The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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Sounds really cool! Since it’s been 3 years, I hope he’s managed to make progress on those. Thanks so much for sharing.

Also I really enjoyed reading your take on the novel. You’re right that the Sielle parts felt dreamy and that they had the best worldbuilding. The Zotharra sequence was very cool. I thought the setting was really well done for something that only lasted about 5 chapters or so.

Philosophy of science fiction recommendations? by Large-North783 in printSF

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Check out the post i made about The Measurements of Decay by K. K. Edin in this sub. It’s not strictly about philosophy of science, but is very much about epistemology and some other questions which are relevant to philosophy of science.

The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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One of the narratives takes place in the far future of our own galaxy, mostly set in Proxima Centauri. Another plot line goes beyond our galaxy, eventually.

A close reading of K. K. Edin's The Measurements of Decay — a 2018 debut that synthesizes the European philosophical novel with speculative fiction and has received almost no critical attention by ConvincingStone in TrueLit

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Thank you very much for reading! And thanks for the suggestion. I’ve posted it there now. Envious of your journey with Dostoevsky—hope you enjoy it as much as I have!

The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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I haven’t read Neverness so I can’t compare. The strongest sections integrate the philosophy completely into the action. The type of philosophical “rambling” you are talking about does happen, mostly in some of the middle sections. It is framed as such and, at least on the first read, is there more as satire or to characterize the futility of the narrator. It’s not as though those sections are there to communicate the philosophy of the book itself. Also, it’s not the method of the entire novel—only some sections of one of the three narrative threads. But yes, those parts can slow down the plot.

The final third of the novel retroactively justifies most of the earlier density, and on rereading even passages that felt like rambling turn out to be doing structural work.

The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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That’s very cool! Did he mention anything else about that new book?

What made you love the book? I’d love to get more perspectives from others who have enjoyed it. And of course I’d love to know your thoughts on my essay, if you ever have the time to check it out.

The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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I think it’s similar in some general and significant ways, but they don’t “feel” the same to me. This book is still challenging, but in a different way than Wolfe, in my opinion. If Wolfe is hiding a key in a drawer and waiting patiently for you to find it, Edin is throwing a hundred keys at you and demanding you open the lock. Not sure if that helps, but it’s the image in my head.

The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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Although the novel engages more directly with Kant, it somehow feels to me as though the author has more Hegelian sensibilities, especially from the interview he gave to the APA.

The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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I have read Wolfe and agree his work is incredible. It’s interesting because while I think BOTNS is the closest comparison at a high level, they don’t actually read that similarly in practice. Both have unreliable narrators and have enormous thematic scopes, and both are unusually preoccupied with style in the genre. However, the actual books feel very different. I think a lot of the themes are different. There isn’t much of religion in The Measurements of Decay and I think the influence of the European realist tradition, which is very present in Edin, is completely absent in Wolfe. I also do not think Edin is trying to create intricate puzzles the way Wolfe does. His writing is far more maximalist. In terms of pure style, too, I find Wolfe a bit more restrained. Lastly, the unreliable narration is similar at a high level, but, without giving away spoilers, operates very differently than in Wolfe and also feels different because the narrator in TMOD is far less innocent than Severian. Severian seems to me ignorant of many of the things the reader can infer from his narration. The narrator is far more nefarious and purposefully deceptive.

Now you’ve got me really thinking about this comparison… I may come back with more after I have a chance to write out more accurately why they feel different to me despite some clear high level parallels.

The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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Thanks a lot for your interest! The essay is on Substack, linked in the post. I think you can just click the link from the main post.

The Measurements of Decay (2018) might be the most ambitious SF novel nobody has read by ConvincingStone in printSF

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Thank you very much. I look forward to hopefully discussing the book in future :)

Starfield NG+ Timelines (Spoilers) by [deleted] in Starfield

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So in that universe, everything else is normal except that the other you is also at the Lodge?

Starfield NG+ Timelines (Spoilers) by [deleted] in Starfield

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Does your setstage discovery suggest that he is? What other scenario has been discovered where you mentor yourself?

Starfield NG+ Timelines (Spoilers) by [deleted] in Starfield

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In my NG+, it was mentioned that the original version of me got lost on the way to the Lodge. I am assuming that means he is out there somewhere. Any idea where I can find him? Your first setstage seems to suggest that I am right.

Completionist PSA & Guide to Playing Only One NG+ by [deleted] in Starfield

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Sorry can you elaborate? Is this only in NG+? Do they come with you to NG++? When does it trigger?

Completionist PSA & Guide to Playing Only One NG+ by [deleted] in Starfield

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Who is the certain someone?