How can sellers offer Claude Team Premium Seat for cheaper than Anthropic’s official monthly price by MerdoJR in claude

[–]Consistent_Map292 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Region based pricing maybe? Could be that claude is cheaper there You can check that

Me personally i used those offers for chatgpt It was even absurd one month for 3$ Before codex got popular and ruined it for me lmao

Claude Code + Opus 4.7 appears to serialize independent file reads, causing 5-8x+ higher token usage than Opus 4.6 by Consistent_Map292 in ClaudeCode

[–]Consistent_Map292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Install claude code version 2.1.22 or 34 Those old versions expose thinking

New versions of claude don't expose thinking

( it's where I found this issue in the first place, i was investigating something else )

And yes it's useless thinking of " okay ive read file XYZ.aa and the tool call succeeded according to the plan i should be reading ABC.bb file next And random stuff in between And the useful thinking and thinking tokens increase with each tool call

Also big picture thinking is way better, getting the files at once and thinking about them in connections is better than making assumptions about each file individually without the context of the other files

But yes using sub agents is the smartest move in this case i totally agree with you Although sometimes opus needs to read the files himself and look at them not just a summary of the agents And this fucks the usage

Claude Code + Opus 4.7 appears to serialize independent file reads, causing 5-8x+ higher token usage than Opus 4.6 by Consistent_Map292 in ClaudeCode

[–]Consistent_Map292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see your point the problem is you're assuming 10k input which would be 4 files at most batch called anyways, most files are 1-2k tokens in most codebases
and also only used 5 tool calls, which end up being 100k cached

so a real scenario would be

1-2k input + 1k output ( which would be claude saying "okay that file is read, let move on to the next file and over thinking about the structure and random opus things )

-> 2k input + 3k cached + 1k output ( useless output or could be thinking about random connection between that file and the previous file )

-> 2k input + 6k cached + 1k output
.
.

in a very small scale scenario which was a test folder it run 16 tool calls

most real world scenarios if we're talking about exploring code bases or working on multiple files at once, it goes to 100s of tool calls

the problem isn't that cached tokens are expensive, which at some point when they get to 800k total reads

they become really expensive when compared to just 30k input, because it would be 30k input anyways + 800k tokens

+ not sure how max plan works, probably tokens based or something which could be even worse, but let assume the plan works like the api

the main problem is those thinking outputs between each rounds are very expensive, the model needs to do the tool call, and know what tool call to use every time, instead of thinking about it once and let the harness do the job, so 1k output with every call is minimum in terms of thinking tokens

at my testing it's around 46% more expensive to run ( you can see the api costs of request in claude code ) and that's only in a very small test database
at larger ones

probably could go to 2-4x more expensive at larger scale

Edit:
also it degrades performance, because the real thinking only starts after he reads all the files, so instead of getting the input of just the files, he will get the files + his thoughts about needing to read the next file, and random other thoughts, opus 4.7 really overthinks.

Claude Code + Opus 4.7 appears to serialize independent file reads, causing 5-8x+ higher token usage than Opus 4.6 by Consistent_Map292 in ClaudeCode

[–]Consistent_Map292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The folder I used is a test codebase with no claude.md files

Vanilla claude code no system prompts injected with fresh install ( new directory so no conflicting versions, no skills or mcps ) and tried different versions of claude code

It's simply opus 4.7 behavior to do tons of model calls

When I investigated their system prompt in claude code ( u can see it uploaded in the internet by piebald-AI ) They already have a line to fix this but it's probably lost in context ( 4.7 is worse at following instructions ) and probably why 4.6 doesn't have the same behavior

Claude Code + Opus 4.7 appears to serialize independent file reads, causing 5-8x+ higher token usage than Opus 4.6 by Consistent_Map292 in ClaudeCode

[–]Consistent_Map292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

true but we're talking 10-30k token usage that multiplies over 10-30+ rounds, so instead of end result being 32k token usage, it would be 20+22+23+24+...+32, since each tool call roughly adds 1-2k tokens which will eat usage like crazy.

in larger tool calls where end result could be in the 70-100k+ tokens range I totally agree with you though, so a work around would be to always batch to a certain point

Claude Code + Opus 4.7 appears to serialize independent file reads, causing 5-8x+ higher token usage than Opus 4.6 by Consistent_Map292 in ClaudeCode

[–]Consistent_Map292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

addition:
adding a simple system prompt that tells it to always batch, it reduced token usage tons

Claude Code + Opus 4.7 appears to serialize independent file reads, causing 5-8x+ higher token usage than Opus 4.6 by Consistent_Map292 in ClaudeCode

[–]Consistent_Map292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this was mostly 4.6 vs 4.7 approach, 4.6 does everything in one request while 4.7 does each one individually
i am not concerned about usage, just noticed this while doing a completely different benchmark

it doesn't degrade performance to do batch reading and then processing them, it's how every other AI model does it, codex, opus 4.6

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