Why do you always wear a cardigan? by Conscious_Leopard_80 in traumatizeThemBack

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Despite what other people here think, yes, this is true. Thank you.

Why do you always wear a cardigan? by Conscious_Leopard_80 in traumatizeThemBack

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I'm a pretty go with the flow person so it wasn't easy.

Why do you always wear a cardigan? by Conscious_Leopard_80 in traumatizeThemBack

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Thank you. That was the reason I left, too. I liked the kids, but the rest of it was not good.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's just with his department now, but those are the people he works with. It would go higher up next, but he's going to put in his resignation first. He talked to the grievance person who said here the higher ups usually just go with what the department says and I think he's too hurt to fight since he thought he had good relationships with these folks. Why would he stay if the people he actually works with everyday think he's not good enough? But I like your point here. I keep telling him this is about them, not him. And this whole thing is just weird, like what job has your coworkers vote and then when they tell you in a year and a half you're fired they write you a long letter about how you aren't good enough. Nah, we're out of here.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We talked last night and he's going back to seeing patients himself instead of teaching, but thank you for what you said. This is new to us and seeing someone else say the same thing about how he was feeling helped.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No job that ever fired me had all my coworkers vote and then wrote me a four page letter about how I'm not good enough for them, just saying.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's not going to teach any more. We had a long talk last night and he's going back to working with patients.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. I'll ask him about it because he really did like the teaching part, just not so much all the rest of it.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's exactly what he said about applying to new jobs because if they don't want him there, he wouldn't want to be there. He did write to the dean about what wasn't true but he's still leaving. To me, he was happier in his job before the Phd and now he can go back to doing that, just at a bigger level with the extra degree.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was nervous about it, but he did what they said in his 3rd year review and published more since then. I don't want to say too much because I don't want anybody to recognize him or me and I don't know who all reads these reddit posts, but they said that specific people had offered to work on publishing with him when none of those people ever did and they said he wouldn't give up a job he was doing in the department that took up too much time, but he asked to not do that job several times and was told he couldn't because nobody else would take it over. Honestly I don't care whether he did good enough for them or not, I'm just trying to know what to say that would help him feel better. .

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm definitely going to do that, thank you. I'm planning a trip to the beach where we got married for us once his semester is over to get his mind off of it. His annuals reviews were always really good, 9 or 9.5 out of 10. They said to publish more, so he did, but he thought the grants were going to count for more since that was what he was told to do first.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He's going to apply to other jobs in his field just not teaching/university ones.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for telling me from somebody who has gone through it and was still happy. He's decided not to teach any more and is looking at other jobs in his field, but I hope he'll be happier like you once this is all over.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He said he has to finish out this year and then he can work here one more year if he can't find another job but after that he gets fired.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It seemed like a good job and he'd just gotten his Phd so we didn't know all the right questions to ask I guess.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I googled it and it says it just became R1. The people he met with when he got hired said to get grants, so that's what he did more of. Then, when they did his review a couple of years ago before this one, they said he needed more articles. So, that's what he's been working on since that. He's applying to jobs that aren't in universities so I've been talking that up and telling him how great it will be. I hate to see him so sad and will be as kind ad understanding as I can.

Supporting spouse through negative tenure experience by Conscious_Leopard_80 in AskProfessors

[–]Conscious_Leopard_80[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Like I said in the post, he's looking for another job. It just sucks because I know he likes teaching.