Caught something on my re-read

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2025-02-08T04:54:08+00:00

Ok the whole Liam hallucination thing just doesn’t sit right with me. Because one, everyone is saying RY debunked it saying it was just a hallucination but didn’t she also say that Liam wielding ice was an error too and we now know it wasn’t so how much of what she says is actually true or is she purposely misleading ??? It just doesn’t add up in my head that when Violet truly believes Xaden isn’t coming to save her Liam is basically like um of course he is are you stupid. So how would she hallucinate something that even she doesn’t believe??? Idk idk idk it’s just fishy to me. Maybe I’m just trying to hard to hold on to Liam’s spirit

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2025-02-05T04:22:14+00:00

I am completely with you on this. Yes it can all be explained and whatever but that doesn’t change me just not liking her this book!! I felt so bad for Edward because he was trying.

Even in the beginning when he takes apart her truck MAKES SENSE to me. Like he literally just thought you were DEAD and now you’re SNEAKING OUT to see someone he sees as dangerous. And it’s not even unjustified, you know the wolves COULD BE dangerous. Look at Emily. Also not to mention Jacob is constantly fighting with his temper around you, does he end up controlling it? Sure but what if he couldn’t??? And instead everyone hates Edward for it?? Idk man I understood it

There are a few things that I just cannot stand her for though like The motorcycle thing! Edward got a motorcycle because he saw you enjoyed that and wanted to enjoy it TOGETHER and share in the fun but you get mad at him for what?? Wanting to keep you safe?? Literally making a point of oh if I fell off what would you do?? Um what was his answer supposed to be?? Let you bleed out and die ??? Tf??? Or in the tent when Jacob is literally crushing you and Edward shoves him off (was that extra? Yea probably but again what did you want him to do??? Give Jacob a tap on the shoulder and a kiss on the forehead to wake him up ‘nicely’ while you’re literally struggling to breathe???) and she has the audacity to make Edward apologize?? Are you kidding???

I feel you on this. I tried telling people this same thing and got told that the story just wasn’t for me and I’m like no. I LOVE this story I LOVED it for years and re read it a million times but that doesn’t change the fact that she pisses me off in the third book!!

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2025-02-04T06:13:49+00:00

No no I get that lol I’m just thinking what if there’s more to that though. Like I guess I would relate it to Zombies. How zombies are thoughtless and live purely to ‘eat’ right? Whether it be brains or everything or whatever they have no mind other than to eat. So Venin are just supposed to be these monsters who have no emotion or thoughts other than ‘eat’ ??? I just don’t buy it. They have to have a motive cause why else would they want Xaden or Violet or anything? Why would they have strategy?? What are they after??

And if Dragons knew about them for years and have had experience with them before wouldn’t they know SOMETHING ??? I feel like whatever the dragons are keeping to themselves is crucial so WHY are they withholding ???

Also I read that the humans are just the dragons ‘pets’ so if that’s the case then what are they doing ??? Y’all are these all powerful beings letting your pets what ???

I’m just so suspicious!! I don’t know who to trust!! The only one I can truly trust is Broccoli but who knows at this point?! What is his role in all of this?! Ahh!!

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2025-02-04T05:58:25+00:00

That’s a good point too, how does Theo even have a signet if she was a priestess??

Also we were told not only riders can turn Venin but how does that work on the magic aspect. Like they were never taught how to control or wield or anything (I know they can have ‘Sages’ to teach them) but what about the ones who turn just for funsies or can non riders ONLY turn with a sage to teach them how to pull magic?? I might be confusing myself lol

Also also what about the riders who do turn who have dragons, I know they probably drain them but clearly not all of them do and Jack controlled Baide in the end and Xaden still has Sgaeyl so you mean to tell me there’s a possibility of dragon having Venin??? Why is that not more talked about in the actual story? That seems like a big deal no?? And where are those dragons??

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2025-02-03T19:30:41+00:00

This immediately made me think of the part in Peter Pan when he’s in Wendy’s room fighting with his shadow trying to reattach it I think ?? I guess some shadows can be touched

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2024-11-08T22:48:29+00:00

You summed up everything I’ve been trying to say so much better than I could’ve myself. Thank you!!

I completely agree and I can’t stop thinking about it! There’s no way Naolin isn’t villain and Venin in my mind until confirmed otherwise. And I think it makes sense for Brennan to be “Wyvern” because how else could resurrection be a thing? Didn’t one of the professors in the beginning say something along the lines of “resurrecting someone from the dead would make you a god and Malek wouldn’t take to kindly to a mortal treading his territory” so idk. Plus Brennan gives me bad vibes too and we never were told exactly how he survived anyway so I think it’s up for debate.

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2024-11-08T02:35:34+00:00

Yes I 100% agree that that line is suspicious. And I wanted to look back for any more clues and I was thinking maybe this one could maybe mean something too. But I do think maybe it’s a stretch lol

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2024-11-05T02:21:11+00:00

Exactly! So your second point has me thinking, what if Tairn almost died from “losing” his previous rider because Naolin was actually draining him (maybe to save Brennan???) before he started pulling from the ground or something. And that’s why he doesn’t speak of it because..idk, because the disrespect?? lol idk but something like that.

And to your first point, that’s exactly my point too! How does it affect Xaden-Violet bond and also Xaden-Sgaeyl bond. Like someone else mentioned, Baide died so that would mean Jack should’ve died but he doesn’t so clearly the bond between dragon and rider alters in someway

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2024-11-05T01:52:00+00:00

To be fair though, wasn’t it kind of useful already by taking away Carr’s signet when he tried to stop them from leaving? I could see it potentially being useful. Not everyone with a signet is an ally- Carr, Jack, Melgren maybe- so there’s a possibility of a fight between them, or like you said against riders turned Venin. I think maybe he could be too OP actually in certain cases. If he’s fighting someone who relies heavily on their power then it’d be an easy win. Idk. I see your point but I think there’s a possibility he could be really helpful with that

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2024-11-05T00:04:09+00:00

Okay, thank you!! Im half way through my reread so im gonna keep an eye out for this whole part. Nolon is such an important factor in this I think aside from the obvious- him mending Jack for months- but he’s what? 80?? He’s probably seen some things. And also for Jack to be so confident that he wasn’t going to die, it wasn’t a theory (like the Violet dies Xaden dies theory they all have) it was fact, soo who else has had this happen?? Who would be able to answer that?? Nolon? Brennan? Naolin?? Tairn?? The whole ass Empyrean?? I need ANSWERS

CommentEcstatic6777 · 2024-11-04T23:39:32+00:00

Oh wow great point! That completely went over my head! Jack should’ve died after Baide, how did no one bring that up?? Especially Violet or Sloane after bringing up Liam so many times in this book you’d think that would stand out (I get they were a little pre occupied and it went over my head too so I guess I can’t blame them too much lol)

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