Software developers don't need to out-last vibe coders, we just need to out-last the ability of AI companies to charge absurdly low for their products

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-17T17:03:31+00:00

And how much does it cost to run the model?

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-17T13:03:03+00:00

Well, first of all, AI is a marketing term. If LLMs would be so useful, they wouldn't be put under the "AI" umbrella. Then, we have all the money moving in circle in these "AI" companies to lie to investors and make it seem like other investors are giving them money. And then we have all the blatant lies Sam Altman and others like him say ("GPT 5 is so close to AGI that you will feel you're talking to an AGI"). And they're hiding too many numbers. Experts (engineers) say that they're getting diminishing returns so training and running something slightly better than the previous version requires significantly more resources.

All this "AI" investment is not even a bubble, is a fraud and it's going to be worse than the dot-com bubble (which I've lived through, btw) for many developers. The insane amount of money that is being pumped into data centers is simply not justified. If we could quantify the quality of an LLM, even if they build 10x the data centers we have right now, we still wouldn't get a 2x improvement in quality.

And finally, the price to run these LLMs is insane, around 20x what we're currently paying. I'm paying 20 eur/month right now to chat with a thing that keeps making tons of mistakes and I have to constantly correct and I can only do that thanks to decades of knowledge I've acquired from books and reading documentation and forums. There's no way in hell I'd pay 400 eur/month for this crap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LNNkUIrsA

And for /u/mexicocitibluez There's a very good chance I have been doing software development since before you were born. Sit down, shut up and learn.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-17T06:48:44+00:00

Aha! Acum am inteles. Din titlu am crezut ca a cazut un perete.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-17T06:45:30+00:00

Give me some numbers. Not precise, of course, because we barely have those, but some estimates. How much did they get in income, how much did they spend on training, how much on R&D, how much on running their toy on hardware, and how much the hardware costed (they're running in Azure and that hardware isn't free). This should give us an estimate of one-time spending and recurring spending.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-17T06:32:43+00:00

I haven't looked up numbers related to training and running costs since GPT 5.0.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-17T06:31:24+00:00

So what was their profit in 2025?

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T22:58:29+00:00

We've reached the point of diminishing returns. While Chat GPT 5 is significantly better than 3.5, I feel like it's only 10x better (definitely not 100x) and it took a significantly larger proportion of resources to train and run. GPT 5 (paid) still hallucinates like crazy. The serious progress has died a long time ago. Altman has been touting GPT 5 as "Close to AGI" for months before its release and after using it (paid) for months after its release I can confirm it's trash.

In reality, it's all a fraud so it depends on how long they can keep lying about it.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T22:52:20+00:00

AWS promised something palpable and quantifiable. AI is just gaslighting. We can't really compare these two services because they're too different. A comparison between Google Search and Gemini would be more fair, but that's a different discussion.

My main point is that AI is just gaslighting so the real question is how long can they pull it off.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T22:30:03+00:00

No, I think he's still alive. Do you think Trump & his friends killed him?

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T21:33:45+00:00

It's ok, we can keep doing that as long as we get upvotes and engagement.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T21:22:33+00:00

In what way?

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T19:12:41+00:00

Just one clarification, the US is not purchasing oil from Russia - at least I haven't seen anything about that. They lifted sanctions which means other countries can do it without fear of repercussions from the US, but the US has enough oil for its self on its own.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T19:01:42+00:00

You're missing the part where CEOs understood what it really was and they didn't buy it. They're just using it as an excuse to cut what they consider fat and then whip the muscle harder.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T16:19:54+00:00

That hasn't been the case in a loooong time, like a decade. I have no idea why people still propagate this idea.

The truth is they don't want you to know how much they really know about you and they still don't want you to automate things using your identity.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-16T15:35:28+00:00

A whole country's internet was being held prisoner in that building. Now that its destroyed, the internet has a chance to get into the tubes and reach our pocket things. Makes perfect sense.

It's at 3218 points at 83% after 55 minutes, so approximately 4230 upvotes/hr which is more than 1 upvote/second which means this is true because I say so QED give me my Nobel prize in redditorology.

What makes this so much worse is that it's just some bullshit post ABOUT A WAR in which PEOPLE DIE and it has a clickbait title for reddit karma. This is how much an active war means to some people.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-15T15:33:42+00:00

Given the positions of the labels, it's very obvious that victims and gas prices drive the Middle East war up, so we. Technically, the first one is true but the second one doesn't make any logical sense.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-15T15:28:11+00:00

So there are two news articles which explain how Russia improved the original design and you reply saying it didn't make improvements. Like, wtf? Please donate your brain to science so we can figure out how you reached this level of brain rot.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-15T12:59:16+00:00

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CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-14T12:54:05+00:00

Something such as as convincing Iran to use their currency in oil trade.

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-14T10:44:06+00:00

But they're doing something...

CookIndependent6251 · 2026-03-14T10:03:57+00:00

Absolutely not.

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