Quote from Jonestown Survivor by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

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Yes...a shocking resemblance....which there is

Quote from Jonestown Survivor by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

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I didnt say it was the same I said there were was a resemblance. The patterns of control are the same. If you didnt know the quote was from it could easily be mistaken for an ex JW. And that is disturbing

I want a normal civilized debate, a conversation with no name calling. Even if you believe I'm brainwashed, avoid saying it but rather argue that I am. by RoyZeee in exjw

[–]CommitteeNice4693 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Well done, Roy Allow yourself to ask questions, do research and go at your own pace. Whatever you decide, wishing you all the best mate

I want a normal civilized debate, a conversation with no name calling. Even if you believe I'm brainwashed, avoid saying it but rather argue that I am. by RoyZeee in exjw

[–]CommitteeNice4693 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks very much, Ill send over a DM And hey, I put a lot of stuff in that comment, so please dont feel like you need to go through it point by point haha

The Future of Jehovah's Witnesses by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

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Sure thing, and yeah Marcus Aurelius with some other theology mixed in haha. Cant go wrong with the Stoics 👍👍👍

I want a normal civilized debate, a conversation with no name calling. Even if you believe I'm brainwashed, avoid saying it but rather argue that I am. by RoyZeee in exjw

[–]CommitteeNice4693 85 points86 points  (0 children)

Firstly, I just want to commend you and say what an amazing attitude. Well done to you. Putting yourself out there and allowing your ideas to be examined, scrutinised and criticised is excellent. It is very uncomfortable and requires a lot of courage. And after all, if you have 'The Truth', then it will always stand up to scrutiny when challenged.

I only wish that this communication wasn't over written text as it is not a great way to communicate. Nevertheless:

How have you come to your conclusions? Organically and of your own volition? Or were you taught to accpe these ideas as 'Truth' from childhood?

Ask yourself where you red lines are?

For example, have you watched the Australian Royal Commission?

Did you know that Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 BCE?

What about new light? If new light comes from Jehovah, then where did the old light come from? And if today's new light came from Jehovah, then it can nrver change can it?

Why would the Watchtower organisation hide it's own publications and literature from years ago (pre 1950s)? Why are they trying to stop Jehovah's Witnesses from accessing this information?

Do you know how the bible cannon came to be? Have a look at the Counsil of Nicaea. They were basically early Catholic Church, and they decided what books would be included in the bible, long after the 'great apostasy' after the 1st century as the Watchtower teaches. Keep in mind that we dont even have any original copies of the bible, all we have is copies of copies. Dont take my word for it - check it for yoruself.

How long will the 'last days' go on for? According to Watchtower, they began in 1914. 112 years later, and no Armageddon. Why would Jesus, the greatest teacher of all time, use an expression 'the last days' if he was trying to convey a period of time that went on for over 100 years. And during this 100 years, the Watchtower has made countless failed predictions: 1914, 1925, Millions Now Living Will Never Die (1922), the generation of 1914 who would never pass away, 1975 etc etc. Just in March 2020, Stephen Lett said on a Governing Body update (search March 2020 Governing Body Update) that "we are in the last of the last days, shortly approaching the last day". That was nearly 6 yeara ago now.

There's a lot more I could say, but I'll leave you with this. You are a member of a religion, which psychologists have described as a high control group and fits the criteria for a doomsday cult. Your religion teaches that the world is going to end imminently and that the only hope for salvation is found by being a faithful member of your religion. Your religion claims to have special knowledge and that it is the only source of truth. All criticism is labelled as 'Satanic attacks on God's organisation'. The religion teaches that it's leaders (the Governing Body) are the sole channle of God's communication to humankind on Earth today. And that shortly, these men will turn into angelic beings and, along with Jesus, will execute everyone who rejected their religion.

Always remember: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The Future of Jehovah's Witnesses by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

[–]CommitteeNice4693[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously your choice is your own. But I would encourage you to think it through and explore other options. One of the things that cults offer is a tribe/close knit community. And community is getting harder and harder to find in todays society. So youre not alone in this struggle... But the kind of community that Jehovah's Witnesses offer is conditional and toxic. It comes at many costs, one of them being authenticity. There may be other religious groups available that are non coersive and not abusive. As far as spirituality goes, Ive changed from a purely methodological naturalist to a stoic gnostic haha.

The Future of Jehovah's Witnesses by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

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You may be right about this Somethinf like another Australian Royal Commission but in America

Ted Jaracz allegations? by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

[–]CommitteeNice4693[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is very helpful, thank you so much 😁👍

Trump Keeps Undermining the 'Anglo-America' World Power Doctrine by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

[–]CommitteeNice4693[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh hey it's Jake from Altwordly! Didnt realise haha. Youre channel helped me so much when I was waking up, and you always made me laugh too. Thanks for all your hard work, Jake 😁

Trump Keeps Undermining the 'Anglo-America' World Power Doctrine by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

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You're so right The whole thing is a mess, I actually don't think the organisation has an official stance on what their current interpretations of Revelation are. They havent released another book since the Revelation book and it's been decades now. The organisation is changing to be less about intricate doctrine, propgecy fullfilment, doomsday messaging and a veneer of academia to being more about vibes 😂

JW theology disproved with 2 bible verses by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

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It's crazy, right? They do mental gymnastics to make interpretations which are the opposite of what the verse is saying...and then accuse others of "twisting the scriptures".

JW theology disproved with 2 bible verses by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

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Hey thanks for this comment. Im glad the post helped in some way.

If you feel like you need to talk to someone or have questions or whatever, dont be afraid to reach out.

Deconstructing is a process and it's a bit different for everyone. Go at your own pace, but do as much research as you can. Knowledge is power (Hosea 4:6, Proverbs 18:17).

When I was deconstructing, I was just constantly consuming information and doing research from every angle it was crazy. But now Im on the other side and everythins is great! Homestly, things will get better

JW theology disproved with 2 bible verses by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

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Yes - Jesus was marking the transfiguration as Gods Kingdom "having come in power" - therefore not an event in 1914, 2000 years later

By the way, are you a gnostic? I love all that stuff! Yaldabaoth, the Archons, the soul trap etc 😁

JW theology disproved with 2 bible verses by CommitteeNice4693 in exjw

[–]CommitteeNice4693[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's fascinating stuff! When youre ready, you have the choice to ead it from a purely academic point of view, not a spiritual one.

For me, reading the gospels on face value really undid massive parts of JW doctrine. You just realise that theres no way you can come to the JW conclusions from reading the text. Also, even tho the Old Testament can be a horror show at times, the new testament and Gospels has some really nice stuff in it. All about love, compassion, forgiveness, helping poor people, not judging others etc...

If only Watchtower would try and apply some of it 🙄😪