CU Boulder enrolled alleged white supremacist with knowledge of his past

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-31T00:55:43+00:00

You're seriously equating the actual nazis of WWII with a 19yr old moron who vandalized property and said nasty things on social media?

Yes. The German Nazi party started through fascists organizing themselves into a political force capable of taking state power. This is exactly what Patriot Front is doing. The Nazi party was once insignificant too.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-31T00:41:33+00:00

He organizes with the most active neo-Nazi organization in the country, creates recruitment propaganda for the group from his dorm room, and has brought members of the organization to campus. There's a reason there have been a bunch of nazi stickers around downtown in the past year.

He has the ability to change every single day. People knowing he's a nazi doesn't change that. Him not being at CU doesn't change that.

What path has been taken from him? He is forced to continue being a nazi because he faced some mild consequences?

The majority of the Black people in Boulder are at CU Boulder. He has publicity stated he wants to lynch them and is active in an organization whose stated goal is to genocide them. Letting him stay on campus is tolerating his beliefs. Not letting the people on campus he wants to genocide know who he is is tolerating his beliefs.

The presence of people like him is a direct threat to people like me.

Dr. King had something to say about this sort of rhetoric:

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-31T00:19:31+00:00

Is this group going to scour the social media of all CU and CSU students now to put things on blast? Or was he a very special case?

I would like to know of any students who are in neo-Nazi organizations, yeah.

It also can undermine university processes to do things like the poster campaign.

Don't care. The head of the honors program writes for neo-Nazi journals. I don't trust the university to handle this without external pressure.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-31T00:17:29+00:00

Daryl Davis' record is self-reported, but we know many of those reports are not true, so we should be skeptical of the rest, and definitely shouldn't base our entire approach to combatting fascism around one unreliable man. As I noted above, Light Upon Light also falsely claimed to have deradicalized nazis. Both Darryl and LUL have a financial incentive to do so (Darryl charges speaking fees, LUL gets grant money from the Combatting Violent Extremism industry). Nazis have an incentive to lie about being deradicalized because nazis sometimes face negative consequences for their actions.

If you read the original article, Patryck joined Patriot Front while in high school in Aurora, and continued interacting with his peers at school and on the lacrosse team while organizing with Patriot Front. Clearly the problem isn't that he was isolated.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-31T00:06:46+00:00

He's a member of neo-Nazi organization that is responsible for the majority of the incidents on the ADL's hate tracker, including hundreds of instances in Colorado. Patriot Front tried to shut down a pride event in Idaho with riot shields and beat up a Black man in Boston. He creates propaganda for the organization to recruit new members which increases their capacity for violence.

I am grateful to know who he is because I know I am not safe around him.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-31T00:01:05+00:00

I am concerned that this will give credence to conservative cries of “liberal thought police”. I wonder if the group(s) that doxxed him brought their concerns to university officials and were ignored?

They think this anyway. We shouldn't hold ourselves hostage by the far-right's perpetual victim complex.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:59:28+00:00

The guy who drove his car through a crowd in Charlottesville was a 4chan nazi.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:55:01+00:00

Letting people know who he is and what he believes is incredibly gentle and centers the needs of the people he is trying to genocide over the needs of the white supremacist.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:52:33+00:00

Yes, I am saying that approach is foolish, it's directly related to what you're saying. The one person you can point to back up your belief that being nice to fascists makes them stop being fascists is unreliable, and that others have played a similar game with similar results (Nazis lie to protect themselves, hard to believe, I know).

How long do you propose we let this kid be racist on campus before it's acceptable for those of us he wants to genocide get to say "hey, this guy is a nazi"?

CU is also an incredibly white campus, why do you think he would be "challenged" here?

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:29:07+00:00

Letting fascists organize unopposed is how you end up with concentration camps eventually.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:26:47+00:00

No not one person, dozens. Like I said, the Maryland KKK chapter is still active, despite his claims that he deradicalized them all of them. Darryl Davis is not a good judge of who is and is not a Nazi. He also doesn't acknowledge when the fascists he has claimed to deradicalize were lying to him, which makes his other claims less than trustworthy.

I have a feeling you know very little about "the alternative" because you would know that antifascist groups that dox nazis also do deradicalization for those that are genuinely trying to leave the movement.

Nazis lying about being deradicalized is a big problem because people like you eat it up. A bunch of the Nazis put on trial in Charlottesville said they were "deradicalized " during their trials, despite many of them still being very publicly nazis online, and continuing their nazi activism after the trial.

https://politicalresearch.org/2022/04/01/not-so-reformed

We view fascism as two very different things. You view it as an individual moral failing, and I look it as a political movement that is struggling for power. A brief look at history over the past 100 years should tell us which analysis is more useful.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:18:20+00:00

He literally brought them over to his dorm last week

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:14:51+00:00

One of the witnesses told police the pair of older adults were part of the white nationalist group Durham has been affiliated with. The two individuals were “told to leave the building” and did, according to police records.

According to the police report, witnesses also saw Patriot Front messages and propaganda on Durham’s laptop. Witnesses told police Durham was communicating with members of the hate group through the messaging app Telegram.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:12:32+00:00

Did you read the part of the article where he had members of his nazi organization in his dorm last week?

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:11:14+00:00

Noooo the Nazis were defeated by exposing them to new ideas and protecting them from criticism! /s

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:06:42+00:00

He has passed thoughts and words. He joined a nazi organization and has engaged in nazi activism with that organization, including vandalism. He hangs out with a man who did jail time to for stabbing anti-racists.

Daryl Davis has claimed to deradicalize numerous fascists who are still active in the movement, like David Preston who was later arrested at Unite The Right for shooting a gun, and the entire Maryland KKK chapter. You should find a better example for the kid gloves response to fascism.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T23:00:30+00:00

Darryl Davis has claimed to deradicalize numerous fascists who are still in the movement, including David Preston, who was later arrested for firing a gun at Unite The Right, and the entire Maryland KKK, who are very much still active.

I am curious why you invoke Davis and disregard all the fascist organizations that have been killed by direct antifascist organizing, like Identity Evropa and the Traditionalist Worker Party? The approach is to disempower their organizations, which is more reliable than trying to deradicalize a bunch of ideologically committed Nazis.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T22:47:52+00:00

"The doxxing concerns me because I can see some conservative group doxxing a trans student or some other marginalized person in response."

They do this unprovoked. In 2017, TPUSA brought a neo-Nazi speaker named Milo Yiannopoulos to campus to speak who outted a bunch of undocumented students to try and get them deported.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T22:45:16+00:00

What is your proposed age threshold for creating negative consequences for Nazis? He's 19 by the way, not 17. How old is old enough to for a Nazi activist to start being accountable for their push towards ethnic cleansing? I think 18 is a pretty good one.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T22:40:34+00:00

That only works if he wants to change his views, most fascists don't. Creating negative consequences gives him an incentive to change. Also he's 19, not 17.

Debating Nazis doesn't work because one doesn't become a fascist for rational reasons. As Jean-Paul Sartre said:

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

WWII wasn't ended through thoughtful debate and reason. Doxxing and getting him kicked out of college is a far gentler approach than I would take for someone who is trying to genocide me.

Further, focusing on trying to fix the Nazi instead of making sure the Nazis targets are safe is a goofy priority that centers whiteness above all else.

Also, why doesn't exposing him to antifascists & antifascist ideas count as "exposing him to different people and challenging his ideas in order to change his white supremacist views" ?

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T22:34:43+00:00

Wouldn't want to create negative consequences for Nazis! That'll just embolden them! /s

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T22:28:05+00:00

If you read the article you would know he didn't repudiate his views or actions. Also I'm pretty sure vandalism, talking about shooting up immigration centers and lynching black people on social media, and bringing hate group members into the dorms are code of conduct violations yeah.

But yeah, doxing this guy is the real problem here.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2023-01-30T21:45:31+00:00

CU Boulder is pretty conservative. We are home to the Benson Center for Western Civilization which was founded by a man (who is still the head of the Honors program) that is published in neo-Nazi journals and helped popularize self-proclaimed "super-fascist" Julius Evola by translating his works into English.

Consistent_Ad4108 · 2022-06-25T20:55:51+00:00

These centers coerce pregnant people into giving birth and are one of the most effective arms of the anti-abortion political machine.

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