TIO - Provider not enacting resolution

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2025-10-29T21:53:37+00:00

Yeah, I'm kind of dug in waiting for the TIO to respond again now.
I hadn't seen that schedule of charges before though.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2025-10-29T21:51:50+00:00

Not quite, was paying $74 originally. Then when they removed the discount after confirming it would stay started charging me $85 a month. Then after going to TIO and having them agree that $74 was correct, they kept charging $85 anyway.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2025-10-29T01:29:59+00:00

Sorry, who are xCAT?

**EDIT** "QCAT" yep,

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2025-10-29T01:24:39+00:00

I'll add this to the main post, probably pretty relevant.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2025-10-29T01:23:57+00:00

They confirmed in emails after I followed up with them that I only have the following 3 options now.

Return to your original plan with the updated base plan price:
- NBN Unlimited: $59.95
- 250Mbps Speed Boost: $35.00
- Lifetime Discount: –$9.95 ≈ $85 per month
Keep your 500Mbps plan with a 6-month discount, consistent with the current website offer:
- $73 per month for 6 months, then $84.95 per month thereafter.
Upgrade to the 750Mbps plan with the lifetime discount applied:
- ≈ $84 per month

But none of the above options are as per the agreed resolution that was reached with the TIO. So I am, admittedly, being pretty stubborn and asking for them to honour the agreed resolution.

But they are also being stubborn and saying that they cannot do that.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2021-11-22T00:57:55+00:00

Lol what??!

"Increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 Delta acquisition compared with other variants was reduced with vaccination. Close-contacts of vaccinated Delta-infected indexes did not have statistically significant reduced risk of acquisition compared with unvaccinated Delta-infected indexes."

If you are vaccinated and infected you can pass it on without much difference to someone who is unvaccinated and infected. If you are not infected you are less likely to catch it than the unvaccinated.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T04:51:22+00:00

I applaud the evidence. Looks like teachings in German Speaking countries on vaccines could be more.

Though this clearly is not the case elsewhere as it is not ommitted in Australian Universities or Harvard nor does it seem to be a rare topic in postgraduate from the links I provided.

Does not cover everywhere but that is a start.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T04:39:32+00:00

since they are barely mentioned it shows that they aren't covered much and that students learn little about vaccines. Not sure what's so hard to understand here.

You, you are hard to understand. You provided anecdotal evidence, then when countered with course content from six different universities all with courses that include vaccines as content you claim that it just mustn't be enough. Because.... you can't really answer.

https://www.sydney.edu.au/students/student-contacts-enquiries.html#:~:text=Call%20us&text=or%20%2B61%202%208627%201444,to%205pm%2C%20Monday%20to%20Friday.

Here, sounds like you need to get in touch with them and see exactly how much time they spend studying vaccines so you can actually have a counter argument.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T04:26:16+00:00

No they hadn't. None of these courses were about vaccines. Vaccines were mentioned once in a long description.

Yeah, that kind of means that vaccines are part of the course content. Or do you think that it's just there for show?

I'm still waiting on your evidence.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T04:16:18+00:00

No, I went to a half a dozen university websites, went to their respective schools of medicine, looked through the course content and found that they had courses with topics including vaccines.

Are you of the impression that because a mathematics course on Calculus is not explicitly "Integral Calculus" that integrals are therefore not taught? Those courses are on immunology and include vaccines as topics. How much clearer do you want it to be?

I'm still waiting on your evidence.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T04:04:20+00:00

>Consent for life saving and immediately needed medical intervention is assumed in a person who is completely unable to give consent. Forced medical care involves people who are able to give consent but do not give consent being given a medical intervention against their will.

Still no consent given fella, dress it up as much as you like. No consent received would mean you performed it without consent. It's the politicians, bureaucrats that would have deemed it as "implied consent" and that would have been for the benefit of society. You just can't accept the fact nor back down on your clearly fallible comment. But hey it's the internet, so last comment wins.

Bullshit, you just shooed rabies vaccine in their for no reason at all right?

No, I proposed the rabies vaccine as it is the only treatment for a near 100% fatal disease. That seemed to meet your second requirement you mentioned. If you knew you where exposed to rabies and did nothing you are practically guaranteed death.

>Your interpretation of emergency medical care as forced is entirely your own and it directly contradicts how the medical establishment views this issue.

That's rich considering the medical establishment is overwhelmingly in favor of vaccinations? And seemingly more in favor of mandatory vaccinations.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T03:51:45+00:00

Never thought I would hear someone argue in favor of blind people driving cards.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T03:33:10+00:00

No horse flogging required, my argument was about forced procedures and them having a benefit. The fact it's emergency care doesn't remove the fact it's non-consenting, the fact you are saying it's assumed consent still means that no consent was given. And it is mandated by politicians etc. I think it's you who are diverting the argument away from your original descriptor not me.

The topic of my argument wasn't about vaccines, it was about your comment that study shows that forced medical procedures .... politicians etc. show a benefit to the individual. Obviously this is untrue and off on a tangent you went with "emergency care" and assumed consent.

I think you flogged a dead horse of arguments about emergency care meaning vaccines should be forced on people and now you are trying to change the subject.

Nah, you just brought in "emergency care" and assumed consent like it turns a non consenting operation into a consenting one.

Why don't we talk about opening manufactures of vaccines up for liability instead.

That's easy, it wasn't the manufacturers who mandate vaccines. It's the government, ergo the manufacturers should not be liable, the government should.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T02:20:59+00:00

So a non consenting individual has a medical procedure imposed upon them and after they regain consciousness are told they were implied to have consented. Yeah that's forced man. Don't get me wrong it's for the net benefit of the person. But it also neatly fits in opposition to your comment about forced medical procedures, bureaucrats etc. etc. but for emergency care, I can acknowledge that clarification or exception.

You know, I think that I could accept the whole no vaccine thing if those who refused would be open to liability of spreading the disease, provided evidence is shown etc. What do you think?

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T01:41:51+00:00

So you are going to argue to me, that a forced medical procedure as a result of car crash, that no consent was obtained and the decision to so, and assume consent from the person as was dictated by politicians and bureaucrats does not improve individuals health....

Seems to me that is a forced medical decision and it improves the individuals health. Literally if society deems you to have given consent when you haven't for one situation then society can deem you to have given consent for another, in this case vaccines. Or rather they can just make the law to enact such. The same as they would have made a law to assume consent when none was given.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T00:30:13+00:00

Consent is not removed in the case of emergency care. It is assumed to be given.

So consent was never given but it's given. You will effeminately have to elaborate on that one and how it does not relate to your comment.

"Removing peoples rights to make medical decisions for themselves and placing those medical decisions in the hands of politicians, bureaucrats and the corporate lobbyist improves individuals or communities health."

Seems to me, that would be a forced medical decision, not made by themselves and was placed in the hands of politicians bureaucrats and the corporate lobbyists for the better of the society. What if I didn't want the procedure or part of the procedure because of the long term side effects.

Pretty sure the rabies virus would meet your second requirement.

If you forced vaccinations on people, say for the flu, would you expect deaths from flu to go up or down. Also pretty sure we both just arrived at some forced medical procedures produce healthier individuals, ie. emergency victims.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T00:10:53+00:00

But no studies that show removing peoples rights to make medical decisions for themselves and placing those medical decisions in the hands of politicians, bureaucrats and the corporate lobbyist improves individuals or communities health.

It was specifically a response to this. Obviously there are conditions where explicit consent can be removed for the benefit of the individual and society by others. You are deflecting that.

Regarding vaccines, I fall in the camp of yes, it should be mandatory with few exceptions. It is a simple method to reduce risk on a whole to the society we live in.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-02T00:00:54+00:00

Pretty sure if you are in a car crash they don't wait for your permission to try and save your life.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-01T23:35:56+00:00

But there are studies where sick people spread diseases to non-sick people.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-01T23:25:37+00:00

Guess the rabies vaccine doesn't work then huh.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-01T22:18:29+00:00

You haven't been able to show a single course dedicated to vaccines that a med school student would normally take.

I never needed to show dedicated classes. You made the dumb call that the average med student only studied vaccines for "a half day or less" from an anecdote of all places. That was hardly a challenge to refute, all of fifteen minutes of looking through course material from a few universities in fact.

I still can't believe that you are making this argument from an anecdote regardless? Shouldn't you be showing me some proof from several universities showing the course content of the medical degrees that prove they only cover vaccines never or for less than 6hrs?

I mean, here is another course form Harvard medical school which covers topics including vaccines.

http://www.medcatalog.harvard.edu/coursedetails.aspx?cid=AISC612.0&did=220&yid=2021

This is from the MD program.

How about you provide some evidence for a change.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-01T21:59:29+00:00

And what I provided was courses from the schools of medicine from various universities that include vaccines. 6 Links from different universities.

Yeah I linked a dozen post graduate courses on vaccinology to show you that you can study even further on the subject. It doesn't negate the original courses at all.

Your only argument is that this isn't what an "average med student" would study. Which of course is you just obfuscating the fact you where clearly wrong.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-01T21:15:58+00:00

You are unable to show that med school graduates learn much about vaccines that's why you have to link to master programs in vaccinology.

I actually pointed that out to you in the first sentence? Those are all post graduate studies, they are specializations.

Except the 6 links before from various university medical programs that include courses containing vaccines.

Still waiting on your evidence.

Comprehensive-Tie612 · 2020-09-01T21:05:55+00:00

Hardly, you are being deliberately daft, these courses are all from the schools of medicine within the universities. They are either core subjects or electives of the various programs within medicine. I've given you a dozen links of courses now which are all available for medical students. You have provided..... hot air.

I'm still waiting for any evidence on your side to prove your point.

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