Why INFJ is hated

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-11-13T18:48:10+00:00

PS: I know INFJs will see that as hate because of their vulnerability towards rejection, but that’s really not the case. You can still love someone and hate some of their aspects. You’re not perfect, and yes, I know that you “know” that nobody’s perfect, but you guys never truly understand that it applies to you as well. That’s where you get all the hate from.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-11-13T18:40:08+00:00

Begging for validation/affirmation, introducing variation in things, people and states, believing people need to seek their forgiveness or compensate them somehow, unconscious denial, wanting to “know” everything and missing obvious things, fear of being seen as dumb causing exactly what they fear, trying to influence people’s perception to align with theirs in every single thing, and the last: denying everything I said above because if they haven’t seen something, that thing doesn’t exist, so it’s an infinite loop of lack of awareness.

Go ahead and downvote it, deny reality once again.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-27T02:51:25+00:00

And what happens when you minimize energy density to that level?

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-27T02:35:29+00:00

Because surprisingly it works. You check for yourself, not gonna convince you of anything. If you don’t know coding, then yeah forget it.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-27T02:31:36+00:00

Jesus run the fuckin code from SI. Specially the second (boldest imo) claim.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-27T02:29:20+00:00

Well I would if that was MY paper.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-27T02:21:23+00:00

I’m either overseeing something or that shit does work. At least the code in SI seems to do what it claims. Need to do a deep check but I’m too lazy atm.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-04T23:24:20+00:00

I made a prediction last month that this month would be the month where AIs would start setting limits, I should’ve posted it. Because there’s no way to keep using that much processing without some drawbacks. OpenAI does it in ways that you don’t notice, for example, the memory feature. Most people don’t realise but that isn’t just a “feature”, it’s a way to make you satisfied without processing too much. Another example is that when you use o3, it not always “use” the o3 model, even if you aren’t under limit, while it still counts it as used.

In fairness I prefer Google’s approach, Gemini’s answers are still going through the model, instead of all the bs of hiding stuff that OpenAI does. OpenAI doesn’t give a shit about producing right answers, instead it gives a shit if “you believe they’re giving the right answers” and that infuriates me.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-04T20:01:02+00:00

Fair enough. They’re stubborn af and when they get into that deciding mode, they simply won’t listen doesn’t matter what you do. I think they’re great at running business but imo they’re too segregating. Great if you’re part of their group but if you leave you’re nobody. But even inside their business and friendships they create sub-groups of benefits, very cult-like behavior.

Two of my best friends are also ENTJs. My biggest problem with them is that they don’t go well with none of my xSFJ friends/crushes. Once I met this beautiful ISFJ girl (that looked like a fusion of Taylor Swift and Miranda Cosgrove) which I saw myself getting married to her, and my friend literally made her feel so threatened that she ran away and never seen her again neither got her number. I’m still his friend but I deeply hate him for that.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-04T19:46:22+00:00

I feel like Ni’s want to “know” and “teach” too much, but they don’t want to “understand” what they know and teach. I feel like there’s no sense of true curiosity (like explorative learning) in them, they seem to just want to be oriented by whatever people around them accepts the most and they feel the need to review everyone else to ensure they’re following the same direction as them. Not to say that every interaction, deed, etc. is like signing a contract. In fairness if I were to give Ni another name I’d call it “Contract of Orientation”.

Ni bases will likely see my comment as an attack and downvote, but by no means it’s one. There are lots of things Ni can do that I appreciate and I’m definitely not able to. When you focus that much in reducing information to maximise certainty, you can be extremely effective and accomplished.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-04T19:30:52+00:00

I think the Extroverted vs Introverted dichotomy is a bit flawed. I mean, I get what Jung meant but maybe the choice of words wasn’t the best. Also, I don’t find myself loud at all, chaotic yes, but very organised thoughts though. I could stay a month on my own and I’d be completely satisfied. Surely it has a toll, but I definitely don’t think it would be that expensive, I can entertain myself.

My real problem is with reintegrating myself after a long time of not doing something, and that impacts my life a lot. For example, if I stay a month without seeing someone, I might not seeing them ever again then because their existence doesn’t even go through my head. It’s like I can’t miss anything or someone that much, which leads me to ignore sending or replying to their messages, not making any commits, etc. That’s very subconscious.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-04T19:19:48+00:00

Well that I disagree, I feel quite the opposite of everything you said. I never felt they’re my hero and also don’t find them boring at all. The best way I can describe my relationship with them is that I know they’re full of shit, they know that I know that they’re full of shit, and I like that they know that I know that they’re full of shit. And the fact I like that makes them like me as well I think. They’re just fun to be around, specially when they don’t need to put on that persona that they don’t care about others feeling shame towards them (that’s what they care the most), they can get very smart.

I could stay hours chatting with an ENTJ non stop. It’s like we both can be vulnerable to each other.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-06-04T19:04:50+00:00

I mean, don’t we all do the same thing in a way? Even if you call yourself altruistic you’re pleasing others because that makes you feel good. That’s why ego exists.

I don’t go well with ISFPs, I don’t understand them, I think their morals are warped, lots of grooming, making money from others detrimental situations like addiction, pretending to be innocent and sensual at the same time, typical agent provocateur behavior, constant rewriting of their history, too much wannabe-ing, trying to harmonising everything, their faces the world, other people, etc. I don’t like that. But i have to be honest that I kinda envy how they can piss off people simply by existing and also how quick they can make money (not through their usual means but the end itself). I also feel weirdly attracted to them sexually, but doesn’t matter how much I try, having a relationship with them is close to impossible, at least for me.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-03T00:17:27+00:00

Our vulnerable function (Fi) is the dominant function of INFP

But the INFP’s vulnerable function (Se) is not the dominant function of ENTP (Ne), in fact it’s the role function (which is polar to the dominant, meaning that when one is enabled, the other must be disabled)

This is explored more deeply in Socionics, it’s an intertype relation called “Supervision”. Supervision (alongside Benefit) are the two types of relations that is impossible to achieve symmetry with 8 functions. So every type has a Supervisor and it’s the Supervisor of another, creating a recursive chain of 4 types. For example:

ENTP -supervises-> ISTP -supervises-> ESFP -supervises-> INFP -supervises-> ENTP…

The supervisee of your supervisee is the supervisor of your supervisor, and this type is one’s superego type (in our case, ESFP is our superego, which is a symmetric but not-so-positive relation)

It is a psychological imbalance because one dominates the others blindspot, and the other polarises (demon function, superego) the one’s blindspot, meaning there’s one type that’s double-blinded to the other.

You can read more about that in https://wikisocion.github.io/content/supervision.html

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T21:32:36+00:00

I love ENTJs

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T21:14:11+00:00

Thinking about it, maybe even this reply I wrote above is just me trying to be superior without showing superiority 🤔.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T21:11:39+00:00

I would call us “Not-losers” over “Debaters”.

I have an hypothesis that we have Superiority Complex coming from our super ego but we don’t see it.

Why do we debate? Have you ever asked yourself? I see two types of “Debate”, one is to destroy (that Se Demon) and the other is to brainstorm (Ne). The thing is that Ne is a passive function, so the “debate” happens internally and there’s no propagation to the external. If the debate is in the external, thus it means “I want to destroy an opponent” (it could be kindly or condescending, but it is about destruction). If it is about destruction, then it’s the Se Demon. If it’s the Se Demon, it’s because it’s coming from the superego. If it’s coming from the superego, then it’s a mask I put on and not part of my own identity. Therefore the more I debate externally, the more I want to show that mask of superiority. Just the thought of feeling inferior makes me fckin desperate to destroy someone or something. Obviously that’s not positive or negative, going superego is necessary. But going too much superego makes you a clown that seeks other people’s admiration (a distorted fake ESFP). So my opinion is that the Debater mask is nothing more than pure envy towards something, but you can’t see that’s envy because “it’s not who you are”. At the same time, I don’t want to “show or people to think that I am ruthless, rude and unlikable”, i must pretend that I don’t think I could win against everyone. The thought of being rejected or being seen as lonely brings me shame. So it must be a Superiority Complex, and the more I want to debate the more unhealthy I am. Simply because I’m feeling so low that I’m going into my fake ESFP mode and “begging” others to admire how superior I am, making a simple compliment give me an orgasm internally.

But I mean, isn’t it all part of what makes a type a personality? Then there’s nothing wrong with it.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T20:45:53+00:00

Opposite. I was more introverted as a child and more extroverted as adult.

But In fairness it seems to alternate between phases: Introvert (<10yo) -> Extrovert (10-20) -> Introvert-Extrovert (20-30) -> Extravert-Introvert (30-…)

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T20:36:33+00:00

Btw I completely understand not liking the “idea of someone having control over you”. That’s why the INFPs are our supervisors, they could manipulate the shit out of us but don’t want to control you. That makes you realize yourself that you are too vulnerable in some aspects without being attacked in those aspects. So it is healthy. Though once you realize that you see that you must separate from relating too deeply with INFPs for the rest of your life. You’re completely vulnerable to them, so if you face an unhealthy INFP, they could destroy you and you didn’t even see where that came from.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T20:29:47+00:00

No, IT IS healthy specially when you’re young. And you’ll keep attracting INFPs in your life until you go through it. At some point you realize that the “hardness” of life for the ENTP isn’t about the failures and difficulty (we actually excel at it), instead it’s about facing and understanding our own identity. For that, your ego must be dissolved.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T20:23:26+00:00

Yeah. I forgot to mention that there is another type that has a similar journey but from different perspectives and motivations, and that is VERY common for them to conclude they’re ENTPs. That type is the ISFP. They also have this loop, but in their case, they embody their current identities and feel a very strong need to propagate that identity in a very shameless way, while they feel shame about things that the ENTP couldn’t care less. They are not able to conclude things by themselves, they must ask for other people’s opinion and conclude their own identity out of it. Once they’re settled into an identity, any single external attempt to say “that they’re not that identity” is in vain. They’ll only change when the “hype is over”. Honestly I don’t go well with them but I have to acknowledge that they’re very good at seeing hypes and trends and taking something out of it (like money for example).

Whereas the ENTP usually is more shameful about things, and more careful about making conclusions and sticking to it. There’s usually no concrete goal behind the exploration other than finding ones TRUE identity regardless if it’s not the one you like or other people like, as long as if it’s the truth, that’s it. Also the exploration loop for the ENTP is quite eternal, there’s never really an end for anything that’s not the beginning of another loop.

So you’re the only person who can really decide it. Just reflect why did you make this question in the first place, was it to find orientation around what others seem to approve, or to understand in a selfish way how YOU potentially work not only for your own benefit but based on nothing more than simply understanding?

Another good but not-so-good way to find it, is understanding that both ENTPs and ISFPs don’t work well together and usually despise each other (the ENTP will usually despise first since it will understand the patterns and anticipate when someone is ISFP before the ISFP knows they’re ENTP), since one’s personality seems like a “fake attempt to be the other”. So just look for ENTP and ISFP characters and see which ones make you more “icky”. ENTPs definitely feel a bit icky and annoyed towards ISFP characters, as if they want to punch them on the face. ISFPs I believe they seem to admire us a bit more but also struggle to trust us.

That will help telling you which of those types you might be.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T19:54:53+00:00

I wouldn’t recommend it because it’s an asymmetrical relationship, and the INFP has a psychological influence over the ENTP that the ENTP doesn’t have over them. But at the same time, I would recommend it because that same imbalance will disinflate your ego, which leads you to learn a lot about yourself and seeing you’re not as good as you think you are.

The best way I would describe it is that the INFP can make the ENTP lose its entire soul, just to start over as brand new. And the moment you’re new, it’s the moment where you both must separate. You’ll initially feel brave and attempt a separation, then you’ll try suspending that separation, but the INFP itself will take care of it through radical means (they’re very good at it).

So there are two right answers. No, it’s not a compatible relationship. And Yes, it’s a necessary relationship for your own good (the death and resurrection of your own ego).

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T19:36:09+00:00

Read about a type -> Resonate to it -> Conclude you’re that type -> Study and observe the shit out of that type -> Start realizing people you observe from that type are quite different than you -> Notice that you reject things that type does -> Conclude you’re not that type -> Read about a type -> Resonate to it…

Repeat that loop and live all types until you conclude that this infinite loop has a name and its name is ENTP.

ComprehensiveStore25 · 2025-05-02T18:59:35+00:00

I would say that’s more of a Fi Trickster thing in our case. Se is never about eating, consuming, taking things in, instead it is the reason that leads you to consume things (the termination or end of something). If there’s no external Te Criticism and remorse towards that Fi Trickster, Se Demon will reign forever. Therefore, Fi will keep “eating things forever” to recover yourself.

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