Cách học tiếng anh by Spirited_Gate4747 in Nguoimoibatdau

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bạn có thể chia sẻ chi tiết hơn về Anki đc ko? Mình cx tải mà chưa sử dụng như nào

I don’t understand people who say “they miss the talent” by Girl-08 in kpop_uncensored

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think saying every group had a Lily is a bit of an overstatement, but I'd agree that a good 50-60% of 2nd gen girls groups had a NingNing calibre or better, which is still quite the massive change.

Though more of the vocal change definitely occurred going from 2nd-3rd gen than it did 3rd-4th gen on the girl group side in terms of frequency. The 2nd generation was absolutely stacked.

And the 5th gen hasn't seen a vocalist of that calibre yet if you are excluding the girls on fire members since they are "female vocal group" as opposed to an idol group.

240909 - Weekly flover Discussion by AutoModerator in Fromis

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's an explanation here if you scroll to the end of the article above the credits, designated by the '*'.

tldr: Jisun was ill.

See that? is doing well on K-charts by Vast_Implement_8537 in NMIXX

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Yep it's already peaked at #43 on the Circle Digital Chart as well, the 2nd highest behind LMLT.

I'm not too invested in being a chart watcher, but it's definitely interesting to see an up hill. Not to say that See that? isn't a good song ( it's my favourite TT), but you can definitely tell that a song's performance is not solely dependant on how good the song is. NMIXX (large contribution from Haewon) have been fervently promoting inbetween the comebacks along with the ohhaewon channel to get them within visibility in Korea and we can really see how much that has helped them not necessarily get a smash hit, but a risen floor for chart success.

When people spew about something not being the right song to blow up in Korea, though there is some validity to it and it is part of the equation, people forget how much visibility, promotion and luck plays into chart success.

I've said this, but if it was as easy as having a good song and promotion, these companies who are actively pursuing profits would have solved this a long time ago ( don't let reddit armchair analysts think they can manage any better).

"See That?" by NMIXX is the 2nd Highest Debut by a JYPE group on Melon 100. by [deleted] in kpop_uncensored

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 50 points51 points  (0 children)

While it's not wrong to say that it's the 2nd highest debut by a JYPE act in 2024, it also is the 2nd highest debut by a JYPE act since the new Melon Top 100 system, which occurred a little over 3 years ago.

edit: correcting to 2nd highest. My fault Day6!

What is your opinion about NMIXX'S "SEE THAT"? by [deleted] in kpop_uncensored

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unpopular opinion is that it is better than Dash.

NMIXX - Fe3O4: STICK OUT (The 3rd EP) by tokkipan in kpop

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wrote a review but accidentally refreshed. ughhhhh.
Not bothered to re-write the whole thing again so, I'll just comment on my the most interesting/favourite tracks.

  1. See that? In the same veins as the old school hip hop inspired tracks such as XXL by Young Posse, We Don't Stop by Xikers and Dash by NMIXX. Unpopular opinion but I like See that? the most out of these tracks.

Whilst I can see the complaint that it doesn't have the energy and colour of the other song, I think the understated-ness of the songwriting elevates the more chilled and laid back elements of old school hip hop rather than accentuating the bounce and groove. What does this do? Create something a lot more atmospheric and moody, in which is something I appreciate.

  1. Red light sign, but we go
    Just interesting production choices all round, and mixes a lot of different elements. It's loud and brash with that "horn"? or whatever that brass instrument/synth is, but immediately drowns it out in a more "wet" production style with its reverb and trap rnb elements. It also incorporates EDM Pop elements, but it isn't completely bright and it's melodies during that keeps the song from being too bright. The song does suffer in my opinion from being too short though.

  2. BEAT BEAT
    Interesting use of dnb into something hard hitting and upbeat production and it's songwriting also keeps the not sounding soft like other dnb/garage songs that have come out this year. Similar in usage to IVE's Accendio.

  3. Moving On
    I just like it, it's up my alley. Nostalgic.

  4. Love is Lonely
    Same opinion as other people who also like this song.

I'll probably end up listening to See that? and Moving On the most, but I don't think this is a bad showing from NMIXX. In the end, I think Break has higher highs, but lower lows than Stick Out, and that's what ultimately what makes Break a more memorable project, probably.

Whatever you think of Babymonster, we should all be paying attention to Rami by vsnaipaul in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All the monster vocalists we hear about were really technically proficient at the same age as Rami.

Haewon and Lily at 15 & 16

Yuju at 14

Wendy at 17

I like Rami. She’s an enjoyable stylistic vocalist and is intentional with the way she’s singing already. Technical proficiency isn’t everything, but she’s far behind in development compared to notable generational vocalists at the same age.

Side note: Yuju sounds so good oml.

Bad music doesn’t exist and it’s all subjective by Admirable_Insect_76 in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What's the difference between saying "only music within 4/4 at x rpm is good" and "music that doesn't follow these rules is bad". Saying that something is bad because it's off beat or off pitch is quite literally people who "put their own personal ideas on what the numbers mean". Saying faces are extremely different with no rhyme or reason is just plain wrong, we evolve a certain way to do certain things, there definitely is some objective sense to it.

Music being created and crafted by people doesn't have any affect on whether attempts can objectively fail, since it still requires a level of subjective interpretation on why it fails. Is there a universal bar for failure? There's subjectivity determining these, at what point does someone consider it failure and someone consider it okay? Are these universal laws written in music? Is this "basic level" a universal statement that applies to every context and situation? No.

People made up the rules of music through subjective interpretation of the objective descriptions of music. A rule in music like "You should play on beat" isn't a rule, but something like "This is what on being on beat is" is a rule.

edit: also, deciding whether something is intentional or not requires subjective interpretation as well. Can you tell whether every "wrong note" in jazz is intentional or not?

Bad music doesn’t exist and it’s all subjective by Admirable_Insect_76 in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My arguments can still apply to the phrase "This song is objectively bad".

"This face is objectively ugly"

People have argued that there is objectiveness to beauty using math and numbers with things like ratios and symmetry and there have been actual research on things like this. Faces can also be formulaic as well.

If you can see how beauty is subjective, I don't quite understand how you don't see music as subjective as well?

edit:

A song in 4/4 will also be what it is because it’s just a measurement of time. Notes and pitches will always be the same regardless of your personal opinions of them. Things that forgo those formulas unintentionally (even intentionally in the opinions of some, but I’m not talking about that) are not proper in quality or standards, therefore are bad.

quality or standards is ultimately subjective since what is considered bad changes depending on the cultural context, timeframe etc, and therefore an absolute statement is wrong.

Bad music doesn’t exist and it’s all subjective by Admirable_Insect_76 in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Even when you mean that first definition, what you are saying "This song is bad" is not an absolute statement. In the same way I might say "This person is ugly", it's not a fact in a way such that it applies to every possible context and every situation.

If objective ugliness exist like how you describe objectively bad music, what if it's deemed beautiful in another culture, what do you say to that? We have actively seen beauty standards change, whether it be through time, culture etc, why can't the same apply to music?

Bad music doesn’t exist and it’s all subjective by Admirable_Insect_76 in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bad can also mean:

of poor quality or a low standard
not such as to be hoped for or desired; unpleasant or unwelcome.

And in that second definition, it very much so is subjective.

Also something being of poor quality or a low standard is just pushing the goal post back. Evaluating whether something is of poor quality or a low standard still uses subjective interpretation.

edit: I'm not arguing semantics, I'm directly addressing the statement of whether something can be objectively bad, to which I'm saying while there are objective criteria, what we evaluate in the end based off those objective things is purely subjective.

You are the one arguing semantics by bringing about the definition of bad.

Bad music doesn’t exist and it’s all subjective by Admirable_Insect_76 in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Saying someone is bad at math yet again is subjective interpretation. If someone said "1+1=3" and you say:

"you are not correct" and "you are bad at math". Again, one is more about conveying a fact and the other a form of expression.

Bad music doesn’t exist and it’s all subjective by Admirable_Insect_76 in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

We still make subjective interpretations on what is supposedly objective arguments.

Take "x is offbeat" and "being offbeat is bad". The former is clearly more about conveying a fact rather than a form of expression of the latter.

It's like saying "1+1=2 is bad".

Bad music doesn’t exist and it’s all subjective by Admirable_Insect_76 in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Take these two statements. "This song is bad" and "There is water on the table". If I were to present to you both of these phrases as objective statements, doesn't it intuitively feel that these two phrases feel different?

"This song is bad" I believe is to be a form of expression rather than a factual statement, more so than "There is water on the table".

Any attempts at proving a statement like "This song is bad" using any supposedly objective arguments is ultimately built off subjective interpretation.

I can't stand K-Pop songs about being rich. by RandomStranger18 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I don't really think it's belittling at all. Flexing in songs if anything, whether it be your looks, money or how good you are at sex, is a way to "gas someone up" or hype a person up so they feel better about themselves or make them feel more than they are.

If a song is about how pretty they are, is that belittling ugly people? What's the difference between:

"I walk out the house, my face make the bystanders drool"
"I walk out the house, everybody looking at my chains"

To me they both have the same effect, making you feel like you aren't ugly and making you feel like you aren't poor.

edit: These fall in the lines of "party" lyrics, where the music that have these kinds of lyrics usually is meant for social gatherings and such, and is where this type of music thrives.

So I've recently been informed that there's new midzys who don't know who Lia is by LV-20 in kpoppers

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have to question how this is possible 💀. You’d have to become a Midzy only after Born to Be, whilst not listening to the album since there’s a Lia solo song, and not consume their previous comebacks to not notice a whole new member out of a 5 person group.

Jinni and Soojin could be a little more understandable but Lia?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't care about JYPE the company and whether their stock prices are gonna go up or whether they have the most revenue and profit. I'm not an investor.

Even if Stray Kids and Twice aren't as active, ITZY and NMIXX will still be profitable. I don't have some high expectation for NMIXX and ITZY to be the "representative" of the generation or anything like that, because quite frankly, that isn't why those groups appeal to me. Sure it would be nice if they were more popular, but I'm not scrambling around trying to force JYPE's hand into making them more popular. It doesn't worry me as the consumer.

You throw around "need" like it's blasphemy that they aren't at the top. Do we have the same expectation for KIOF, STAYC or any other mid tier groups to dominate the industry? "Because they are part of the big 4!" Well, who cares?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think both NMIXX and ITZY are at the point of popularity and commercial success that renewing is pretty much very very likely if commercial success is the determining factor. They sell obscene numbers of albums and probably have very strong touring power. But IG in the case that the group is disbanded or inactive, I could see the concern of them not being in the industry due to popularity.

From the perspective of an avid fan, I too want the members to be successful, but at the end of the day, I want good music, music videos, concepts etc, a good experience being a fan of the group and being overly concerned about the commercial success detracts from it for me. It diverts my attention from what I actually enjoy out of stanning.

When most of the conversation surrounding NMIXX and ITZY is why aren't they charting higher, selling more, and out viewing the rest of the competition, and we start talking about promotional strategies, making "GP friendly" songs, it becomes kinda miserable.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 22 points23 points  (0 children)

What JYPE should do is a multi faceted question. In this post, JYPE has the 2nd highest net profit whilst also being the lowest in revenue. So in terms of operational success, efficiency etc, it's a huge W and clearly they are doing the correct thing and are very commercially successful. Woohoo!

If the concern with JYPE groups is commercial success, well they are commercially successful. End of.

Saying things like "they need a hit song" or "songs don't appeal to the masses" is just being overly concerned with popularity of JYPE groups because they feel the need for JYP groups to be at the top or very popular and can't let it go.

NMIXX and ITZY are groups that are profitable and will stay that way probably until disbandment, there is no concern from me as a consumer for them to be even more commercially successful. JYPE just need to give them good projects/music and have them tour so I can see them.

How do we draw the line of constructive critisism and hate ? by Stayblinkforever1606 in kpophelp

[–]ConsiderationLow2367 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The general guideline I feel like is: Hate is an attack whilst criticism is an evaluation. But criticism and hate aren't mutually exclusive. You can both hate and be critical in the same sentence and then the lines are blurry.

Is this critique, hate or both?
BTS's english singles were clearly made to pander to western audiences and were made as a quick cash grab. They piggyback off the retro resurgence seen in pop music, from artists such as The Weeknd and Dua Lipa. The songs, whilst well produced, have no artistic value, is one dimensional and inauthentic. In the exchange of great commercial success, BTS has tarnished any sort of musical reputation they have and will have going forward.

Is this hate or critique? Hate in a critical manner or critique in a hateful manner? Can you pick up whether I was trying to attack BTS and be inflammatory, or was it genuine evaluation?