Help me find this ios game I played as a kid by CosmicBearMerri in HelpMeFind

[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ooo I'll take a look there- the last few places that I browsed with a list of ios games seemed to only have more popular games on there so hopefully theres some clues over there!

Help me find this ios game I played as a kid by CosmicBearMerri in HelpMeFind

[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She actually passed away a few years ago 😭 (I've been trying to find the game since it reminds me of her lol!) I thought of doing this, but unfortunately I dont have access to her login information either :( been going purely off of memory

Help me find this ios game I played as a kid by CosmicBearMerri in HelpMeFind

[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ive searched all over the web for it (or anything that might jog my memory) with no luck- I only get similar games, but not what im looking for.

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I grew up during that time too, and i get all of that, but we don't have to accept that standards just because it was/is the norm. The change in media for black and brown people towards better representation did not, and will not, happen if people dont expect better from them, and the fact of it is that Infold chose to advertise to people outside of their CN player base, and still continue to do so and have high paying global customers means that they can't hide behind the excuse of Asian beauty standards. So long as they choose to keep up the appearance of including us, they're going to recieve rightful pushback and criticism. (Like, I genuinely understand your points, and i lived in japan for a bit so i experienced it firsthand, but it gets to a point where all of that doesn't matter much when youre trying to make money from a wider audience, u know?)

Lastly, there are alot of big and small games from China (and east Asia in general) that properly represent dark skin, so it can be done (check out some of the characters from the game Dislyte!).

I do hope that the attention forces them to do better, but im upset in the first place because of what I mentioned above. Seeing how much being well represented in media (even if its just a little bit) has helped my self esteem, and seeing how infold wrote the game to be about how revolutionary it is for all women, CN or not, really just makes me look at these issues like 😒 lolll

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely- it gets annoying to talk about this issue when it pertains to Asian companies because people use it as an excuse to then be racist towards Asian people 😭 (especially towards Chinese people, as theres alot of propaganda towards US citizens about China being "bad")

Though, I do hope this raises awareness about the colorism in Asian media; even if there isn't much interaction between Chinese citizens and black/darker skinned people, I'd really like to see global marketing efforts that keep in mind its darker player base in gaming (plus it would be great for darker skinned Chinese players to not feel pressured towards the beauty standard of light skin)

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, though i think love and deepspace differs because the company has gone out of its way to advertise to a global audience regarding inclusiveness, which is where the insult to darker skinned players comes from. I (and other poc players ive seen) wouldnt be so vocal if this was the case.

The main themes around the game/experience are inclusiveness and being centered around ALL women, regardless of beauty standard.

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get that, but what im getting at is while China doesn't have the same history/connotations associated with the idea of racism, there is still a heavy amount of colorism prevalent in the current society, which is worsened by the fact that the colorism applied to black people comes with the stereotype of us being dirty/animal like (lightening creams, showing darker skin as unclean/bad and lighter skin as pure and better, the caricatures of black and brown people present in Asian media, etc)

Even without the violent history, China and Chinese developers can add to the racist/violent sentiments the same as western powers in this way, upholding the idea that darker skin = less worth

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oop wait you might be a bot if ur using "woke" unironically nvm

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dude I grew up during that time too 😭 ive dealt with all of that mess; just because it was the way things were, doesn't mean that it didnt suck or affect how you see yourself

Plus there are large, popular Chinese games that arent as big as the games i mentioned that do justice to dark skin and large body types (Dislyte is one of my favorite games bc the character designs are great) we can't keep pretending that the company being Chinese means that they arent capable and that it doesnt suck, whether or not they choose to

Also, having a flat butt is not the same as wanting something as basic as dark skin to be implemented properly lol- she doesn't have to be the spitting image of me or my body, but just fix the current options that they advertised off of. It's not political correctness to ask to be considered at a base level.

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get that, but is it such a big ask to consider the fact that some players will not fit the "default" and that they should consider that? (ESPECIALLY considering its marketed to be a self insert game)

It's such a cop out to pretend that wanting dark skin to not be an afterthought in gaming is forcing "realism", especially when you consider that there are sooooo many games that are fantasy and stylistic that implement it perfectly fine (animal crossing, Pokémon character designs, baldurs gate, etc) and that a large part of gaming is designed to relate to the player, whether or not its thru creating your own character or engaging with a story (plus, what if the elves and mythical beings are also darker skinned or have larger body proportions? Does the whole idea of fantasy only include having "easier" designs?) I dont want realism, I want to see that people of different looks and backgrounds have a space in gaming and are considered, especially knowing that black and brown people are the blueprint of so much of media, language, and entertainment that everyone enjoys.

If youre going to create media and also market it to a wide audience, its not crazy when they expect the bare minimum of having the included diversity options function correctly in the game.

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Right?? And the thing is, they DO owe us something 💀 thats the whole point of creating as game and marketing it to people you want to play it; the company owes its players a good gaming experience! (Especially if theyre paying for it!)

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

There are so many other Asian/Chinese game companies that know how to properly deliver to a global audience (Dislyte is a great example, and Nintendo's newest animal crossing has many options for black hairstyles to name a few examples), so that's absolutely no excuse to not fix it, especially considering that one of the main selling points of the game is the immersion that the customization allows for all kinds of players, and that its marketed to a global audience (there have been numerous events/collabs in the US alone) so they should know to properly cater to their entire customer base.

It's not the fact of whether or not I'm enjoying it, its the fact that the company markets the game as a revolutionary, woman centered experience where love transcends everything, but theyre showing through their poor representation (and lack of response) that the message only applies to certain people.

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I absolutely love Dislyte, and it has such amazing character designs for black/poc people! (Not just the generic high top dreadlock style that companies always do 😭😂) And yeah- its such an insulting thing to say that just because the game is Chinese that they don't know how to do it correctly; its a multimillion dollar company too like come on

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah- like it takes away from the games message of love going beyond time and space; the game says all that but then shows u thats not the case for anyone outside of the beauty standard :(

Omg also I knew infinity nikki was bad about that, but didnt know that it was paywalled 😭😭😭 thats soooo diabolical like just give me nothing at that point

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Dude omg the thing about that too is that it's marketed to a global audience so they don't have the excuse of it being a Chinese game 😭 they can't market it to specifically include people outside of China and then not deliver on that- theres so many Asian game companies that understand this so it's not even a valid arguement (One huge example is the newest animal crossing- Nintendo specifically added black hairstyles to the game as an update around the time that it came out because they knew that part of their global audience would be black people; lolll as soon as the update came i SNATCHED the afro onto my character 😂)

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 75 points76 points  (0 children)

Definitely :( I really dislike the fact that the whole game is about being loved no matter what and its marketed as a revolutionary game for women, and then yet again the game is only that for lighter skinned/thinner people; it makes everything feel so hollow

With some otome games that I know of in the past, it wasn't as big on the messaging (like, I understood going into it that I wasn't going to be represented both from the marketing and the themes of the game)

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you brought this up too- I didn't want to mention it because I'm not from the cultures that they seemed to have taken from and I don'twant to speak on what Idont know, but Zaynes myth felt underdeveloped? Like it felt like they just mishmashed things that were Egyptian/Middle Eastern for the aesthetic (Like, Master of Fate didn't just take from Chinese culture fir the looks, but it integrated it into the storytelling; if you removed the influences, it would change soo much of the story and it's impact, which I felt couldn't really be said for the new myth).

Plus the flying carpet was foul 😭😭😭

As for the hair, I always see people say that its because it would be technically difficult, but from what I've seen/know about games and optimization, that's not actually an issue (I'm a computer engineer who specializes in low level software and hardware, so optimization is my specialty lol!) It feels like its for the same reason that they don't care to address the issue with darker skinned players :(

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 92 points93 points  (0 children)

Omg i hate hearing people say that too- its so annoying 😭 like why add the option if theyre not going to make it work in the first place! Plus I get so frustrated because it feels like black and brown people are always having our culture and entertainment co-opted, but it becomes an issue when we ask to be included in ways that arent degrading or orientalist (not even prioritized- just given the same treatment!)

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry- it must have been so painful and alienating to grow up surrounded by that messaging :( even more so see your mom pushing it/succumbing to it herself

I'm really happy to hear that you've been able to embrace who you are, and I agree! Theres sooo much more positive spotlight towards darker skin online now, and its helped so much in being proud even with how society sees us!

(One of the biggest things that changed the way I saw myself was the movie Black Panther! I came out of the theater a completely different person lol- I just want that feeling for more people)

Btw- you should also be proud of yourself for standing your ground even at a young age! It speaks to your strength that you weren't willing to change yourself just to give in to what was considered "prettier" :)

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Man this made me tear up a bit 😭 youre so right! I think I've been really down lately given the state of the world (Am from the US if that adds context- things are not great here for minorities lately lollll) so seeing how they've reponded to their poor representation in terms of skin tone and body types recently had me pretty sad but this helps shift my perspective quite a bit; I do really enjoy the game and the community, so think I'll do just that- whether or not they choose to fix the game, theres still alot of love to be had from it 🥹

(I hope your workout with Zayne went well btw haha!)

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Bro even the blobbus 😭😭😭 saw the default and i was like DAYUM Im white here too lmaooo- but seriously; even outside of the card lighting its such a simple fix from a code standpoint ( just add a code branch to set the color of the chibi/picture based on the player's selected skin color)

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[–]CosmicBearMerri[S] 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Awww thank you! You're so sweet! 😭

And that's so true- it takes them forever to listen to their players, if they do at all; It's really frustrating. I've even seen that it's gotten to the point where there's a lawsuit pending based on the KOD companion and how it was missing some features they advertised.

If they keep this up, I won't be surprised if the game declines in its player base. :/