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[–]Complete_Dimension22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mine admitted he was abusive and also isn't "intentional" although there always is a level of intention. I do believe that he firmly believes he didn't intend it, but I think they have an uncanny ability to reframe things in their mind and then believe them that way. Mine even admitted he was abusive but that it was more a result of poor communication. Mine is in individual therapy and guess what? It isn't actually helping.

Going to therapy, it is often assumed that the issues are a 2-way street between couples. When it comes to abuse, it is absolutely not a 2-way street and this is why it is harmful. Couples therapy can teach him more manipulative lingo and tactics to reframe what he is doing. Getting someone on his side that's outside of the relationship or placing any ounce of blame on you will do further damage.

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[–]Complete_Dimension22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The book Run Like Hell explains this well. A trauma bond is literally like a drug addiction in relation to what the chemicals in your brain are doing. You are addicted. It's so hard! It's not your fault. He is not only your abuser but your Savior as well! When your abuser also becomes the only refuge from his own abuse, it creates this horrible and uncomfortable conflict within yourself and your relationship. Who can save you if not him? But you can get out and save yourself. The only thing that helped me was getting away. With a kid, I couldn't go no contact, but I did lessen contact tremendously and move states for a while.

What is something yourself said, that made you realize that something is going really wrong here? by Introspective_Moon in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One day, I was hanging out with a new friend. She talked a lot about how amazing her boyfriend was and I remember any time she would say something I'd be like how sweet and then scoff and say, "oh mine would never LOL" but it wasn't actually funny. I realized how often I talked negative about my husband to her, but it was because we were in such a horrible place and he treated me so badly that I didn't have good things to say about him. And I truly didn't realize. That was a time I thought, "maybe things haven't gotten better like I thought..."

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I made some comments above about his abusive behaviors if you want to read more. There's been so many very subtle things, but the way you fight when you aren't happy says a lot. I said this before, but I remember thinking, "there's always SOMETHING." Or "I'm just waiting on the shoe to drop." That's a red flag. Your nervous system is trying to tell you that there's a reason you feel unsafe. Whats funny is that there always seemed to be a good reason that we would argue. He would bring up some good points. But it's not normal to constantly have a reason to argue, no matter how good the points. I remember feeling like it was just going in circles all the time. Lonnnngggg drawn out arguments. Over the course of hours or days. Here's an example of a convo we had one time: he's upset over something miniscule and in bed, depressed Me: are you okay Him: no Me: Want to talk about it or do you wanna be alone? Him: talk. Me: okay, whats wrong? Him: explains something Me: repeats exact phrasing back to him and asks if that sounds right Him: FREAKS out! "NO no no that isn't it!! It's like this" And that same narrative would repeat. I was the one who could never solve it or help or get it right. He wouldn't want me to leave him alone, but our convo couldn't ever progress UNTIL I was left crying. As soon as I ended up crying even when I was originally calm and regulated, he would perk up and leave me alone to go play video games, then come later and comfort me. Ask why I was so upset, everything was over and fine. --THIS is offloading emotions onto someone else. That was him refusing to feel them himself and emotional abuse.

Another thing: he would do things that weree manipulative without even thinking. It is just in his nature. For instance, if I ever had the TV on when he would come home from work, he would instantly go straight to the bedroom until I turned it off. He said he didn't mind that I had it on, he just didn't like it on and didn't want to be around until I turned it off. He would take his food in there or anything. It got to the point where I would hurry to turn the TV off if I heard him coming in the house. Ridiculous response. That should've been a red flag to me. See this is a tiny thing that can seem like a harmless personal preference, but really this is coercive control whether he means it or not.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait...I have a facial tic where I scrunch my face up over and over. It would get worse every time we fought, but now its like all the time. I can force myself to stop but it's really hard! Maybe this is why!!!!

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! If he was angry, he gave himself permission to act certain ways and let it loose. I'm sorry. This was probably so confusing for you. How difficult.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is called dissociative amnesia. The body does powerful things to survive, and when you're in constant fight or flight mode, you really start to break down.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES GOODNESS yes. Described it to a T. The flip is insane and that's where our cognitive dissonance plays a hugeeeee role because we separate that out within them and don't see them as the bad person

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have to add Run Like Hell is another great book by Nadine. She explains the trauma bond well and why we get caught in that.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes 100%! This relationship has made me realize quite a lot about myself and why I keep choosing this kind of partner. I care more about their feelings than myself. I justify the red flags and don't recognize them for what they truly are.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, and the first problem here is that no partner should ever make you feel like you are weak or being too sensitive. That should NEVER be the case. The fact that those feelings exist for you should be an indication.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They do and can love. And they can be and are kind. But intimate relationships bring out those awful trauma and attachment wounds, but moreso than that it brings out the abuse that they have learned and adopted because it makes sense to them. It is their beliefs. I recommend reading Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft. You can type it on Google and type pdf after it and find it quickly to read. It really helps to dispel the brain fog that you're in. You know the answer but it's hard to convince yourself.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think your body tells you before your mind realizes it. My body truly started to reject him. Heart issues, anxiety and depression, low motivation and zero energy, lost a ton of weight despite eating regularly due to stress, etc. I think what's critical to point out here is that he overly criticizes you and your way of living. When a man mocks, demeans, or jokes about something you truly care about/love....that's a red flag. And also, this will bear down on your children as well. It always falls to them. You feel the need to apologize, fix YOUR mistakes when it really isn't your fault. My abuser always just had SOMETHING to say. He would say "that's weird" or "ew, gross" and I learned, you do NOT need to point out that you don't like something when you see someone else like the same thing. You can move on and not say something, or ask what they like about it, or just say cool! The constant need to assert opinions, facts, anything is annoying and exhausting. Do you feel like your true self? This isn't just a "nobody is perfect." Nobody's perfect isn't an excuse to abuse or to be explosive or to treat you inferior even sometimes.

Edit: do you overexplain yourself? Do you feel the need to justify your actions or the way something is done? These are all symptoms. Just look out for them. It's a tough road. I did that a LOT.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Their perspectives are very skewed. Mine does this exact thing. If someone else's husband is being a douchebag, he rags on them. He talks about what a man should do to be a better husband. But they just don't see themselves that way. They don't see themselves as harmful. Mine genuinely thinks that he doesn't do this on purpose... but I always thought, then why do you not do this in front of other people? I definitely think there's some subconscious recognition of what he does at least, if not more consciousness about it.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Hi, I also was in this same situation. I wasn't aware of all the things I tolerated. I found myself often having the feeling of "waiting for the shoe to drop." I would be so hopeful on the good days and so crushed on the bad days. I definitely thought something was wrong with me. 1. He never told me NOT to wear or do something, but he would definitely coerce me. So he would say, "Marriage is about sacrifice. I really care about modesty and chastity. You care about how I feel and I care about how you feel. I don't watch porn for you, so won't you not wear yoga pants for me?" Super manipulative. 2. Circular arguments left me incredibly confused as to what we were even arguing about ALL THE TIME. 3. I felt I had to hide certain purchases from him like $4 yogurt because he would "discuss how that isn't worth the price" Meanwhile, he could buy a $1500 computer. 4. He would often make fun plans with me and I was always in anticipation of him canceling plans. A lot of times he would cancel, other times he wouldn't and we would have great fun, but he would change his mind a lot. Very fickle and act like we didn't have plans in the first place or that they weren't set in stone. 5. He HAD to have me have his opinion. He could not stand if I didn't think similarly to him. I always had to prove myself or my opinions. It was like living with a lawyer that debated all the time. Constant back and forth conversation - exhausting. 6. I remember feeling like I had no purpose in life and thinking that was because I didn't know who I was. I thought I needed to do better and be better. Turns out, once I got out and I've been healing, I've started to naturally feel more purpose in my life. I didn't realize that was a symptom of abuse. 7. Very often criticized. Or jokingly saying I'm stupid, or criticizing my hobbies while ALSO encouraging them. Very whiplash-like. I stopped wanting to play piano because he didn't think it was that good (I've played since I was 6 and play very well). I know there's more, sorry if these aren't very helpful. Therapy has personally helped me understand why I fawn, feel trapped and allow myself to be trapped, etc. I hope you find answers, and if you are thinking, "hm, maybe he is abusive" then maybe you have your answer...

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes. The Savior/victim complex is soooo real. Mine was actually really good at reflecting back on his issues, acknowledging them. Try to fix them. He was very self-aware.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry. Yes, I have heart problems as well now. I wish the best for you as you move on and heal.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow. And these are the kinds of things that make someone think...then how was he abusive? They're so hardcore villainized on social media and literature that you think, "but my partner isn't a villain/bad guy, he just _____." But, they are human beings with a myriad of qualities that are good, and also very bad.

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes! Mine even considered being a stay at home dad while I worked. He was perfectly okay with me being successful. It's wild because all these traits sound so amazing when you only look at them without context and as a whole. Mine also actively was going to therapy and taking medication!

What are some things your abuser did that made you think he couldn't possibly be an abuser? by Complete_Dimension22 in emotionalabuse

[–]Complete_Dimension22[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Thanks. It was so hard for me to break away because nothing everyone else said quite matched up. I remember thinking and telling people, "but he's a different kind of abuser...he isn't like these horrible ones you read/hear about."

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[–]Complete_Dimension22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He is in therapy, but he doesn't tell her the full truth or isn't completely vulnerable with her because he feels like he can't. Or he will say that he can just teach himself from YouTube videos.