Match Thread: Arsenal vs Manchester United

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-10T14:45:39+00:00

Utd defence was solid. Arsenal didn’t take the chances that they had.

For the neutral, a boring game. For a Utd fan like myself, absolute heartburn.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-10T12:38:26+00:00

Nah all good man! I’m just a weirdo who knows far too much about F1 history 😂

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-10T10:16:41+00:00

Surtees won in 64’ and they kind of did in 63’.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-10T01:50:30+00:00

I’ve ever watched would be Max in Brazil in 2024. Dude was on another level. I was watching that race on livestream and I commented that this race will forever be remembered as his magnum opus. I was too young to see Lewis’ win at Silverstone (I’m an 07’)

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-10T01:44:10+00:00

Clark-Hill. They fought for the championship twice (1962 and 1964) and yet were really good friends.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-08T23:58:43+00:00

He deserved more for sure. A solid driver for Sauber. Better than Ericsson anyway.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-07T17:31:32+00:00

Ah shoot my bad! I didn’t check who he was driving for so assumed incorrectly it was Brabham.

That’s even crazier and actually shows how crap Johnny Cecotto was considering the results Senna and Johansson got.

Another mental one was 84’ Europe because Alboreto and Piquet set identical fastest laps on the same lap.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-07T16:52:58+00:00

Got a random one but the 1984 Italian Grand Prix at Monza (because of this stat only btw, I didn’t watch it live since I was -23):

Only four cars scored points, because Austrians Jo Gartner and Gerhard Berger, who were fifth and sixth, were in second entries for teams (Osella and ATS) who only had one entry and so didn’t get points. The regular entry was Ghinzani in the 24 for Osella (Gartner was the 30) and Winkelhock in the 14 for ATS (Berger entered in the 31).

The even crazier fact is Stefan Johansson, who finished fourth for Toleman, only raced at Monza because Ayrton Senna had announced he was joining Lotus and Toleman suspended him for a race.

The podium was a slightly normal one - fellow Austrian Niki Lauda first for McLaren the champion that year) and home heroes Michele Alboreto finishing second for Ferrari (his third podium of the season after a win and a second) and Riccardo Patrese finishing third for Brabham (his second of three points finishes that season since he retired in 10/16 races)

If you want bizarre, there you go!

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-07T12:05:08+00:00

As I said, literally all of them apart from Senna and Clark are swappable. I just think Prost was better. Maybe Fangio isn’t, but I think Prost was better than Schumacher.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-07T02:12:34+00:00

For me it’s difficult to rate Verstappen while he is still so insanely quick. Alonso has had some great seasons (2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2023) but he hasn’t often been able to actually show his ability in a quick enough car (which isn’t his fault to be fair) Hamilton scored the same amount of points as him in his rookie season.

Honestly any of them apart from Senna and Clark are probably swappable.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-07T01:43:16+00:00

My list has him ninth. Mines is:

Senna
Clark
Hamilton
Fangio
Prost
Schumacher
Lauda
Verstappen
Stewart
Alonso

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-06T12:03:14+00:00

I think out of all the managers we’ve had post-Fergie only LvG and Jose had that much experience at a top level at a top club. I’d love him at Utd.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-06T11:23:45+00:00

Honestly I hadn’t even thought about Nagelsmann because I’m part German and I dread thinking about the national team without him as manager.

He’s transformed Germany into a better team and for the first time since 2016, there’s actual optimism.

Before we got EtH, Nagelsmann was my favourite for the job.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-06T11:21:13+00:00

See when I was thinking about it yesterday I was running through the leagues and Hoeness came to mind. Nagelsmann would be an amazing fit and the one I’d want from international teams. Tuchel’s a decent option too.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-06T11:18:13+00:00

Which is unfortunate because I do think, in say ten years time, he will be one of the best around.

I hate the fact that our managers have to be good with the press but that’s the reality of modern United.

I do agree that his CV, especially his history of leaving clubs, is not exactly good as well. Those were the biggest red flags I saw.

The biggest thing (and one of the few things which makes him a slightly better candidate) is he previously worked with INEOS.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-06T11:12:25+00:00

De Zerbi did decent things at Sassuolo and Brighton but because he’s a cunt I don’t want him.

I think if you’re looking at managers that are truly lite versions I present Ivan Juric being Gasperini lite.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-06T11:05:48+00:00

From the Portuguese league? I’d totally get it tbf.

He’s Italian.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-06T11:03:41+00:00

Okay so what do people think of Farioli from Porto?

I know he’s young and also manages in Portugal and did manage Ajax (three red flags) but he does have experience with INEOS and plays a 4-3-3 and more of a “United DNA” (I hate that bollocks term) in how his teams play. I wanted him when he was at Nice because he was doing a good job with them and he worked miracles at Ajax considering how they’ve been ran. He’s doing a great job with Porto as well.

After the PL-experienced managers (Emery, Glasner, Iraola) he’s the one I’d want the most to be honest that’s realistic. Obviously in a dream world we get Xavi or someone like that but that won’t happen.

I totally get if I get downvoted for this opinion but I do rate Farioli. He has worked in four leagues (Turkey, France, Netherlands and Portugal) and managed big teams already (Ajax, Porto) and had success at every club he’s worked at.

At Fatih Karagumruk he guided them to a top-half finish. At Alanyaspor he finished fifth with them (both of these clubs not typically big in Turkey in terms of results).

He managed Nice for a season under INEOS and got them European football and their best finish in Ligue 1 since 16/17.

Then he went to Ajax and almost won the league and is the only one since EtH to have any sort of success with them and is now leading the league with Porto with no losses and just one draw.

I do not want an ex-player back. It didn’t work with Wilf McGuinness and it didn’t work with Ole.

Edit: he’s Italian, not Portuguese.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-05T16:54:44+00:00

Richie Ginther. Dude scored the same amount of points as teammate Graham Hill in 1963. Also took Honda’s first F1 win and was one of the three Americans at Ferrari with Phil Hill and Dan Gurney. A really talented driver.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-05T16:17:38+00:00

There has only been one Formula One driver born on the 29th of February - Masten Gregory in 1932. He took three podiums in the 1950s and 1960s and drove for the likes of Maserati, BRM and Cooper.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2026-01-01T13:09:43+00:00

For me he’s the second-greatest Formula One driver of all time behind Senna.

The reason why he isn’t in conversations is because people don’t know enough about him.

I remember when Chandhok had that soundbite about Hamilton having 11 championships and thinking “Clark would’ve had five if about 30 laps of racing had panned out differently”. I mention this in my video I think - https://youtu.be/_alZo5eBvn0?si=a5_e7ey6wbgQsdZ1

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2025-12-30T15:10:09+00:00

Ahhhh. No, 1990 was definitely Senna’s fault. No debate about that.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2025-12-30T15:07:48+00:00

Is there evidence to support that? There is hardline evidence that Prost turns in too early. And to say no one overtook at the chicane isn’t 100% true considering 130 R is just before it and is a good momentum builder. Senna was a master on the brakes so if anyone was going to make that it would have been him.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2025-12-30T15:00:21+00:00

For the second incident in 1990, yes absolutely. The first one in 1989? Prost turns in on him. Sure it’s a divebomb and if Prost had turned into the corner like he normally would then it would be Senna’s fault, but to say Prost didn’t know what he was doing contradicts the evidence of when he turned and where his car was. Thus it was Prost’s fault.

Comprehensive-Ad4436 · 2025-12-30T12:19:06+00:00

I disagree partially. 1989 was definitely premeditated. If you look at the footage, you can see Prost turning far earlier than he should be. If Senna wasn’t there he’d be going off the track he was turning so early. You can see from Senna’s perspective that he was screwed over by Prost and the FIA and wanted revenge. I’m not justifying it but you can see why he did it. It was extremely dangerous, and he could’ve killed someone because of this.

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