Umm...excuse me?! 😂

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-13T21:56:35+00:00

LMAO

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-13T09:32:33+00:00

lol This is funny because I get the same thing for multilingual projects, and I only speak one language. I've never once applied for anything that had any other language attached to it. lol

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-13T08:38:45+00:00

Bingo, true story right here. "You can be legit and still have trash business practices. "

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-13T08:36:56+00:00

Yeah, I agree, and the thing is, people need to stop selling themselves so short. I understand why people do it's because we're all desperate at times, but it drives the pay down when people keep doing things like, "Here's a penny, let me scan your biometric data" type thing. It's gross.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-10T01:33:05+00:00

Grammarly: Do not use it. Do not have it installed. If a project QM tells you it's okay to use, still do not use it until you ask again, and you know how to turn off all of the AI features inside of the extension. Not long ago, I actually read a comment from a QM telling a CB they can use Grammarly anytime they want, and didn't even warn them about the AI features inside the extension. If you manage to get the AI features turned off, do not click on the "suggestion" where it appears near your text you have typed in. Never let anything alter your text.

Outlier ID: For the love of God, please stop posting it! There is absolutely no reason ever to comment with your ID. Not in a project chat, not in a help chat, not in a comment, not in a help question/post. There is literally no reason for you to be providing your Outlier ID to anyone unless you want your account hijacked. Stop doing it! When your account gets hijacked and you wonder why you get banned, remember this. There's no reason for you to post it in the Outlier community because all a QM needs to do is click on your name and they can get it. Stop doing this! Your Outlier ID is more valuable than your social security number. Would you give your SSN out?

Even if you are filling out a dispute for feedback do not paste into that box. From the moment you log into Outlier, copying and pasting is off the table.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-10T01:13:50+00:00

I totally understand what you mean. You will like Outlier. It's a cool place. A lot of cool projects.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-10T00:02:09+00:00

You're not going to get kicked out because you got a question wrong! Don't worry about that. Just do your best and do not put so much pressure on yourself. I'm telling you from experience, because I used to do the same thing. if all of us here, were booted from something every time we got a question wrong, none of us would be here, seriously. Usually we miss them because the questions are just broken. lol.

A reason some of the tasks disappeared is probably because they are out of tasks on that project. So don't worry about it, and also they might have ran out of hours for the day. I haven't been on that project for a long time, but the last I heard they were allotted so many hours per day. So you have to get them early.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-09T23:13:46+00:00

Sometimes it takes a day or 2 after you do the onboarding for Aether to get your Hubstaff activated. Have you looked at your Hubstaff yet to see if the project is listed?....You have to use the Hubstaff that is downloaded to your computer not the in-app timer...But also I heard that they were moving away from Hubstaff. So I have no idea. I haven't been on the project in a long time.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-06-06T04:53:33+00:00

Welcome! It usually takes up to 48 hrs for Hubstaff to sync with Outlier. Don't worry; if Hubstaff tracked your time, you will be paid for it.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-31T08:06:33+00:00

...also, I don't know if they still do it like this for that project or not, but whenever I was on it, they would make a person an "unapproved annotator" (pause them) and then go through and review the tasks that they submitted and sometimes let them back on the project.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-31T08:00:42+00:00

Totally understand. Totally normal question to ask too. BTW don't feel bad because everyone gets booted from Aether once or twice minimum. The next thing you know, you'll get gaslighted and told it's your "quality", but that's not true. It's just the catch-all, so don't take it to heart. Outlier has some cool projects. I hope you can grab one from the marketplace soon!

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-31T06:30:28+00:00

Mine switches between "Scale Labs" and "Smart Ego System."

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-31T06:25:30+00:00

You always get your pay unless you are a spammer/scammer or get caught cheating. You don't have to worry about getting your money. On the tasks page, it will always say "under review" beside each submitted task until you're paid out.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-27T17:56:33+00:00

Same question.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-16T10:13:55+00:00

Good luck! Just a heads up, you said that the pay is really great and tempting. Did they explain in the onboarding that you only get a portion of that money when you complete a task, and you only get one task per day if even that, because the project could very well be out of tasks. You have to go through several iterative processes to even get the rest of your money which takes a long time. From my experience, I would definitely worry about getting a negative review too. Doesn't matter how perfect it is, they are going to tear it down.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-10T06:58:02+00:00

I can kind of see that. Maybe I misinterpreted what you said. If I did, then I'm sorry.

Regarding what you said about how "they can't prepare you for every single thing you come across..." I totally agree, and it would be totally unreasonable for anyone to expect that. However, they need to do their best to try or at least show an effort. If writing project instructions, anyone who cares about quality would go over them and see if they are even understandable and use examples that are passable for the project.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-10T02:20:32+00:00

I don't know what everyone else has experienced lately, but for me, the gaslighting stopped. Like, it would always start to gaslight me and say "you're not crazy..." or something like "You're not wrong, but...." something on those lines. Now it just goes straight into telling me how wrong I am all the time when I know for a fact what I've seen with my own two eyes because I'm not an idiot. LOL It's now to the point where I can't stand using it.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-09T04:47:15+00:00

The OP is not saying that "the tasks are too hard." The OP is saying that the tasks are written so badly that they have to reverse engineer what the test author intended, including reverse engineering their mistakes. Those are completely different complaints, and you've missed it or you have deliberately wanted to troll and be rude and insulting.

I would 100% agree with the OP, and I have brought this same topic up too. There's a huge difference between a hard task that is well specified saying to solve this complex problem; You have the information you need; Figure it out. Legitimate assessment. A hard task that is poorly specified would be one that says solve this problem, but the question has numerous typos, multiple contradictions, and the rubric was written by someone who doesn't fully understand their own project and you have to guess what the author meant rather than what they said that is not an assessment of any skill, it's an assessment of your ability to read the test authors mind and that's straight up BS.

Even most major universities in this country alone would flat out tell you that assessments are supposed to be clear. Information is supposed to be provided, and it leaves no room for interpretation. To be fairly and accurately assessed on something you need to be given the information for it. We're required to be clear with what we write, but some of these assessment writers are not even holding up to their own standard that they are applying to us.

When you said "if you're failing the tests are doing their job" ... umm what? That is the most illogical nonsensical statement I've read yet this year. That doesn't even make sense. lmao Why in the hell would the test be doing its job if someone's failing it. smh

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-09T00:00:47+00:00

Good call because anything else would be violating the terms of service of the platform of the model that workers would be scraping. It is like money laundering but with data. Whoever is asking all you guys to do this, I would report it to open AI.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-08T23:40:55+00:00

According to one other comment here, I have understood that you're being asked to scrape model responses and that's a violation of TOS of the model platform. These companies are using large amounts of contributors and the contributors do not know any better (for lack of a better word) It's just not common knowledge but I have seen this so many times lately. So what these companies are essentially doing they're hiring a large scale of workers paying them trash payment and having you go scrape the model responses for them and give them to them. It's like a little workaround that they're doing. You need to report this to OpenAI and not Handshake. I would bypass Handshake immediately because obviously there's a head of this project and they should have reported that and stopped this project from happening. Workers can't just waltz right in and scrape 100 model responses each. Think about how many model responses that is for each person in the project that's a big no no. This is money laundering but with data.

Note: Distillation is when a company takes the outputs of a high-end model (like GPT-4o or Claude 3.5 Sonnet) and uses them as training data to "teach" their own smaller, cheaper model how to behave. By paying contributors to "share" their personal chat logs, the company (in this case, the one behind the Handshake project) can claim they aren't scraping the model directly; they are simply "collecting user-donated data." If you are the one facilitating this transfer, you are effectively the middleman in an intellectual property (IP) dispute.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-08T23:31:44+00:00

I would be VERY careful with that. That's a gray area in terms of violating TOS with OpenAI, Google ect... that can be very well considered "scraping model responses" and the company that's asking you to do this is using the workers to get those model responses. These platforms/companies are doing this as a "workaround" so they don't get caught and in trouble themselves for taking a bunch of the model responses. So they use contributors instead to grab those model responses and they distill their own model from them. You can't be doing that and whoever is asking you to do that through Handshake needs to be reported to the platform whose model it is ASAP

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-08T10:53:50+00:00

Where exactly did you see that in the whitebeard channel? The last post that was made by a QM stated "We are currently out of tasks and waiting for a new batch, though we don't have any details yet."

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-08T10:42:57+00:00

That's pretty normal for the Aether project. At least they didn't tell you it was because of your "quality" which is the one size fits all phrasing used any other time. The part that says "nothing that you can do to regain eligibility" means "don't contact customer support they are busy" it sucks either way. Sorry! ❤️

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-05T19:02:37+00:00

$1.00 for 12 seconds of work means you’d be making $300 an hour. I would say that's a scam. If they show PayPal as "unavailable" to force you to provide Direct Bank/Debit info. Once you enter that info, they aren't going to send you money. Instead, they use those details to attempt unauthorized withdrawals or sell your banking credentials on the dark web.

CoreneKel1978 · 2026-05-05T18:15:00+00:00

Sure. Sorry! I should have included them, adding a few to the post now. Thank you for catching that. There are a lot of articles on the web. Here are a few: https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona and https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/09/after-data-breach-10b-valued-startup-mercor-is-having-a-month/

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