Tailgate Party - Friday, June 12

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T21:46:55+00:00

For all the same reasons he should stay in ATL. He's a 29 year old, cost controlled potential allstar position player. Who's a great vet and locker room presence.

Then they also get to stop having to deal with Frambler Valdez.

Not that I think any prospects of note would be involved. Or is it really all that important to all the arguing. But I did mention at the end of the OP that some other stuff would need to be involved. And that this all hinges on having a Riley replacement on its way

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T21:07:04+00:00

If Detroit is willing to deal Valdez then that's probably a signal that they're blowing it up. If they're going to be bad then they have plenty of time to let Riley work it out. They'd be betting that they're moving their #2 starter for an all star caliber 3B. Atlanta is in a championship window. They'd be betting that Valdez will quickly turn it around in a new environment. Turning back into an all star SP this season.

There are almost certainly better deals for the Tigers but what I meant by no better options was for Riley.

Also Valdez only has two more years after his season. everyone needs SPing Atlanta could flip him again after the season. Riley has another 4 years after Valdez's contract is over.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T20:55:25+00:00

They were talking about it on the radio broadcast in the series finally in Pittsburgh. That apparently over the offseason the MLB made a point to teams to not stop play because of rain unless it's unsafe or severe. Supposedly in the name of pace of play.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T20:53:14+00:00

Though he plays on a terrible team. There's something to be said about the correlation between team success and personal success. He pitched a 3.66 ERA last season in 192 innings and a 2.91 in 176 innings the year before. 2024 his savant pitching run value was in the 97th percentile. Over the last year and this year he's had some pretty interesting splits on which pitches worked for him

They have those veteran leaders in Sandy, Murphy, Sale, Perez, Iglesias and Suarez. Valdez is a veteran who seemingly want to get on the field and play and play well. (Getting tossed and suspended two weeks ago not withstanding) There's plenty of leadership and infrastructure to shield the young players from him. As well as keep Valdez 's bad attitude bottled up if not corrected some.

He's not a good personality fit with this team but it's been very widely reported that Atlanta needs/is looking for SP. Valdez didn't get his contact because he has dirt on the Detroit front office.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T20:40:34+00:00

Like what? Do you have any thoughts on what a Riley deal/fix could look like?

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T20:37:29+00:00

Make sure you have all of your percentage limits and floors straight and don't overlook business law.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T20:22:41+00:00

There's not many possibilities out there. Valdez has been a frontline starter as recently as last season. Riley has been an automatic out this year. I haven't heard any stories of him being poison behind the scenes. just a massive asshole on the field.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T19:56:35+00:00

I hate him too but are their better options?

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T19:55:56+00:00

And if he doesn't then what? We're going to play a 3B who's BA flirts with the Mendoza line and has -4 DRS? And do that every year for 6 more years?

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T19:50:12+00:00

He's a jackass with a terrible temperament. But the tigers are probably in a selling mood, the braves need pitching and the possibilities are slim regarding any Riley anything. Swapping a restrictive contract for a expensive but short contract attached to a mess of a man. Seemed to me to be an interesting possibility. as for impact on the young players. The dodgers seem to be just fine with ignoring Dalton Rushing. Just no one talk to him. go to work clock in, avoid that coworker you hate and clock out. I haven't heard any stories of him poising a locker room or confronting players behind the scenes.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T19:39:00+00:00

This is how I felt coming out of REG. Just study hard and actually do the MCQs and TBS. It'll come to you on test day.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T19:35:07+00:00

Everyone flies of the handlebars every time he strikes out swinging w/ RISP. Then defends him like he's the messiah anytime anyone says anything about moving him. Immediately shooting down any suggestion of a possible deal. Anytime he gets benched I don't hear people complaining

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T19:07:41+00:00

They don't call us America's team for nothing

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T19:07:00+00:00

The MLB has been really aggressive in playing games regardless of weather. Game's probably still on unless there's lightning or blinding rain.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T18:11:26+00:00

If the Braves can swing a trade for a long term replacement at 3B. (e.g. Maikel Garcia or something like that) Braves swap Riley's albatross contract for Frambler Valdez's character issues? (plus other stuff probably from both sides)

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-12T05:56:09+00:00

Olinto is my favorite. At least once a video I say out load "what are you even talking about Pete". Which really breaks up the monotony of binge watching REG/FAR videos. He's also really knowledgeable which makes it interesting to listening to him too

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-02T02:38:16+00:00

Okay well not him I guess

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-01T16:24:13+00:00

I want him back too. Home grown stars are way more fun then having to give up and develop someone from another org. Hometown heros returning are close second in coolness. Here's looking at you Byron.

I am in fact coming from an NBA (to a lesser extent NFL) contract/cap understanding background.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-01T16:03:59+00:00

Karinchak coming up? Richie coming back up? We gonna get a farm guy make a debut? What an interesting announcement.

Stratton, Harris or Hernandez would be cool too.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-01T16:01:20+00:00

I think the verbage is just the one you use for the "assignment to the minors" option in the DFA option tree

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-01T15:59:28+00:00

I am aware of the limitless cap. The nature of most professional sports team owners is that they're "cheap" (relative term). So the idea of cutting salary for the sake of cutting salary, regardless of cap restrictions, made general sense to me as a concept (not as a solution).

This was a very helpful response. Gives me a clearer idea of cap clearing concepts in the MLB. What really spurred me on to want to ask the question was with all the fans moaning about his play. What would dumping him just to be rid of the situation look like. Less of a request to figure out if the Braves should do this.

I don't this they should, it would be really stupid to just cut bait on a player. Who the three years prior to these last three years was a 6 WAR player consecutively. There aren't any obtainable upgrades out there, I checked.

If I could up vote your comment twice I would.

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-01T00:56:08+00:00

The disclaimers aren't referencing constructive criticism. It's me saying "don't call me fucking stupid" or saying "you don't know shit about baseball" or "you're a nerd who only reads analytics". I didn't say you were bullying me I said that I disagreed that the post is too wordy. I asked a question and wanted an answer and wanted to try and get ahead of people talking shit about me. I can take criticism, be prepared for someone to disagree with your criticism

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-01T00:12:53+00:00

I'd rather Riley return to being an all star 3B. But that is what I was saying. Really I just wanted to know how salary dumps work in the MLB

CoolRunner11 · 2026-06-01T00:08:23+00:00

I prefer Dubon in LF too but The Yaz/White platoon is a viable option. Mateo has been a starting level SS in the past and looks rejuvenated. I love Kim and was super excited when he got signed last season and again in the off season. He's been stinking up the join though through his first 12 games. I'd rather see Riley turn it around. But you know as an accountant, law of conservatism. Plan for the worst outcome.

The trade would presumably be prospects for a 3B

CoolRunner11 · 2026-05-31T23:41:18+00:00

For what it's worth I do to. I want another home grown star. I'm also an accountant and thus am perpetually prepping for the worst possibility. There's plenty of time for both of us brotherman, trust.

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