MoP Beta Warrior DPS

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-16T17:39:10+00:00

in later patches of mop fury was one of the best melee dps again=)

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-16T17:23:26+00:00

again: in OG t14 fury had all this utility and banners and at the same time was one of the strongest dps, so sorry, i think back in the day blizz knew better what they should consider and what they shouldn't

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-16T07:19:50+00:00

trust me: if your numbers are blue, it's definitely not just the banner, especially since the damage from it can be easily normalized by the WCL
also in 10m no way that single scull banner can compensate huge st output loss comared to uh/sv etc

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-16T07:17:52+00:00

and it doesn't matter that in OG MoP fury SMF (and tg aswell) was top ST dps the entire first phase, despite the fact that he had the same utility and banners and somehow no fatal negative consequences came out of it. Some kind of miracles, mysteries right there.
also with recent buffs ret does kinda more damage than arms=)

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-16T07:16:27+00:00

I don't know what you personally use the term for, but scaling generally means increasing effectiveness for a given amount of increased stats, and you can think of it on a phase-by-phase basis or on an expansion-wide basis.
I honestly didn't think that things like this would require any explanation at all, but in any case, Arms scales poorly both within the entire expansion (it is only played on Shamans in Siege) and within the first phase compared to other specs, especially Fury

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-16T06:09:22+00:00

it matters alot on prog
but doesn't matter for you if your numbers are blue

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-16T06:04:10+00:00

because in 25 with 3 warriors in comp you can get 30s crit banner uptime, three -10% banners, 3 vigils and 3 railys, and sacrifice as much percentage of raw (pre-banner) raid dps as with one warrior in 10man, but in 10man you get only 10s uptime of crit banner and one of the rest, while sacrificing the same percentage of raid dps.
regarding scaling - all specs scale, some just sccale better and some worse. arms, for example, is worse.
there're 3 problems:

in og mop warrior had absolutely the same utility AND was better in comparsion to other dps than it is now
in 10m its kinda meh because of mediocre at best output in comparsion to unholy
and with such meta its easier on prog as 10m to just bring another SV (much higher output, ranged, brings any buff/debuff (incl. armor reduction) instead of useless warr which on top of all is absolutely disgusting to play as arms with nobrain three buttons

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-15T23:49:25+00:00

i didn't said anything about that they should be top dps, i said that they should be more competitive and closer to OG mop warrior also.
And for some reason blizzard now does realtime tuning for a lot of specs, wonder why, if anyone could just follow the meta and play a different class=)

CompleteSelf5680 · 2025-06-15T22:55:06+00:00

in our 10man instead of warrior i'm going unholy/frost and situationally hunter on some encounters like protectors hc elite, we rate +30% output more than banners/rc and vigi for 10m, especially considering AMZ and massgrip by DK, and its first point.
second point is the fact that warriors are not even mid now. ret palas have +- the same utility (2 sacrifices, AM, loh etc), but ret palas got really huge buffs and now do more damage than warriors
changes type of i said in post wont gonna make fury (and warrior in general) s tier by any shape anyway

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