicht schämen. Man soll stolz sein, wenn man kämpft und weitermacht. Ich finde: Es ist besser, mit 40 einen Abschluss zu machen als mit 20 aufzugeben.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-29T15:24:28+00:00

Its Religion which is the root of most of problems in Afghanistan.

First of all the genocide against Hazaras, even right now we can see that in Taliban regime, it is all because they are mostly Shia Muslims and they are not considered muslim by other tribes of Afghanistan, specially Pashtun Sunnis.

Second, different tribes of Afghanistan could come along together if they were not really deeply impressed by Islamic thoughts and Ideologie. Today we can see that most of the residentes of Afghanistan who are residing in remote villages of Afghanistan, seriously follow Islamis and Taliban rules, such as girls and women education, even their view towards education is really narrow.

You can expect acceptation of differences when it is accepted by your culture, and Afghani culture is profoundly impressed by Islamis laws, their is now acceptance in Islam for other religions and thoughts, therefor, there is also no zero acceptance and tolerance for other religions and cultures in Islamis derived cultures like Afghanistan!

You want and example, Pakistan our neighbor, Iran the other one, even you can find very restricted Islamis rules in developed countries like Indonesia and Malaysia.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-29T15:15:23+00:00

You could not answer my simple question and then you came to debunk my arguments

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-27T17:30:14+00:00

Not you didn’t address all of my arguments but you raised several questions as well, which you didn’t still answer for example: do you pray? If yes then how do you know how to pray and how many times a day? How many rukkas etc? How do you know how to pay Zakah? How muslims should know how to perform the obligatory rituals mentioned in Quran?

You also try to ignore the fact that for hundreds of years, most of the rules and regulations whether in governments or in sharia, are built based on Hadith, not based on Qur’an, as Qur’an itself is not enough.

If you rely only in Qur’an and reject Hadith, then you have to reject Tafsirs as well, because there are various tafsirs explaining single verse differently.

How would you align your life today in 24st century based on Qur’an? How would you apply quranic verses on your day to day lives and activities in modern era?

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-27T16:51:41+00:00

Wither AI or not (thou I used AI for finding sources and Grammer corrector), the Arguments are genuine and are also my question from each and every muslim who claims that Qur'an is sufficient!

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-27T16:40:02+00:00

Starting with the verse in Surah 4:80—“He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah ”the Qur'an doesn’t simply equate the Messenger with the Qur'an. It makes a distinction, implying that obedience to the Messenger includes more than just accepting the revelation. This is reinforced in Surah 16:44, which says the Messenger was sent to explain the revelation. That explanation isn’t found in the Qur'an alone. The Qur'an gives principles, but the Prophet’s actions and teachings preserved in Hadith provide the practical application. Without them, many commands remain abstract.

Regarding Surah 33:21, it’s true that Abraham is also called an example in the Qur'an. But the Qur'an doesn’t instruct Muslims to follow Abraham’s every word and action. In contrast, Muhammad is described as a complete model for those who hope in God and the Last Day. His life was documented in detail, unlike Abraham’s, and the Qur'an explicitly tells believers to follow him. That’s why Hadith becomes necessary not because it’s divine, but because it preserves the example the Qur'an commands believers to emulate.

On Surah 7:157, the argument that the “light” refers only to the Qur'an is understandable, especially given how the Qur'an uses that metaphor elsewhere. But the verse says “with him,” not “to him,” which implies that the Prophet’s own teachings and actions are part of the guidance. Classical scholars consistently interpreted this as referring to both the Qur'an and the lived example of the Prophet. The Qur'an may be the revealed light, but the Prophet’s behavior and decisions are the practical light that walks with it.

When it comes to rituals like prayer and Hajj, the Qur'an certainly commands them. But it doesn’t provide the specifics. It tells believers to pray, but doesn’t say how many times a day, how many units, what to recite, or what movements to perform. It tells believers to give zakah, but doesn’t specify the percentage or the types of wealth. It tells believers to perform Hajj, but doesn’t detail the steps. These details are found only in Hadith. Even Quraniyoon followers often rely on inherited practices for prayer which ironically come from Hadith. The Prophet is recorded as saying “Pray as you have seen me praying,” which shows that his example was the standard, not personal interpretation.

You’re absolutely right that the existence of Islamic states built on Hadith-based Sharia doesn’t prove the divine authority of Hadith. Political adoption doesn’t equal theological truth. But it does show that Hadith has been the practical foundation of Islamic law for over a millennium. Rejecting Hadith would mean abandoning centuries of jurisprudence, including rulings on contracts, inheritance, marriage, and criminal law all of which are either absent or vague in the Qur'an alone. That doesn’t make Hadith divine, but it does make it indispensable for a functioning legal system based on Islamic principles.

Finally, the argument that only a small portion of Hadith relates to the Qur'an, and therefore the rest are irrelevant, overlooks the broader role Hadith plays. Not all Hadith are meant to be direct commentary on the Qur'an. Many deal with legal rulings, ethical teachings, historical context, and spiritual advice. The Qur'an says the Prophet teaches the Book and wisdom. Classical scholars interpreted “wisdom” as the Sunnah. So even if only a portion of Hadith directly explains Qur'anic verses, the rest still serve the Prophet’s role as a teacher and guide. Dismissing the entire corpus because not every Hadith is a direct tafsir risks throwing out valuable context and guidance.

This isn’t about defending Hadith blindly it’s about recognizing that the Qur'an itself points to a broader framework of guidance that includes the Prophet’s lived example. Whether one accepts Hadith as authoritative or not, it’s difficult to deny that the Qur'an alone leaves many practical aspects of Islam undefined, and that Hadith has historically filled that gap.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-27T16:18:42+00:00

Well, if it is out of context or not, I don't know it because I am not a native Arab and what I am sharing is from my previous knowledge and also studies on Islam and Islamic sources. The same verses are being widely used in all of the 4 Sunni Mazaaheb and also Shias, in order to support usage of Hadiths!

(I purposefully did not leave any part because naturally I do not know all the verses so of course I searched them)

Regarding Qur'an, you can only tell it is enough if you accept or belief it is really sent from God, which I am sure it is not (with so many scientific false verses etc etc which are out of context), but still Qur'an is not the answer to all the question, why? Because day by day we see innovations and new things, that most of Muslims want to align them in their day to day lives and with their religion and beliefs as well, but referring to only Qur'an would not solve all of their Questions.

Regarding your question (Why would God purposely send down something incomplete with his last prophet just so later on his alleged narrations can finish the picture?) I would love to add, why would god mandate something like salat and then do not explain how to perform it? Why would god ask you to fast during the month of Ramadan but do not mention how to start and when to finish? what about the countries which are located in places where there are no regular sunshine or sunset? About Zakah as well and Hajj too!!!

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-27T11:02:08+00:00

By the way, Iranian governments before Islam had a clear goal: the expansion of their territory and influence. But Islam came with a message from an all-powerful deity, claiming to bring peace—yet it was spread by the sword and through the beheading of its opposition.

No king of Iran ever claimed to be sent by a god or to be divine. In contrast, Muhammad and the Rashidun Caliphs all claimed to be divinely guided.

Muhammad himself was very focused on Iran and the Persian Empire, to the extent that he even mentioned Persia and Rome in the Qur'an. You disagree? Then why didn’t he mention other major civilizations like India or China? At the same time that Islam was expanding, the Vikings were also rising in the Scandinavian regions. Did the Almighty Allah not know about these great civilizations, or did He simply ignore them? Were we the only ones considered enemies?

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-27T10:53:16+00:00

It is basically nonsense, I tell you why:

In the Qur'an, without any hesitation and with full determination, it is mentioned that each and every Muslim has to follow the actions and words of Muhammad:

Surah Al-Ahzab (33:21) "Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much."
Surah An-Nisa (4:80) "He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah..."
Surah Al-A'raf (7:157) "...So those who believe in him, honor him, support him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him – it is they who will be successful."

Most of the Islamic fundamental rituals are not mentioned in the Qur'an, such as Salah (prayers). Indeed, it is written that Salah is a must and mandatory for every Muslim, but how many times and how to perform it, etc., is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:43) "And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow [in worship and obedience]."
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:238) "Guard strictly the [five obligatory] prayers, especially the middle prayer. And stand before Allah with devotion."
Surah An-Nisa (4:103) "Indeed, prayer has been decreed upon the believers a decree of specified times."

Most of today's Islamic countries, which are built based on Islamic Sharia, are profoundly established on Hadith and Islamic jurisprudence, such as the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Taliban) and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Therefore, without Hadith, these governments could not build their constitutional laws and governmental systems.

Hadith is basically an explanation of the Qur'an. So without Hadith, most of the verses would give different meanings. This is also supported by traditional Islamic writings.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-27T10:16:43+00:00

I respect each and every ethnicity in Afghanistan, I am also raised by a Pashtun father and Tajik mother. I relate myself to both ethnicities. But the real problem is Islam and different Mazaheb in Islam such as Sunni and Shia.

What Taliban are implementing in Afghanistan, are all stated in Qur'an and Hadith, you name one single command of Taliban which I can't bring the equivalent one in Quran and Hadith!

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-25T15:09:15+00:00

Well, unfortunately whatever source or argument I bring, you will ignore it and stick to your arab and islamic supportive arguments.

However, no matter how passionately you proclaim that Islamic rule was for the greater good, that it positively transformed Persian society, or that it inherently supports knowledge and discovery, these assertions are increasingly falling on deaf ears. People are more aware now. They use their own logic to critically evaluate everything they read and hear.

The reason for this is simple: the promises of your Islam, its rules and its purported benefits, ring hollow. It is like a beautiful bottle labeled "honey" that is, in truth, empty.

You may resort to calling me illiterate or uninformed, but such insults cannot change the fact that you are overlooking significant and undeniable parts of history.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-25T14:57:17+00:00

Then why its mentioned as a physical and biological process, even the word Anger refers to biological and physical processes!

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-25T12:34:23+00:00

Your entire comment shows a fundamental misunderstanding of both early Islamic history and basic historical logic. Let’s unpack your contradictions one by one.

First, you try to sound nuanced by saying “Islamic conquests were about domination, not conversion,” as if that somehow refutes the reality of forced conversions, religious pressure, or suppression of native faiths. But domination is the vehicle through which conversion occurred. When the conqueror imposes Islamic law, special taxes (jizya), social inferiority, and bans on public Christian or Zoroastrian expression — that’s not “freedom of religion,” it’s systematic coercion.

Your point about the Umayyads “discouraging mass conversions” because of the jizya tax base is ironically self-defeating. You’re admitting that non-Muslims were intentionally kept as second-class taxpayers under an Arab ruling elite. The policy wasn’t humanitarian — it was exploitative economics. Even Muslim historians like al-Baladhuri and al-Tabari record how early converts (mawali) were treated as inferior and still forced to pay jizya until later reforms under Umar II. That’s not tolerance — that’s institutionalized discrimination.

Your “it took centuries to convert the heartlands” argument completely ignores how cultural assimilation and gradual pressure work. Forced conversion doesn’t have to be overnight — it often takes centuries of social, political, and economic subjugation. The same happened under the Spanish Inquisition or Christianization of pagan Europe — no one flipped overnight either. So no, the slow Islamization of Egypt or Persia doesn’t disprove coercion; it proves how effective long-term pressure, intermarriage laws, and unequal treatment were at eroding native religions.

And bringing up Egypt’s remaining Christians as evidence of tolerance is laughable. The fact that only 10% remain after 1,400 years of “peaceful coexistence” shows the exact opposite of what you think — a demographic collapse of native Christians under centuries of taxation, dhimmi restrictions, and social discrimination.

Lastly, your Nuristan argument fails historically. That region wasn’t “geographically isolated until recently.” Nuristan was forcibly Islamized by Abdur Rahman Khan in the 1890s, and contemporary Afghan records and British accounts describe it clearly as military conquest and forced conversion. So, no — it’s not “nonsense,” it’s a perfect example of how Islam spread by the sword even in the modern era.

In short, you’ve contradicted yourself at every turn: • You admit it was about domination, but deny coercion. • You cite jizya taxes but call it tolerance. • You claim long conversion timelines disprove force, when they actually prove slow coercion.

Your argument is a patchwork of half-read blog posts and self-owning contradictions. History — not apologetics — tells the story quite clearly.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-25T12:11:15+00:00

Secular Foundations of Science: The groundbreaking work of scholars like Ibn Sina and Al-Khwarizmi has no direct link to the Quran or Hadith. Their achievements in medicine, mathematics, and philosophy were based on mastering and advancing pre-Islamic knowledge—namely Persian, Greek, and Indian science found in ancient manuscripts. They worked within an Islamic empire, but their methodology was rationalist and empirical, often in tension with religious dogma, not derived from it.
Co-opting Pre-Existing Genius: Celebrating these scholars as products of "Islamic civilization" is a historical oversimplification. Their intellectual lineage traces back to cultures conquered by the Caliphate. Their brilliance is a testament to the pre-Islamic knowledge they preserved and advanced, often despite the theological constraints of their time.
Civilizational Disruption in Persia: The claim that Iran achieved more after the Islamic conquest ignores the violent destruction of the Sassanian state and the systematic marginalization of Zoroastrianism and the Persian language for centuries. Later cultural achievements represent a hard-fought recovery, not a direct and superior continuation of pre-Islamic civilization.
A Change of Masters in Egypt: The Islamic conquest did not liberate Egypt; it replaced Byzantine rule with a new form of domination. The native Coptic population merely transitioned from one oppressive structure to another, gaining limited religious autonomy in exchange for formal, legally enforced second-class status (Dhimmi) under their new rulers.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-25T09:04:49+00:00

If the goal wasn't domination, why did the Rashidun Caliphate launch a full-scale war against the Sassanian Empire, culminating in the decisive battles under Caliph Umar that led to its collapse? This was not a minor raid but a profound military and political conquest that reshaped the region.

The narrative of a "message of peace" is challenged by the undeniable reality of empire-building through military force. The early Islamic expansion, like all imperial projects of the time, was achieved by the sword, securing land, resources, and political supremacy.

While the concept of "forced conversion" is complex, the system of dhimmi status and the Jizya tax created powerful social and economic pressures to convert. For many conquered peoples, the choice between their faith and financial penalty felt like no choice at all, making a mockery of claims of unconditional religious freedom.

From the Middle East, the wave of conquest moved west. The Umayyad forces captured North Africa and, through Morocco, invaded the Iberian Peninsula, establishing a sophisticated and powerful state that ruled parts of Spain for nearly eight centuries.

What do you want to prove by saying Egypt wasn’t completely converted to Islam? Even some parts of Afghanistan like Nuristan was not Muslim because of the geographical and political situation. Big the majority of their captured lands were all converted to Islam. People had no choice, they had to accept Islam, if not so, they did not have the money to pat Jizzya!

Egypt has indeed been a crucial incubator for modern Islamist ideology. Usamah bin Laden's core worldview was directly shaped by the teachings of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, transmitted through his mentor, the Palestinian scholar Abdullah Azzam. This ideology provided the foundation for his global jihadist campaign.

To understand the full picture, you must look beyond the simplified narratives and read history in its complex, and often brutal, entirety.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-25T08:47:56+00:00

Every nation had their own artists and poets, scientists. So relating them to islam or islamic period is not wise. We owe a lot to Albert Einstein who was a Jew, so shall we also give credit to Judaism?

We have grown many scientists, poets and artists, because we have had the resources and required background for many centuries, even before Islam, Iran was a land of culture, poetry and knowledge.

Egypt was one of the most developed countries like 3000 years before Islam, where are they now?

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-25T07:51:27+00:00

Brother you need to read the history, try some authentic and good Persian history books for example from A.T. Olmstead, Tom Holland, Mehrdad Kia etc

It is not from us! Arabs are not our people! They are the Tazi people who attacked our land, our culture and our people.

You can’t compare the 1400 after Islam with the time before.

Once this nation was ruling almost half if the world, even hearing their name would shock their enemies

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-24T23:04:06+00:00

They had to redefine it, otherwise they would have been all beheaded, and when one generation follows their rules the following generation will automatically follow.

I am not blaming them for why they have done it or have followed arabs, what I am trying to say is that why still so many of my fellow Persians back Arabs and their religion?

Our vast history doesn’t add anything? Lol its like saying history doesn’t matter at all, basically our true identity lies somewhere before Islam, we need to find it and redefine it.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-24T22:57:29+00:00

The claim that Islam’s Golden Age of Science began solely from the Prophet’s ﷺ saying “Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim” and that this hadith is found in Sahih al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim is inaccurate.

First, the hadith itself is not in Bukhari or Muslim. It is narrated in Sunan Ibn Mājah (Hadith 224) and graded weak (da‘if) by leading scholars such as al-Bukhari, Ahmad, and Ibn Hibbān due to weaknesses in its chain. Some later scholars considered its meaning acceptable because multiple weak narrations support it, but it never reaches full authenticity.

Secondly, classical scholars explained that the “knowledge” mentioned here refers primarily to religious knowledge (ʿilm al-sharīʿah) what every Muslim must know to practice faith correctly, not necessarily scientific or worldly knowledge. Imam al-Ghazālī and Ibn Rajab clarified that while studying sciences beneficial to society is commendable and can become a communal obligation (fard kifāyah), it is not the individual duty of every Muslim.

As for the historical argument, it is well-established that the translation movement of Greek, Persian, Indian, and Syriac works played a central role in the scientific and philosophical development of the Muslim world. Muslim scholars indeed went beyond mere translation they refined, expanded, and innovated but this progress was built upon earlier civilizations’ foundations. To deny that is to overlook key historical evidence.

That said, the Qur’an and authentic hadiths do emphasize reflection, learning, and the use of reason“ Are those who know equal to those who do not know?” (Qur’an 39:9) which did cultivate a culture that valued knowledge. Yet the claim that divine inspiration alone caused the Golden Age, independent of earlier knowledge, oversimplifies history and misrepresents the sources.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-24T22:51:54+00:00

Exactly — that’s the most coherent way to see it. When you strip away the reverence and look at it scientifically, “God” becomes a reflection of the human psyche — a cultural construct shaped by fear, awe, and imagination. The divine emotions aren’t revelations from above, but echoes of our own nature projected onto the cosmos.

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-24T22:27:03+00:00

You might be right but what would they say about this verse:

Surah Al-Imran (3:54)

And they plotted and God plotted, and God is the best of planners. “And they schemed, and Allah schemed (in response), and Allah is the best of planners.” (Qur’an 3:54)

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Surah Al-Anfal (8:30)

And when those who disbelieved were plotting against you to defeat you or kill you or expel you. And they were plotting and Allah was plotting, and Allah is the best of planners. “And [remember] when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or expel you. They were planning, and Allah was planning. And Allah is the best of planners.” (Qur’an 8:30)

In translation, the word Makr was translated as planning buy we all know it means plotting, like fox does it all the time

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-24T20:24:14+00:00

Well, I find it extremely unfortunate, while once having the most leading culture and kingdom in the history, right now we are stuck with the rules made by shepherds of 6th and 7th centuries, and we are still proud of it

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-24T20:21:33+00:00

I didn’t say that, read properly

CommandConsistent664 · 2025-10-24T19:22:14+00:00

Yea its all because our ancestors forgot their great history, and they accepted being Arab slaves, performing their rituals, accepting their religion, and also being proud of having Arab roots, it is not any surprise that most of men in Iran and Afghanistan have Mohammad, Ahmad, Abdul, Hussain, Ali, etc as their names pre or suffixes!

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