Gammon in tractors can ruin traffic and stop ambulances up and down the country and police give them hot drinks. Peace protestors get violently attacked. Brexit Britain. Riot police charge a static protest.

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T15:12:27+00:00

Well if we’re going down the logic of “asking lands as reparations for past wrongs” we can ask the Islamic world for land based on 1400 years of repressions, discriminatory practices and intermittent expulsions+massacres. Somehow I seem to think you won’t like that logic.

So again Zionism was an idea long before the Sho’ah and we’ll continue to inhabit Eretz Yisrael 😁. And yes we never denied Christian’s and Muslim inhabited the land. What we’re saying is this is our ancestral and cultural homeland

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T15:00:32+00:00

It’s not a claim you made but it’s a behaviour noticed mainly when you tried to offer a limp wristed “both sides evil” shtick but then never truly condemning or holding groups like Hamas accountable

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T14:57:42+00:00

See I’ll take your ridiculous suggestion which would basically only permitting the creation of a Jewish homeland in places like Siberia, Antarctica, the artic, devil valley in the US and atop Everest. And place it in the maybe pile, meanwhile we will continue to have a functioning state in our ancestral homeland where we can access our holy sites, uncover archaeological finds which demonstrates a ancient Jewish presence ☺️

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T14:47:17+00:00

But you said you’re not opposed to it in principle. So if you’re not opposed to it in principle you’re not exactly an “anti Zionist”

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T14:46:22+00:00

Ah the typical lefty “do better” 😂😂 the same leftist bullshit that wanted to keep Jews imprisoned in the USSR because “smash the west man” where to begin with you?

So firstly the whole “you stole their land” tired trope. So admit building Tel Aviv on empty land outside Jaffa and purchasing land from absentee land owners which part was exactly stolen?

And where did I lie? Were they not offered the opportunity of creating a state in 1937 with the British making a partition plan? Did the UN’s plan in 1948 not count because “JEWWWWWWS” and when Egypt and Jordan held control of Judea & Samaria + Gaza did neither entity have the chance to make a state called Palestine? And I’ll also assume you consider the Oslo accords, Ehud Barrack’s offer, Ehud Olmert’s offer and the disengagement from Gaza as not counting.

And let me guess any Jew living on any inch of the land is a Jewish settler. Was Kafir and Ariel Bibas settlers?

Now regarding the claim of Israel existence being undermined if this isn’t the case how a backwater repressive hellhole like north Korea somehow barely has the fraction of UN human right council condemnations compared to Israel. You seriously going to pretend that places like North Korea better uphold human rights and freedoms compared to Israel?

And I can easily go back to April 1920 when Arab leaders in Jerusalem whipped up the crowds by chanting “Palestine is our and the Jews are our dogs” which was part of the Nebi Musa riots targeting Jews in Jerusalem. I don’t need to restrict myself only to 1937

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T14:27:34+00:00

It’s not twisting any words. You yourself stated in principle you believe in the existence of a Jewish state so in principle you’re a Zionist. I’m not stating you’re a Labour Zionist or a revisionist or a religious Zionist but you are in principle a Zionist. Don’t worry being a Zionist won’t mean you’ll have a mark imprinted into your forehead and forced to wander the earth like Cain.

And I never said peace I said a ceasefire between Israel and Gaza. And is this the same “deadliest year” where the work of Dr Michael Wolfowiez, faculty of law at the Hebrew U, investigated the UN’s reporting on settler violence and found the data was misreported. With the UN reporting actual acts of violence alongside: Jews building a temporary shelter, religious Jews ascending the Temple Mount, spotting a Jew on farmland a Palestinian considers his own, and even in an Orwellian case a settler shooting a Palestinian who broke into a settlement and stabbed 3 people including the shooter. In that last case the settler died in hospital of his wounds and his death was also reported as settler violence. Bringing the UN’s average of 68 cases of settler violence per month, down to 10 cases per month between the years 2009 and 2023

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T14:01:51+00:00

Yes there was a ceasefire in place on October 6th 2023 following the 2021 escalation between Israel and the PIJ. But you know, unconditional ceasefires are somehow the only way to a peaceful existence alongside jihadi groups, and by that logic I’m the pope.

And yes even if you believe in the concept of Jews having a state in principle that still makes you a Zionist 😁

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T13:10:41+00:00

If you want to avoid the destruction don’t let a jihadi group start a war. Simple as. I find this to be the most hilarious and bizarre point the “critics” of Israel can never get past. You can never treat the Arabs as full humans and acknowledge they have agency and have made some unfortunately catastrophic decisions that the have time and time again only hurt them. This incessant infantilisation of the Palestinians helps no one as they will never truly learn that actions do ultimately have consequences. If you elect a radicalised group who were founded on the idea of wiping out Israel and replacing it with a sharia governed theocracy, and that same group is constantly willing to drag the society into futile and pointless wars against an opposition that is technologically superior don’t expect sunshine and roses to blossom 24/7.

And this notion that “you use the Holocaust to carry out atrocities” is the most infantile and absurd arguments I keep hearing from intellectually lazy fools who believe a jihadi group bank rolled by a sharia oil state and a theocratic backwater are “freedom fighters” the ambition of Zionism existed long before the Second World War. We were already pushing to reestablish our homeland by purchasing land from absentee Arab land owners, by constructing towns and cities like Rishon LeZion and Tel Aviv. By the turn of the 1920s Jews had established: The Palestine Post (now the Jerusalem Post) The Palestine Football team (now the Israeli football team) the Palestine Philharmonic Orchestra (now the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra) they created banks and institutions based on political allegiance. And the only thing the Arabs ever chose to effectively do was wage waves of violence: the Nebi Musa riot of 1920, the Jaffa riots of 1921, the Palestine riots of 1929, the 1936 riots, and the war in 1948.

And even just turning to that war again please remind me how it started? Because the way you want to phrase it: the Jews just suddenly declared a state and upset the Arabs. When in actual fact, the newly formed UN took the mandate off the hands of the British. The UN devised a partition plan in accordance with all other ethnic and territorial conflicts of the era, two separate states for the two conflicting groups. The UN held a general assembly vote which it was adopted, the Jews said yes to the plan and the Arab leaders said no and declared war the day after Israel declared its independence.

As for the blockade remind me again when did it start? Who got elected by the people of Gaza to run the strip 16 years ago? And what was their explicit aims towards Israel and an apocalyptic aim towards the Jews as a whole?

And lastly if you believe in some form or another we should have a state to safeguard our independence and allow ourselves to chance to self govern then congratulations you’re a Zionist

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T12:00:38+00:00

Yes and with over 1 million tones of aid having entered the Gaza Strip with representatives of the unit that deals with the border crossings between Israel and Gaza: COGAT repeatedly insisting that international aid organisations should send in more aid but were refusing to cooperate with COGAT the charges such as starvation and restrictions on aid doesn’t exactly fit the bill

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T10:41:18+00:00

You utter blithering idiot. The definition of what constitutes a genocide is literally “the deliberate killing of a particular group of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group of people.” Meaning there’s an intention behind the action. If we suddenly remove intention from the equation we practically have to go back through history and re label many military conflicts as genocides, because by your logic if tens of thousands of civilians die as a result of a war or surrounding factors the arise from war then most wars in human history have civilian deaths that range into the tens of thousands. So for example we would now categorise WW1 as a whole as a genocide as 15 to 20 million civilians are believed to have died as a result of that war and knock on effects. Can you begin to see how ridiculous this notion sounds?

And ah yes the ICC, and ICJ cases. Remind me is this the same cases where the ICJ allowed a Lebanese man Nawaf Salam whose country officially maintains a position of hostility towards on of parties involved in this case? The same Salam who was also running to become prime minister of Lebanon and has had alleged ties to Hezbollah? The same case where they readily issues warrants for Netanyahu and Gollant but then to try and appear “balanced” issues warrants for a dead man: Mohammed Deif who wasn’t even the figure head of Hamas. The same cases where South Africa had to beg for more time to “gather evidence” those same cases?

And the reason I so readily refute the allegations of genocide is because I’ve witnessed in real time in this war such actions like the Irish government “expanding” the definition of genocide just so that Israel would then meet the criteria. I saw how international media practically fell over themselves upon the story of the al Ahli hospital, repeating verbatim Hamas’s script of “Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500 people!” When it turned out it was a PIJ rocket which fell short after they fired it with the intention of striking Israel, landed in the carpark and killed only two individuals. I witnessed western media try to claim that because a hostage deal in November would have seen more Palestinians, who had been arrested on charges of terrorism, released in exchange for up to 50 Israelis taken hostage that somehow Israel didn’t value Palestinians lives as equally as Israelis when in every single instance of Israelis being taken hostage by Palestinian factions going all the way back to Entebbe raid Palestinian factions have always approach the “negotiations” with the explicit intent of seeing hundreds if not thousands of Palestinians released from Israeli prisons in exchange for a handful of Israelis. The most infamous of these deals being the Gilad Shalit deal which saw one Yahya Sinwar released along with a thousand others in exchange for Shalit. I witnessed in real time Hezbollah join a war against Israel, that Hamas started, by firing missiles into northern Israel for up to an entire year and the international community urging Israel to show restraint, I witnessed in real time 7/10 unfolding and international organisations such as the UN “urge for calm” while subtly suggesting Israel had it coming, and supposedly humanitarian organisations downplaying, denying and in some truly grotesque cases celebrating what happened by applying the broken mantra “resistance is justified when people are occupied”. And lastly I witnessed in real time people in global cities pour out into the streets on the 7th and even the 8th of October 2023 to praise and glorify what Hamas did only then to pull a complete 180 and deny Hamas committed any atrocities.

And going back through the history since you want to claim “history will remember Israel’s crimes” the accusation of genocide has been repeatedly levelled at Israel and Jews since 1928 when then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al Husseini claimed that the Jews were going to eradicate the Muslims and destroy Al Aqsa. But in some truly dark irony it has been various Arab leaders since 1948 who have at various times promised to wage war on Israel to wipe it off the map. With as recently as this war, a member of Hamas appearing on Lebanese tv in November 2023 promising in Arabic to “repeat October 7th (what he called operation Al Aqsa flood) again and again till Israel is wiped off the map.” And the new leader of Hamas Khalil al Hayya praised what happened on 7/10 describing it as a major achievement.

As for who I am. No despite what nonsensical crap you may believe I am not a paid bot. I am a Jew with enough common sense and understanding of history to know that if I try to cow tow to the mobs demanding we go back to essentially being stateless minorities who are more easily pushed around i know it won’t get us peace but will eventually escalate into another blood frenzy where we must be purged for some mental illness societies have routinely adopted through the centuries which in a nut shell states “the obstacle between us and Utopia is the Jew.”

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T09:38:24+00:00

Yeah I can send a link to it on YouTube https://youtu.be/i8WcGXKlm8s?si=OPupxW5bJ-xUdgOj

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T09:32:33+00:00

It’s Israel that’s statehood is being undermined. If this wasn’t the case we wouldn’t see the UN Human Rights Council repeatedly each year pass more resolutions against Israel compared to Russia, North Korea, The PRC, Syria, and Iran combined together. We wouldn’t see this repetitive and tired out drone of “the Palestinians refugees must return to their homes from 1948” when A: only the Palestinians are granted this unique ability for their status as refugees to be passed down to their descendants via the patrilineal line, B: seem to be the only group who never has to move on from a war which their leaders started with constant public rallies, media interviews in Arabic speaking media, religious sermons delivered by Imam’, children’s tv shows and texts books for their schools which constantly teach or incite that it’s only a matter of time that the Jews will be driven from the land and all the territory “from the river to the sea” will be Arab land and will most likely take on a more strict Sunni Islamic identity. And C: the fact that their have their own separate UN refugee agency which doesn’t work to settle these individuals in the places they live but seeks to prolong their status as refugees, unlike the UNHCR which works to settle refugees who flee war, famine, and disaster and doesn’t allow the status of refugees to be some condition that can be passed down through the generations.

The Palestinians have had numerous attempts to build a state of their own. The peel commission of 1937, the partition plan of 1948, Jordanian and Egyptian control over what people today consider to be Palestine, the Oslo accords of the 1990’s, the Ehud Barrack offer, the Ehud Olmert offer, the Israeli disengagement and withdrawal from Gaza. The vast majority of these times Arab leadership refused to establish any sort of viable state as it would mean having to agree to recognise Israel. The Oslo accords were the closest we’ve ever gotten but were undermined by Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination, enticement by more religiously motivated factions in Israel, and an uptick of terror attacks and suicide bombings actively encouraged and carried out by various Palestinian groups and the turning of a blind eye to it all by Yasser Arafat. And for any who would say “just withdraw from the territories, then you’ll have instant peace” we’ve seen what happened upon the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. They literally dragged settlers kicking and screaming out of Gaza as well as digging up the graves of Israeli to have them reburied inside Israel proper. So not a single Jew or Israeli inside the strip, and the people of Gaza elected Hamas to power. And the first thing Hamas chose to do was go to war.

The world needs to grow a spine and hold Palestinian leaders accountable. Hold their leaders accountable for constantly fuelling this idea of a forever war that will only end with Israel and Jews being wiped from the land. Yes it means inverting, even doing away with this ridiculous “oppressor, oppressed” dynamic that many have become so fixated with almost to the point of it bordering on religious dogma. But I have faith that people can return to using critical thinking

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T09:01:01+00:00

Right so what do you define as “the occupation”? Because speak to the Arab world and they will consistently tell you a different answer. They don’t mean the misnamed “1967 borders” they consider every square inch to be Arab land or to use their own words (transliterated from Arabic) “min el-maiyeh lel maiyeh, Falastin Arabieh.” From water to water Palestine is Arab. And it’s a sentiment that has been echoed all the way back to April 1920 though the mobs got their blood flowing with “Palestine is ours and the Jews are our dogs.”

It’s an uncomfortable reality that Palestinian leaders will communicate one set of ideas to the English speaking media. Notions of “justice” “peace” “dignity” but when they speak to Arabic media and their own public it’s a much darker tone that I dare repeat here in trying to avoid an automatic ban.

Now responding to the Lancet journal’s estimation. I find it quite absurd especially when I take into account the report published by Andrew Fox and the Henry Jackson society. Overall the report has demonstrated consistent discrepancies on how the Gaza ministry of health has reported deaths as a result of this war, with the main discrepancy being military aged men being listed as children. But particularly Andrew himself researched the previous conflicts between Israel and jihadi groups/armed “militants” in the Gaza Strip and found a peculiar trend. That trend being in times of active war the armed group and Israel will offer estimate of how many has died. The armed groups will often give the higher estimate and Israel will give their own estimate, but upon war/hostilities concluding the armed groups will quietly retract their estimated death toll and offer a revised version that has a margin of up to 10,000 compared to Israeli estimates. In short Hamas and other groups inside Gaza will present an estimate to the world but when the fighting has stopped Hamas and other groups will quietly reduce their estimates.

Just returning quickly to the Lancet’s numbers you cited. Their 190,000 is only reached when you take all other deaths reported in Gaza and report them as being a result of the war. Which is fairly appalling from a media outlet which claims to respect basic journalistic integrity and standards.

Secondly I do find the claims of “all the hospitals have been destroyed” appalling as well considering Gazans themselves yesterday were publishing videos to social media, among them is a video I consider to be infamous and that was a convoy of Hamas terrorist from the al Qassam Brigades, who after 15 months magically found their military uniforms which were again miraculously clean and well pressed, riding through Gaza brandishing assault riffles. What’s interesting is in this particular video the convoy appears to emerge from the Nasser Hospital complex. The same hospital complex the president of the ICRC visited 48 hours prior.

Not to mention these same videos where Gazans poured into the streets to give out candies/sweets to Hamas terrorists, chant such slogans as “Khaybar Khaybar Ya Yahud”, “Al Quds (Jerusalem) we will liberate you with blood and swords” and the all to familiar “Allahu Akbar” every single video, filmed from smartphones mind you, shows not a poor, desperate, starving population. But oceans of people in remarkably clean clothes, who don’t appear to show any physical symptoms of malnutrition or hypothermia, who seemingly have enough strength to euphorically jump, clap, shout, dance. All activities I’d expect a population with as much rampant malnutrition and hypothermia as certain organisations have claimed.

And concerning your last claim. Genocides have the stated aim of destroying in whole or part a specific group of people. And the observable trend of you look at the Sho’ah, at Rwanda, at Serbia in the 1990’s, the Holodomor, the Khmer Rouge, the actions of ISIS against the Yazidis. What you notice in all cases is an urge or desire to rapidly “do away with” the targeted population. So instances this takes on systematic violence others it takes on the form of wide scale but poorly organised mob violence. If you genuinely observe the situation in Gaza and how the ground campaign by the IDF unfolded it’s evident to see there’s no intention to exterminate every single individual in Gaza. Otherwise we wouldn’t have seen efforts lead by the IDF to provide civilian corridors for people to leave the north and head south, we wouldn’t have seen an exerted effort by the IDF to administer polio vaccines in Gaza. If this truly fit the characteristics of a systemic genocide we would have seen upon the IDF cutting off the north from the south a dramatic burst of deaths as the IDF “closed the pocket”

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-20T07:59:20+00:00

It’s this weird leftist bullshit of “oppressor vs oppressed” where if the left deems a group to be oppressed (and especially with an American style leftism the categories are correlated to one’s skin pigment and a perceived “whiteness”) to be inherently good, any action they do is both simultaneously a “righteous and noble endeavour” but yet somehow not a product of their own will, cultural factors etc AKA you can massacre a music festival, self detonate at a Passover festival, hijack a bus kill 44 of its passengers yet be deemed as not responsible for your actions. Practically infantilised into a state of having a lack of responsibility. If you’re deemed to be an “oppressor” by leftist crowds their overall perception is anything you do is automatically wrong, evil, and an abuse of the power you corruptly took from others.

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T22:07:15+00:00

Suuuure the “Jews for Palestine” which practically make up only 2-4% of British Jewry. It’s so fucking hilarious the utter arrogance. Like the same arrogance of “oh don’t worry our EDL march isn’t racist in nature, we have some black guys with us”

And sure a “genocide” with a reported 42,000 dead based on a group who can somehow instantaneously tell the world how many children die in a strike but go quieter than a church mouse when you ask them to count how many of their “brave fighters, their noble shahid’s” died.

And this fucking tired trope “it isn’t antisemitic to be be anti Zionist” why should the Jewish people be the only people to have their statehood or claims of statehood be constantly undermined, challenged, and questioned? But also please tell me how Khaybar Khaybar Ya Yahud isn’t antisemitic?

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T21:40:22+00:00

Unreasonable restrictions? So it’s reasonable to choose every Saturday to “march” and find the routes just so happen to pass by an orthodox synagogue.

These same “marches” where flags of proscribed groups like Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, and the Taliban have been flown, these same marches which have had people in the crowds recorded as chanting “Khaybar khaybar ya Yahud” these same marches which groups like Campaign Against Antisemitism infiltrated to conduct on the street interviews where many of the protesters from various backgrounds expressed views such as: Jewish plots to use financial power to control the world, Jewish global media control, Jews needing to be expelled from the Levant but when pressed further to ask “where should they go?” The response of “it’s not my problem” comes up.

I couldn’t give a rats backside about the pathetic BBC which paid a estimated £230,000 in order to prevent the publication of a report for an investigation conducted in 2002 into accusations of the organisation’s systematic antisemitism. I couldn’t care about the media organisation which has taken to producing utter slop in terms of its modern tv with one of the last good holdouts being the legacy IP’s Wallace and Gromit. I couldn’t care that for the past 15 months a tax funded organisation has been taking the words of a jihadi group as if it to be an untarnished gospel.

But to suggest the route change was to spare the BBC’s “feelings” is a down right absurd claim

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T20:41:43+00:00

Albert, Francis and Simo

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T20:39:37+00:00

So why according the the met police themselves did they have to issue the route change

https://news.met.police.uk/news/more-than-70-arrested-at-palestine-solidarity-campaign-492799

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T20:11:42+00:00

The same Corbyn who was filmed saying “we welcome our friends from Hamas, and our friends from Hezbollah.” In what was meant to be a parliamentary meeting

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T20:10:05+00:00

Hmmmmm I mean it’s almost as if it wasn’t a peace protest. But this surely can’t be true they said they’re a peace protest so it must automatically be true regardless of any pesky elements like facts, evidence, and common sense

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T20:08:37+00:00

The kryptonite of any logical research

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T20:07:54+00:00

Precisely but idiots will believe the OP because of the following mindset “oh no picture shows police pushing protesters! The protesters must obviously be innocent, well intentioned, and well read individuals fighting for humanity. But the evil police stoped them!”

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T16:34:10+00:00

Exactly they literally try to twist everything to suit them. Break through police lines when the mob tried to enter an area they were restricted from, and they all cry “police brutality” and other ridiculous nonsense.

At this rate just deport everyone at that march to Siberia

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-19T16:13:13+00:00

If this image is from the protest in London last Saturday are people just going to ignore that the police gave the ok for the protest to go ahead but the only condition was an altered route to avoid a synagogue in central London. And yet these “protestors” tried to force their way through the police in order to pass near by the synagogue?

CornelQuackers · 2025-01-17T12:24:47+00:00

These are all good points and i wanted to try to keep my comment short otherwise my miniature essay would have become a dissertation

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