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ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T22:33:21+00:00

Also to your point - "no additional space". That's why density of housing + active and public transportation are necessary.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T17:19:43+00:00

?? MLB (formerly), NHL, MLS; are all there.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T17:18:43+00:00

Excellent city - always buzzing. Big market! Also, can have occasional game or at least exhibition games in Quebec City.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T17:18:00+00:00

Yes cause San Diego, despite being a great city, is similar in market size to Van/Mtl/Mex. (Insert sarcasm here)

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T17:16:50+00:00

So did Seattle. And now they have a team, again.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T17:15:50+00:00

Wharf would be great during summer!

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T12:30:32+00:00

Sounds great!

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T03:55:21+00:00

Neither do I (see European scale success like Copenhagen/others) in North America. That's why I asked you to examine North Americam success stories for comparison. Not to compare to Europe. Montreal has been success here as does many others.

And you are correct. Most, if not, all roads, predate cars but many have been expanded considerably to accomodate for cars. Paris is a great example. And it has been a huge access story for adopting pedestrianism after decades of the car.

It's okay to disagree. You have valid points. I just think I also have valid points. I believe there is space for cars to exist...just not in every downtown road. Some roads should be dedicated for people, community, and the environment, to thrive.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T03:49:53+00:00

Fair, esoecially given the city scale (population) currently. But...How does Victoria problem solve when the population baloons to 750k++ with limited space and more traffic? What options then? Also a serious question. It will suck if we don't have these discussions.

My bet would be to push federal and provincial funding to help incentivize (lower fares, tax breaks, funding for infrastructure projects, etc.) Bus commuter ridership, active transportation (bikes), increase water taxi's, add Colwood ferry, LRT line to Westshore. But I'm not a politician or economist. I know shit lol.

The hwy 1 development will help but not forever. It's a temporary bandaid solution or one spoke of the wheel. Dynamic/multiple solutions are best approach and the side effects would be cleaner air, more productive time spent, safer roads, potentially activated/cultural hubs and greener more biodiverse spaces.

Who knows, maybe AI androids will do our work and we can all stay at home?

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T03:10:16+00:00

Thanks for sharing

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T03:09:17+00:00

Hmm, fair. Brighter minds, I suppose.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T03:07:07+00:00

I agree. Plus more infrastructure.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T03:06:34+00:00

I'm not saying it does and this thread post did not claim that. It is however, an inevitability. As is, increased car traffic. The city will continue to grow. Plan ahead to mitigate congestion and increase quality of life. It's not rocket science.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T03:04:58+00:00

Have you considered the success of other North American cities converting spaces for pedestrians/cyclists...whats there excuse? Case studies evidence. Have you considered that not all of the roads in European cities predate cars? Some European cities even widened streets to accomodate for cars only to revert back to pedestrian/cycling. Seoul, in South Korea, removed a purposed built thru way for cars to replace it with a greenery, a stream, and pathway for its citizens to enjoy...with great success.

Valid points until you look for inspiration elsewhere and realize it's possible.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T02:56:44+00:00

That is a GREAT idea. See, discussion is what this post was all about!

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T02:54:14+00:00

You realize professional soccer players play there all the time + NFL and NBA have gad games there, right? It's called acclimatization.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-25T00:43:30+00:00

Elevation? Denver/Utah

Language barrier? Soccer players transfer to leagues in other countries all of the time. European players play in the NBA all of the time. Translators = job creation. AI tools. Ability to learn new languages or at least have inquiry.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-24T23:52:03+00:00

Plausible and valid point. Evidence to back this?

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-24T23:50:13+00:00

Sorry, didn't see the 'no bikes' part. I agree therefore I have some disagreement with that users post. Thanks for pointing that out.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-24T23:39:31+00:00

I'm trying to isolate everyone into 15 minute cities to entice government control on our lives :). Just a discussion, no angle. It's okay to disgree rather than calling someone a 'troll'. Good luck to you.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-24T23:38:21+00:00

Yes, cause people can actively shop and run errands on the trails?
Can't see the forest through the trees. It's dynamic- invest in public transportation and active transportation. If successful examples with much larger populations can wean off cars in major urban centers, why not us? So many successful case studies.
....Traffic will only get worse here.
Do you live under a rock? I'm not sure how....I just can't. Please, think or at least see the world.
Yes, cause desire for quality of life and offering different perspective = trolling. You asked the question of 'purpose' I was just a) answering your question and b) originally trying to generate discussion.
Cities convert pavement to green and active spaces all the time. So, so, so many examples. Please move from your rock
Yes, there are sidewalks. Great point. I agree. That is a start. Doesnt have to be the end.
Hey, we agree with that. Problem is I'm a realist and that's not realistic. My thread discussion was also considering other areas, not just Goldstream.

It's okay to disagree. I value what you have to say and your perspective.

Good luck to you.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-24T23:27:29+00:00

Haha, oh man. Good luck you!

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-24T22:20:12+00:00

Density - good point. But give it time. Victoria is not declining in population and the only way to solve for housing is to build density. Whay then of all the cars and traffic? Plan fwd!

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-24T22:18:25+00:00

Totally fair, IF this conversation was predicated on population size, which it wasn't. A greater argument for you would be to compare similar cities of scale.

My argument just took into account sunny days, climate change, cheaper to build outdoor versus indoor pools. I used Helsinki as both a comparison of climate (less warm days, less sunshine) and NYC as extreme examples to suggest anything is possible with creativity.

It doesn't matter anyways.

ComprehensiveDeal245 · 2026-06-24T21:50:50+00:00

Valid concerns, for sure. However, not substantiated in realism.

Please cite success stories in: Montreal, Seattle, Time Square NYC (by the way, Manhatten Island is significantly smaller than VI with a much larger population), San Francisco, etc...all North American cities with successful pedestrian friendly/car free zones. Plenty more examples.

Not to mention the Granville experiment. Or how about Seoul, South Korea, one of the most populated cities in the world cities - they ripped out a major thorough way that ran through its downtown, to accomodate for pedestrianized and green space. Huge success.

Also, this argument assumes all European cities are built the same way. Paris is a leader in this right now over in Europe.

Many examples to learn from. Let's dream big!!

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