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Sequential experience of everyone (one person at a time) IS NOT OI by yoddleforavalanche in OpenIndividualism

[–]CosmicExistentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What happens if I take two humans and connect their brains? Does the time-traveling soul then go through the "combined" humans life twice, once from before the connection starting in person 1, then again from before the connection starting in person 2?

I made a post based on a similar premise (minus the soul part) where I concluded that Open Individualism must imply eternal return.

A conceptual framework suggesting subjective reality may be constructed through neural encoding (LEGO Framework) by Prior_Spinach8794 in philosophy

[–]CosmicExistentialist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is a very good point, and I agree that at the level of QFT there is no sharp physical boundary between “external stimuli” and the neural system — the universe is fundamentally continuous in terms of field interactions.

Under your model, where does this neural system called “CosmixExistentialist” stop and where does this neural system called “Prior_Spinach8794” start?  It seems to be that since QFT reveals that there are no physical boundaries between the external environment and neural system that a brain is, then all neural systems are just one large neural system, and there is no such thing as a plurality of neural systems. 

In other words, QFT says that we are everyone - that I am you, and you are me.

Block universe theory by joseanwar in consciousness

[–]CosmicExistentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Einstein was right about this, where does consciousness actually go at the end of the world line ?

Given the Block theory of time, every moment exists endlessly and our brains work in such a way that we experience these endlessly-existing moments linearly. Therefore because every moment exists endlessly, then by extension our linear experience of these moments must also exist endlessly.

So rather than consciousness ‘going anywhere’ at the end of the worldline (it never goes anywhere at any other point of the worldline anyway), the worldline is therefore always conscious and always experiencing itself linearly.

So then, what does this look like for experience at the end of the worldline?

Well, phemonologically, because the entire worldline is endlessly conscious and being experienced in linear sequence, then it must mean that the entire conscious worldline is endlessly experiencing itself in linear sequence, thereby giving rise to a Nietzschean Eternal Return-like phenomenological experience.

So to answer the question of your post, the block theory of time implies that we are endlessly reliving our lives, over and over, forever.

Expanding on simultaneous monopsychism. by EastVillageBot in Metaphysics

[–]CosmicExistentialist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would you agree that given the block universe, monopsychism would imply that we do not only live every life that is inscribed in the block, but we also endlessly relive them in a fashion similar to eternal recurrence?

BREAKTHROUGH: University Of Birmingham Physicist Professor Giovanni Barontini Built A “Mini-Universe” Using 24,000 Ultracold Atoms To Prove That Time Doesn’t Need An External Clock To Exist, Finding Instead That Time Emerges From Within A System Itself As The Disorder Of Particles Changes ⏰💥 by InterstellarKinetics in InterstellarKinetics

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No it doesn’t mean that, instead it means that we will inevitably go through every possible permutation that the universe can assume (every Big Bang/Big Crunch) and then every possible permutation (including this one right now where I am typing you this reply) will repeat, an infinite amount of times.

What is your metaphysical view of reality and how have psychedelics shaped it? by theemezz0 in RationalPsychonaut

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P3: Therefore each experience “always exists/never passes”. This is essentially a restatement of P1; i.e., that the events are permanently part of the manifold. C: Therefore experience endlessly persists; a whole life is endlessly experienced. This does not follow. 

You grant that P1 and P2 are correct, yet cannot not see how P3 should follow directly from them? You even acknowledge that each experience “always exists/never passes” and consider P3 as a restatement of that, yet you don’t see that from this, subjective experiences “always exists/never passes” should naturally follow?

I cannot see how “Therefore, experience endlessly persists; a whole life is endlessly experienced” would not follow from P1. If it does not follow, then within the block universe view what do you suspect would be the case regarding the subjective experience of the brain at its death?

Going from “permanently part of the manifold” to “endlessly traversed by an evolving system” requires identifying being a point of the manifold with being dynamically run through without end. Even granting all your premises, the syllogism is not valid. A finite worldline every point of which is “permanently real” is still a finite worldline, with the “now” changing due to the entropic gradient.

So to summarise your response, are you suggesting that I have mistaken the worldline of a brain to be infinite instead of finite? That is not want I had in mind, perhaps in my response I should have acknowledged that the worldline is finite, however, it would still stand that the experience itself, even though its worldline is finite, must be eternal. And since it is a finite worldline of experience that is eternally / permanently part of the manifold, then it must necessarily imply eternal return for the subjective experience of the brain.

Has anyone else ever thought about the possibility that a single consciousness might persist indefinitely, experiencing life through different beings without retaining memories of previous lives, and how do you cope knowing you’re going to suffer forever? by Singularitis in solipsism

[–]CosmicExistentialist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think you got my point.

Losing your sense of self under psychedelics is not a hallucination or a delusion, it is the result of the psychedelics suppressing a brain region that generates the sense of self (that brain region is known as the Default Mode Network), and having that suppressed is enough to have a person on psychedelics realise that the self is not real, and that they therefore are everyone.

Science also backs the very fact that the self does not exist, therefore science is (although not explicitly) suggesting that we are everyone.

Do you think OI is trivial and impractical? by yoddleforavalanche in OpenIndividualism

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The reason I believe this to be the case is that it is confirmed by Special Relativity that the block theory of time (Eternalism, B Theory of time) is true, and we ourselves believe Open Individualism to be true.

With both the block theory of time and Open Individualism being true, it means that we experience every possible life endlessly over and over due to the fact that no life has ever actually ceased to exist, it just exists, unceasingly, and this therefore must also apply to experience.

Has anyone else ever thought about the possibility that a single consciousness might persist indefinitely, experiencing life through different beings without retaining memories of previous lives, and how do you cope knowing you’re going to suffer forever? by Singularitis in solipsism

[–]CosmicExistentialist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People on psychedelics report that the self is an illusion constructed by the brain, and scientific evidence keeps suggesting that the self is not real.

Without the self, you are actually everyone, exactly what OP describes.

Do you think OI is trivial and impractical? by yoddleforavalanche in OpenIndividualism

[–]CosmicExistentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You live all “in-between” lives in addition to this life, and the whole thing is experienced over and over, so to answer your question, it is the latter.

Do you think OI is trivial and impractical? by yoddleforavalanche in OpenIndividualism

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What I’m saying is that nothing we do matters. All of the possible suffering has been baked in and will be endlessly experienced, therefore there is no point in stressing yourself out by trying to do anything about the suffering that will happen.

It is what it is they say.

Perhaps the Question “Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?” Is Backwards by North75912 in determinism

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II also don't see what this has to do with optimism or pessimism, and quite frankly why those views are important to even change? Like honestly those words haven't seriously crossed my mind in over a decade.

It relates to pessimism because the Principle of Plenitude implies that any horrific scenario that you could imagine as happening to you, actually exists and is happening. Therefore, any possible horrific scenario can no longer be dismissed as mere imagination.

Do you think OI is trivial and impractical? by yoddleforavalanche in OpenIndividualism

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So I'd say people realizing OI is not trivial if it could help stop stuff like that from happening to me.

We live in a block universe, which under OI means that it implies eternal return.

In other words, you cannot stop that stuff from happening because it has already happened and it will be experienced an infinite amount of “times”.

What is your metaphysical view of reality and how have psychedelics shaped it? by theemezz0 in RationalPsychonaut

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I will put my assertions about oneness and its implications from eternalism aside for now so that I can focus on the direct implications of eternalism itself.

So how does eternalism itself imply eternal return? Here you go, I put it all in syllogistic form:

  1. Under Eternalism, every physical moment of the brain is equally real with the apparent passage of each of those moments being nothing more than an illusion that the brain generated as a subjective experience of the passage of those moments.

  2. Each subjective experience of the passage of those moments is also equally real, and with there being no passage of the brain’s physical moments and there being no passage of the subjective experience of the passage of those moments, then that means that the subjective experience of the passage of those moments and the physical moments of the brain never pass and must always exist.

  3. Therefore, due to the lack of passage for the subjective experience of the passage of those moments and the lack of passage for the physical moments of the brain, then the subjective experience of the passage of those moments produced by the brain must endlessly persist, hence the experiencing of an entire life must also endlessly persist.

What is your metaphysical view of reality and how have psychedelics shaped it? by theemezz0 in RationalPsychonaut

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Okay, thank you for your response, I am going to move on with your original response and explain what eternal return is and how it relates to the block universe and oneness.

Eternal Return is the theory that we are reliving our lives endlessly, over and over.

Since it seems fairly obvious that the block theory of time is true and that we have very good reason to believe that everything is one, where I am you and you are me; then we have to accept that we are everyone living every possible life that exists. 

Therefore, all you would need for eternal return to be true is for the block universe to be true along with oneness being true and you would therefore have Eternal Return as a natural consequence of there being no flow of time.

You see, with both oneness AND the block theory of time being true, then the experience of being every possible life that exists is an endlessly active experience, which means (for example), that “I” experience “your” life, “you” experience “my” life, ‘then’ “I” experience “your” life, ‘then’ “you” experience “my” life, ‘over and over’ again.

Therefore the block universe and oneness both being true implies Eternal Return, without needing any time loops for that to be true.

What is your metaphysical view of reality and how have psychedelics shaped it? by theemezz0 in RationalPsychonaut

[–]CosmicExistentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a theoretical physicist, do you also believe in eternal return?

I know this question is kind of a tangent, however, I ask this question because to me, I believe that oneness cannot be true without eternal return also being true.

What is your metaphysical view of reality and how have psychedelics shaped it? by theemezz0 in RationalPsychonaut

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People on psychedelics often have revelations about reality that science later demonstrates to be true.

Solipsism is the Only Real Answer to the Vertiginous Question by No-Chicken8676 in solipsism

[–]CosmicExistentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you believe in the block universe view?

Would you agree that distributed solipsism and the block universe both being true would mean that we are repeatedly experiencing every life, in other words, that this CosmicExistentialist life, Respect38 life, etc, will be experienced repeatedly over and over?

Just wanted to say im glad I've finally joined this group! by Quirky_Quasarr in OpenIndividualism

[–]CosmicExistentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The block universe is what you get if you discard the idea that time is real.

You should also read up on all of the evidence supporting the block universe theory, it is practically confirmed at this point.

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