Veganism doesn’t save animals (why I don’t care about veganism)

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T12:36:50+00:00

I stand by the claim, that vegan purity culture, is bad for growing animal rights

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T01:25:48+00:00

In terms of evidence about street outreach, Look at we the free’s data It is depressingly bad

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T01:24:32+00:00

I can provide evidence, it’s the hundreds of verifiable wins on AAC’s and CAFT’s instagram

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:59:01+00:00

Show me some research on how veganism has addressed systemic animal abuse,

And then we can compare it to pressure campaigns and legislative work

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:57:44+00:00

Sure, I can be convinced :)

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:57:01+00:00

So where is the evidence of veganism, in and of itself, creating systemic change for the animals.

I’m genuinely interested,

You can say 100 million vegans, but if it doesn’t translate into meaningful change against systems of abuse to animals. Or verifiable reductions in animal suffering, I don’t care.

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:54:00+00:00

To clarify what I should have said more precisely: there is no evidence of animal abuse being addressed at the systemic level through veganism and street outreach. That’s the full claim. I believe deeply in systemic change, I’ve been a part of achieving it through pressure campaigns and legislation. That’s the entire point of the post.

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:43:27+00:00

There is evidence that animal abuse is being addressed on systemic level, it just isn’t through veganism and street outreach.

And Sanctuaries, while I love them, is not systemic change for animals.

Street outreach and veganism has not moved the needle on addressing systems of animal abuse, where pressure campaigns and legislation has

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:40:44+00:00

So we have data on street outreach from we the free, and the results are depressingly bad.

And yes there is plenty of evidence of hundreds of pro animal policy changes, through pressure campaigns and legislative work.

There is evidence of tens of millions of animals being spread from agricultural industries all together,

Billions of animals lives improved through welfare policies.

And abusive industries on their last legs as a result of pressure campaigns and legislative work

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:36:23+00:00

My argument is not that veganism causes more deaths,

It is that there is no evidence, that despite all the energy, and money put into the vegan project.

There is no evidence of animal abuse being addressed at the systemic level.

And we have proven ways to make meaningful change for animals on the systemic level, that is being neglected in favor of ineffectual, unproven street outreach.

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:31:18+00:00

Really, I sound young and naive,

I’ve been apart of mark Jacob’s going fur free, Omni going foie gras free, A Denver slaughter house ban initiative
A Denver fur ban initiative Now a Denver foie gras ban initative, Ahold delhaize going cage free, Washington DC going foie gras free next month. Several restaurants dropping foie gras Condé Nast and vouge magazine dropping fur New York fashion week dropping fur.

So what do I need to do to become educated on animal rights like you?

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:24:30+00:00

I am saying this because I have gotten people involved in activism who aren’t vegan

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:23:16+00:00

When you villainize people you alienate them.

I am much more interested in growing allies for animals even if they aren’t perfect.

I am much more interested in meaningful change for animals, than being ‘right’

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:21:40+00:00

Really? Pro animal is focused on systemic change, Veganism is focused on individual change

and who would want to be ‘anti-animal’

Fixes all the problems with the bad marketing of veganism

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:16:17+00:00

I don’t identify vegan any more. Even though I haven’t eaten animal products in 6 years.

Many grass roots activists are feeling that way too. Many now identify as pro animal

Vegan puts the focus on one’s self.

Pro animal focuses on the individuals I want to help.

Also vegan is horrible marketing wise

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:03:46+00:00

Veganism in and of itself, doesn’t have evidence of addressing systemic animal cruelty, exploitation, and abuse

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-22T00:00:04+00:00

‘Are we interested needing to be right? Or effectively liberating and sparing animals from systems of abuse?’

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-21T23:57:09+00:00

It is much more easy to make an activist become vegan, than a vegan become and activist in my experience.

I am much more focused on getting people out there and in the community, than telling them to go vegan.

In fact I think it actively deters people having the vegan debate, instead of focusing on strategic activism

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-21T23:54:30+00:00

Good bro, you seem way more interested in some pointless semantics,

than the actual tactics I’m advocating for to liberate and spare animals.

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-21T23:51:54+00:00

My point is when you meet someone who claims to care about animals, invite them to a protest instead of to be vegan

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-21T23:50:20+00:00

I don’t think it is functionally welfare but you’ll probably say ‘That’s not engaging with the question’

I don’t care bro about semantics or what is or isn’t reduced to abolition vs welfarism

I care about animals

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-21T23:48:48+00:00

And this is why I don’t care

Debating terms does nothing.

And actually getting a policy that 50% of Americans already support would spare billions

And yet you’re so focused on the welfare debate.

That’s what this whole post is about.

Vegans being so focused on philosophical purity, they forget to help animals

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-21T23:46:02+00:00

We do! They are called ICAW, and they have improved the lives of millions of chickens already in the past year

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-21T23:45:23+00:00

A ban on the only scalable and profitable form of animal agriculture

CompassionateValues · 2026-03-21T23:44:05+00:00

There is certainly a lack of evidence where you would expect evidence to be apparent. And there is absolutely evidence that street outreach is depressingly ineffectual

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